How many of you think Hennigan should be fired? (Pre-deadline Poll)

[Nemesis21]

I'd say the anti-Hennigan crowd is much more fervent than anybody defending Hennigan.

I definitely have a problem with a lot of Hennigan's moves (mainly coaching decisions and free agency signings) but it would be naive to think that any team wide failure is the cause of one person. Especially at a time where any move Hennigan made was praised by Magic fans (and General NBA fans after the initial backlash of the Dwight trade, Fournier trade, Harris/Redick trade), and his draft picks pre-Hezonja only questioned by a select few (whom usually wanted somebody else either equally or less effective).

I think looking back and bashing a move that was something you/the franchise/a majority of people supported is especially weak. That's the big issue I have with the anti-Hennigan movement, otherwise everything else people should think whatever the hell they want about it.

It's as if you don't think people should be allowed to change their minds after the introduction of new information.

Yeah, that's exactly it.

[NEM]

I'd say the anti-Hennigan crowd is much more fervent than anybody defending Hennigan.

I definitely have a problem with a lot of Hennigan's moves (mainly coaching decisions and free agency signings) but it would be naive to think that any team wide failure is the cause of one person. Especially at a time where any move Hennigan made was praised by Magic fans (and General NBA fans after the initial backlash of the Dwight trade, Fournier trade, Harris/Redick trade), and his draft picks pre-Hezonja only questioned by a select few (whom usually wanted somebody else either equally or less effective).

I think looking back and bashing a move that was something you/the franchise/a majority of people supported is especially weak. That's the big issue I have with the anti-Hennigan movement, otherwise everything else people should think whatever the hell they want about it.

It's as if you don't think people should be allowed to change their minds after the introduction of new information.

Bingo

[mhectorgato]

I'd say the anti-Hennigan crowd is much more fervent than anybody defending Hennigan.

I definitely have a problem with a lot of Hennigan's moves (mainly coaching decisions and free agency signings) but it would be naive to think that any team wide failure is the cause of one person. Especially at a time where any move Hennigan made was praised by Magic fans (and General NBA fans after the initial backlash of the Dwight trade, Fournier trade, Harris/Redick trade), and his draft picks pre-Hezonja only questioned by a select few (whom usually wanted somebody else either equally or less effective).

I think looking back and bashing a move that was something you/the franchise/a majority of people supported is especially weak. That's the big issue I have with the anti-Hennigan movement, otherwise everything else people should think whatever the hell they want about it.

It's as if you don't think people should be allowed to change their minds after the introduction of new information.

This - there was a lot of hope and promise for him. People connected with the "organic" message. People appreciated the organizations that he came from, and hoped that success would follow.

But it didn't pan out they way he/people expected.

Should they not be able to change their minds considering where the team is now?

[SOUL]

The issue isn't changing your mind. That's fine. I'm saying the ability to rationalize a move instead of completely **** on it or harping on something that was once widely accepted as a good move or a good risk (including from some people now against him, not all) is something you might just have to accept as a move that easily could've worked out if other factors came into play.

It wasn't until the Tobias move that Hennigan really started getting heat. I didn't like that move from the beginning. All I'm saying is I think the draft argument in general is weak when we bring up players that had zero chance of being selected at our spot unless we had a seer for a GM (in which case every GM should be fired for never taking a Giannis early or whatever the argument is).

As I've mentioned earlier, his real failings have been our coaching hires and our free agency hires. I think for the majority of it he had complete confidence from the rest of the front office to do his job, but certainly some of his moves were heavily influenced by Martins, DeVos or Skiles. It ultimately may lead in his demise, but I would have liked to see his complete vision without it being muddled with. Ah well.

[KingRobb02]

I'm unsurprised by the results, and I can see why the sentiment is what it is, however, there is no way we have 75+ posters on this board.

I think he drafted solidly if unspectacularly. Sure it would have been nice to have ended up with Gianis, but it would have been hard to explain why he was drafting a guy projected in the teens at 2. You can see here http://www.nbadraft.net/players/giannis-adetokoubo he was rated high, but certainly not "#2" high. Usually, they have 97+ for the top players in a draft. This is an example of 20/20 vision.

For reference, Malik Monk is a 93 and he is rated 8th in the supposedly super deep draft. So, taking a 92 high in a supposedly weak 2013 draft would have been defensible, right?

[OrlDave]

I'm unsurprised by the results, and I can see why the sentiment is what it is, however, there is no way we have 75+ posters on this board.

I think he drafted solidly if unspectacularly. Sure it would have been nice to have ended up with Gianis, but it would have been hard to explain why he was drafting a guy projected in the teens at 2. You can see here http://www.nbadraft.net/players/giannis-adetokoubo he was rated high, but certainly not "#2" high. Usually, they have 97+ for the top players in a draft. This is an example of 20/20 vision.

For reference, Malik Monk is a 93 and he is rated 8th in the supposedly super deep draft. So, taking a 92 high in a supposedly weak 2013 draft would have been defensible, right?

10 guys scored higher than Gianis going into the draft, so taking him at 6-8 you could probably defend, but 2 would have been a serious stretch. Clearly a lot of people (14 teams and 2 major draft rankings) screwed up when projecting this kid. But it's Monday morning so...

Edit: I would suggest reading the profile. There were a lot of concerns about him going into the draft. He was a hit or miss type of guy.

[KingRobb02]

I think he drafted solidly if unspectacularly. Sure it would have been nice to have ended up with Gianis, but it would have been hard to explain why he was drafting a guy projected in the teens at 2. You can see here http://www.nbadraft.net/players/giannis-adetokoubo he was rated high, but certainly not "#2" high. Usually, they have 97+ for the top players in a draft. This is an example of 20/20 vision.

For reference, Malik Monk is a 93 and he is rated 8th in the supposedly super deep draft. So, taking a 92 high in a supposedly weak 2013 draft would have been defensible, right?

10 guys scored higher than Gianis going into the draft, so taking him at 6-8 you could probably defend, but 2 would have been a serious stretch. Clearly a lot of people (14 teams and 2 major draft rankings) screwed up when projecting this kid. But it's Monday morning so...

Edit: I would suggest reading the profile. There were a lot of concerns about him going into the draft. He was a hit or miss type of guy.

I get what you're saying, but I kind of look at it like I look at kawhi. There were holes in his game that people questioned, he went into draft night 7th on the big board and kept sliding until a smart team moved up and snatched him. Now he's the best player in the NBA.

Does that mean it would have been better to take him over Derrick Williams? Yeah. But like you said. Monday morning.

[PennytoShaq]

Ok, so Rob drafts a guy with high athleticism who can't shoot and was a leader on an NCAA tournament team at pick 4, and takes heat for it.

But when he doesn't draft an athletic international player who can't shoot at pick 2, he is a bad GM.

Additionally, people are already complaining that he may draft an athletic player with a weak shot in Josh Jackson and are already complaining about that. Those same people will definitely complain if Jackson becomes a star and we DON'T draft him.

Have to love the internet.

[NEM]

Ok, so Rob drafts a guy with high athleticism who can't shoot and was a leader on an NCAA tournament team at pick 4, and takes heat for it.

But when he doesn't draft an athletic international player who can't shoot at pick 2, he is a bad GM.

Additionally, people are already complaining that he may draft an athletic player with a weak shot in Josh Jackson and are already complaining about that. Those same people will definitely complain if Jackson becomes a star and we DON'T draft him.

Have to love the internet.

I actually think Oladipo was ok. I knew McCollum had potential but I didn't think he'd be doing what he's doing now. No one saw giannis so can't really blame Hennigan. I do think Gordon was the wrong pick. Should have gone with Randle since we needed a 4. Also, Mario was a terrible pick. Didn't like it then and sure as hell don't like it now. We needed a big so I liked kaminsky, wcs, and Turner. Any of those would have been a better pick IMO.

As far as josh Jackson goes, I think he can be a jimmy butler type. His shot isn't broken, he just has to get reps. I think he will be fine. Also, players can play without a jumper. They just have to be in constant attack mode (see giannis).

[OrlandoHouston]

My main problem with Hennigan's drafting is that he drafted guys with overlapping skillets. Oladipo, Payton, & Gordon were all looked at as athletic, high-character, defense-first guys who couldn't shoot (thats an oversimplification, but the similarities are def there), so how were they ever expected to play together? Like, you need a diversification of skill-sets to win..... I guess he was just going for the Best Player Available and decided to worry about he fit later but, he obviously failed to land the best players (not to mention that drafting 3 non-shooters in the most shooting-dependent era of basketball might not be the best strategy).

[Nemesis21]

Ok, so Rob drafts a guy with high athleticism who can't shoot and was a leader on an NCAA tournament team at pick 4, and takes heat for it.

But when he doesn't draft an athletic international player who can't shoot at pick 2, he is a bad GM.

Additionally, people are already complaining that he may draft an athletic player with a weak shot in Josh Jackson and are already complaining about that. Those same people will definitely complain if Jackson becomes a star and we DON'T draft him.

Have to love the internet.

I actually think Oladipo was ok. I knew McCollum had potential but I didn't think he'd be doing what he's doing now. No one saw giannis so can't really blame Hennigan. I do think Gordon was the wrong pick. Should have gone with Randle since we needed a 4. Also, Mario was a terrible pick. Didn't like it then and sure as hell don't like it now. We needed a big so I liked kaminsky, wcs, and Turner. Any of those would have been a better pick IMO.

As far as josh Jackson goes, I think he can be a jimmy butler type. His shot isn't broken, he just has to get reps. I think he will be fine. Also, players can play without a jumper. They just have to be in constant attack mode (see giannis).

As much as you bash Rob, this is f***ing hilarious. Those two are a worse pick then Mario. Rob wanted KP, but the Knicks took him one spot ahead of us. Turner should have been the pick. Kaminsky and WCS

[bargnanimvp]

I don't necassarily like Hennigan but to be fair to him he has a decent draft track record. Everyone wants a superstar pick but if you look at the picks we've had and don't use revisionist history to bring up guys taken 10 picks lower that turned out good he took the best or close to the best players available at the spots he had. We got unlucky with ping pong balls and kept being 1-2 picks behind the franchise level stars. It's not as if he's taken dud players while passing on guys who mocks predict would go where he was picking who were stars. The guys he has passed on who've ended up being stars were taken further back than our picks and passed on by a bunch of other teams too.

i think he did a decent job of amassing the best talent he realisitically could through the draft barring any visions of the future or shock picks of players higher than predicted. My issues with Hennigan are that once he amassed this young talent he was let guys walk or traded them in small deals for 1 player he likes instead of having a plan for a few years out and making big splash trades. We went from being listed as being one of the teams with the best crop of young talent to having barely anything left because we sat around for ~3 seasons with a squad that had talent but clearly had holes in it doing nothing instead of looking ahead and trying to fix these issues before those player would be expiring or lower in value. We had issues with fit years ago, every analyst talked about, all fans talked about it, but we stuck with it too long losing and then waited until the last minute to trade guys while they were lower in value and we let second tier assets walk for nothing/trade for nothing that would have been nice to bundle with those better options.

Hennigan got us a decent stable of talent but didn't know how to build a plan to turn that talent in to a well rounded NBA roster, you can't have guys who all have the same flaws you need others who cover those flaws or who are just well rounded vets. It's no wonder players can leave orlando and look better and more useful on new teams because those teams have complimentary players who help cover defficiencies.

[NEM]

Ok, so Rob drafts a guy with high athleticism who can't shoot and was a leader on an NCAA tournament team at pick 4, and takes heat for it.

But when he doesn't draft an athletic international player who can't shoot at pick 2, he is a bad GM.

Additionally, people are already complaining that he may draft an athletic player with a weak shot in Josh Jackson and are already complaining about that. Those same people will definitely complain if Jackson becomes a star and we DON'T draft him.

Have to love the internet.

I actually think Oladipo was ok. I knew McCollum had potential but I didn't think he'd be doing what he's doing now. No one saw giannis so can't really blame Hennigan. I do think Gordon was the wrong pick. Should have gone with Randle since we needed a 4. Also, Mario was a terrible pick. Didn't like it then and sure as hell don't like it now. We needed a big so I liked kaminsky, wcs, and Turner. Any of those would have been a better pick IMO.

As far as josh Jackson goes, I think he can be a jimmy butler type. His shot isn't broken, he just has to get reps. I think he will be fine. Also, players can play without a jumper. They just have to be in constant attack mode (see giannis).

As much as you bash Rob, this is f***ing hilarious. Those two are a worse pick then Mario. Rob wanted KP, but the Knicks took him one spot ahead of us. Turner should have been the pick. Kaminsky and WCS

Kaminsky is averaging 11/5/2 and playing 25 MPG on a team better than the Magic.

WCS provided rim protection which we severely lacked and is also about to get his chance to prove himself as the starter in Sacramento with Cousins gone.

Hezonja can't get a crack at the rotation over guys like CJ Watson and Jeff Green.

Not saying he won't eventually end up the better player (I don't think he will, but it's not out of the realm of possibility), but right now he is not better than either of those guys.

[Skybox]

Ok Haters...who would you replace him with?

Don't say Hinkie- if I'm him, I'm smart enough to get outta town while I look like a hero. He's a gambler and, even now, he's two chronic injuries away from a 100% flop (or genius)...and while you're at it, show me the active GM who drafted flawlessly over the last 5 years.In my opinion, Ainge blew this trade deadline by not getting George or Butler. I would've said the Brooklyn pick (#1 overall protected to next year) and Bradley or Crowder and filler. They could've challenged CLE this year and in the future with youngish stars and at least one high pick in hand. Isaiah isn't getting younger or cheaper and they'd be a twisted ankle (LBJ, Kyrie) away from contention.

Not being combative...Interested in what's out there.