Hennigan's job on the line (or is it)?

[MagicFan4Lyfe]

Who would be your top hire?

I think a strong GM doesn't let ownership or characters like Martin have their way.

Why is that the assumption? For all we know if Hennigan stands up and says no to his bosses, he is sitting in the same chair as Sam Hinkie right now.

We all loved Rob when he was first hired. Good drafter, found Tobias in the first place, found Fournier. Then after Skiles was hired it all changed. 90% of this thread thinks Rob just forgot how to GM but there could be a likelier option IMO.

He is about to sit in the same chair as Hinkie.

I think the assumption about Martins is the question of why did Hennigan change course. Was it Martins or ownership? I think the Magic ownership have been rock stable but perhaps they were spoiled by the earlier lottery success of Shaq/Penny and later on with Dwight. Maybe this experience will allow for all of us to realize how incredibly lucky we were.

I wish RH stayed the course. Keep Tobias, Dipo, Harkless and then try to package them for something more long term and substantial. I know the Dipo trade grade is TBD depending on Ibaka but the fact we are in a tenuous position of his free agency is not the best situation.

[MagicFan4Lyfe]

I know I've been ranting about Hennigan's head. But I think its best to can Hennigan at the end of the season rather than in the middle. Getting rid of management mid-season will not turn things around and the off-season is ideal to make the change. My only concern is if Hennigan is a lame-duck GM then hopefully ownership will not approve of any lopsided or ridiculous trades (like for someone like Millsap, Gay) that will keep us in purgatory for a long time.

[ZeusIsLoose]

I know I've been ranting about Hennigan's head. But I think its best to can Hennigan at the end of the season rather than in the middle. Getting rid of management mid-season will not turn things around and the off-season is ideal to make the change. My only concern is if Hennigan is a lame-duck GM then hopefully ownership will not approve of any lopsided or ridiculous trades (like for someone like Millsap, Gay) that will keep us in purgatory for a long time.

I cant remember because I really don't follow GMs, but has there ever been a GM fired mid season? I usually hear about their firings at the end of the season

[j-ragg]

I know I've been ranting about Hennigan's head. But I think its best to can Hennigan at the end of the season rather than in the middle. Getting rid of management mid-season will not turn things around and the off-season is ideal to make the change. My only concern is if Hennigan is a lame-duck GM then hopefully ownership will not approve of any lopsided or ridiculous trades (like for someone like Millsap, Gay) that will keep us in purgatory for a long time.

Agreed. If he is fired mid season I feel like there must've been a major blowout with higher ups. If I had to pick one, we'd wait till the off season. We have enough problems as it is.

[UCFJayBird]

The only problem with keeping him mid-season is if the trade deadline is coming up and you don't trust him to make a good deal. A GM with his job on the line may be willing to take a gamble that does a lot of harm.

If you've lost faith in the guy, fire him immediately.

[Skin]

I don't like everything Hennigan has done, but I don't believe he's getting fired despite the desperate cries for it.

Magic are still young and trending in the right direction. We assembled the dream coaching staff.

The pieces don't fit? Well, we're in the middle of a rebuild, not the end.

We don't have stars? Well, that's what this season was committed to doing with Payton and Gordon. Eliminating road blocks and surrounding them with a strong supporting cast to put them in position to become stars.

What's more important? Making the 8th seed or seeing the progression of our young players?

The rebuilding process can be enjoyable if your expectations are accurately placed.

[npiper17]

I don't remember Turner being so high in the draft. His "running concerns" were the problem why he fell so low, that his agents even had him "restructure" the way he runs, or something like that.

IIRC, from our range (2015 5th pick) it was WCS, Winslow, Hezonja and Kristaps.

Yes, we did retain a coach from Vaughn's staff. His name is Jay Hernandez.

I see the Turner thing as more of a Westbrook-type move. No one had Westbrook as high as he went until very close to the draft and it was seen as a risk when OKC drafted him. I don't think the talent of Hezonja, Winslow, WCS warranted Turner being ruled out and Winslow went at 10 anyway which shows how fluid the talent was in that draft.

Re Hernandez, I knew he had been retained from Skiles' staff but had forgotten he was on Vaughn's staff as well. I guess he probably needs to be moved on or at least have Forcier take the lead role in player development.

Re Turner, IMO, if you think Henni deserves the blame for blowing the Hezonja pick, he should be blamed even more with the GIannis pick.

GIannis was a guy that the Celtics and other teams were already scouting during the midseason prior to that draft. And he was drafted in a year where anyone could have been a number 1 pick, wherein no clear cut number 1 talent. I think that draft was the more fluid one than the Hezonja draft.

I'm not ready to blame anyone for Hezonja - we still don't know if the guy can be an NBA player so too early to make a decision there. But I do feel Turner would have been a better pick and the range from 5 to 11 is, imo, not as great as the range from 1 to 4 (obviously this does depend on the individual draft to an extent).

I disagree about that draft. No one was mentioning Giannis as the first pick or even top 5. I think Rob would have been panned for taking Giannis number 2.

[Last Guardian]

I see the Turner thing as more of a Westbrook-type move. No one had Westbrook as high as he went until very close to the draft and it was seen as a risk when OKC drafted him. I don't think the talent of Hezonja, Winslow, WCS warranted Turner being ruled out and Winslow went at 10 anyway which shows how fluid the talent was in that draft.

Re Hernandez, I knew he had been retained from Skiles' staff but had forgotten he was on Vaughn's staff as well. I guess he probably needs to be moved on or at least have Forcier take the lead role in player development.

Re Turner, IMO, if you think Henni deserves the blame for blowing the Hezonja pick, he should be blamed even more with the GIannis pick.

GIannis was a guy that the Celtics and other teams were already scouting during the midseason prior to that draft. And he was drafted in a year where anyone could have been a number 1 pick, wherein no clear cut number 1 talent. I think that draft was the more fluid one than the Hezonja draft.

I'm not ready to blame anyone for Hezonja - we still don't know if the guy can be an NBA player so too early to make a decision there. But I do feel Turner would have been a better pick and the range from 5 to 11 is, imo, not as great as the range from 1 to 4 (obviously this does depend on the individual draft to an extent).

I disagree about that draft. No one was mentioning Giannis as the first pick or even top 5. I think Rob would have been panned for taking Giannis number 2.

And if he did pick Giannis, he would have traded him for some veteran talent the moment he looked like a decent NBA player