Tankapolooza: Draft Lottery Odds/Watch thread

[1eyedjake]

Jackson and Tatum fit this "capable" meaning, I assume, you favor Isaac at SF.

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What is Isaac's nba skill at SF?

This question is self-answered but the topic: Isaac is a lights-out jump shooter and projects to be exactly what the Magic need at the SF slot (on offense). He also plays hard and can defend. If Isaac becomes a 2-5 from the three-ball game in and game out, a 12 ppg scoring line is fine.

Magic already have drivers in Payton and Gordon. What the team needs is perimeter scoring from the SG and SF posts.

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What I like about Isaac in the little I've seen is his passion.
I think defensively he looks like more of a 4 once he fills out, but I could see it working with him playing next to AG and switching their assignments when needed.

[HartfordWhalers]

We are not getting Tatum. Philly is starting Simmons at PG next year Brett Brown already came out and said it today. They are taking BPA and that will be Tatum.

He can say that all he wants, but not even Giannis was able to do that the entire year. Never mind a (technically) rookie year dude fresh off of a foot injury. Plus nothing is set in stone, a lot of names will move up and down once the combine starts.

I didnt say that he will be successful at it. That is what their saying right now before we head into the draft. It wont matter if they fail at it next year if they go into the draft thinking he will be a PG and draft a sf.

Brown has been clear that:
1) Offensively Simmons would be a legit pg and not just a point forward.
2) Defensively SImmons would not guard pg's. That e expects SImmons not to be guarded by the Chris Paul and Isaiah Thomas' of the league and that he plans on having Simmons guard whoever guards him.

So, for a standard depth chart I would just slot it with SImmons at pf (or possibly some sf), and then assume that the guy at pg won't be initiating the offense. I.e.


Bayless (guards pg's but stands and shoots open 3's only for offense versus traditional pg)
Monk
Covington
Simmons (guards pf's but initiates the offense)
Embiid

Or even skipping the quasi pg and playing basically 2 sg's:

Monk
Free agent SG
Covington
Simmons
Embiid

The debate over whether Simmons would be a point forward or a 'true pg' has unfortunately gotten less clear in general by Brett Brown continually saying that Simmons would be a true pg and not just a point forward, while then repeating that SImmons won't guard pg's.

My only way to make sense of it is Brett is trying to distinguish between a Giannis type initiating the offense as a point un general and a Lebron type who you give the ball on the perimeter and let him do his thing but Kyrie is the one getting the ball out of inbound passes and bringing it up the court.

It would be great if Brett would instead follow the convention of you are what position you guard, and calling Simmons a true pg meant he intended to have him guard pg's.


{And I just threw Monk in there as a guy who is billed as a sg and a possible pick, not because I think he should definitely be picked or is even likely. It is entirely possible, if not even likely, that the team actually goes:

Fultz/Ball/Smith/Fox
Free agent SG
Covington
Simmons
Embiid

and you have a bunch of interviews in which Brett Brown talks about how having two looks and two guys who can both play pg gives the team an advantage on other teams and a lot of flexibility in how they attack. I fully expect that to be considered and if that is the best player taken, just that it makes less clear what Brett has been saying so far.}

[npiper17]

I do think it's worth considering whether we do actually want the Lakers to drop out of the top 3.

If they do then the Sixers get that pick plus wherever their own pick lands - they'd basically become Timberwolves East whereby in a few years they should be perennial contenders.

If the Lakers keep their pick and Ball is still available then they'll probably use it on him who, imo, the Magic shouldn't consider anyway thanks to all the extra curricular stuff.

So whilst I'd love an additional pick in 2019, I certainly see the benefits should it not come to fruition.

[Def Swami]

Everyone prepared to miss Tatum by 1 pick to philly?

I'm still sort of hopeful that Philly goes conventional and takes a guard (Fox, Monk, Smith). Though, it really does feel like we're going to miss the top tier of the draft again, by 1 pick.

[drsd]

I'm cheering for Philly as well as us. If Philly gets two picks it may really set them up (depending on health.) They could add some kind of combination of Fultz / Monk or Tatum / Monk, etc... and really add some perimeter scoring around Simmons and Embiid.

As for us, it sets us up better also as we obviously would then get the '19 LAL pick. We need a perimeter scorer like Fultz just as much, if not more, of course.

Let's say the Magic win the lottery and draft Jackson, leaving Phill with the 2 and 4. We are probably looking at Fultz and Tatum for the Sixers.

Philly starts as:
Simmons/Fultz
Stauskas/Bayless/Luwawu
Tatum/Covington/Anderson
Šarić
Embiid/Okafor

The roster is still unbalanced. But it is starting to look like a collection of players that can win games (if healthy).


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[drsd]

What I like about Isaac in the little I've seen is his passion.
I think defensively he looks like more of a 4 once he fills out, but I could see it working with him playing next to AG and switching their assignments when needed.

One thing Gordon proved during the Ibaka fiasco is that he can guard opponent SFs.


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[pepe1991]

Philly is in so good situation that it's not even funny. Oh well, that's what you get when you hire GM who is not complete tool.


Worst case scenario for Magic is that somebody like T wolves or Knicks win lottery. That will push Magic to 6# and in that moment they are literally F-ed.

[HartfordWhalers]

I'm cheering for Philly as well as us. If Philly gets two picks it may really set them up (depending on health.) They could add some kind of combination of Fultz / Monk or Tatum / Monk, etc... and really add some perimeter scoring around Simmons and Embiid.

As for us, it sets us up better also as we obviously would then get the '19 LAL pick. We need a perimeter scorer like Fultz just as much, if not more, of course.

Let's say the Magic win the lottery and draft Jackson, leaving Phill with the 2 and 4. We are probably looking at Fultz and Tatum for the Sixers.

Philly starts as:
Simmons/Fultz
Stauskas/Bayless/Luwawu
Tatum/Covington/Anderson
Šarić
Embiid/Okafor

The roster is still unbalanced. But it is starting to look like a collection of players that can win games (if healthy).


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That definitely wouldn't be the lineup at all.

Fultz/Bayless
Luwawu/Anderson/Stauskas
Covington/Tatum/
Simmons/Šarić
Embiid/Okafor

would be much closer, although how SG shakes out could be anyway between those 3 or Bayless or Tatum and Covington both starting even. But Simmons won't guard pg's (something Covington has done repeatedly which is why he could play with Tatum in a starting lineup for instance), Covington is really good and would start, and I cannot imagine Philly has Fultz drafted 2nd and riding the bench while Stauskas starts.

[Blue_and_Whte]

What is Isaac's nba skill at SF?

This question is self-answered but the topic: Isaac is a lights-out jump shooter and projects to be exactly what the Magic need at the SF slot (on offense). He also plays hard and can defend. If Isaac becomes a 2-5 from the three-ball game in and game out, a 12 ppg scoring line is fine.

Magic already have drivers in Payton and Gordon. What the team needs is perimeter scoring from the SG and SF posts.

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What I like about Isaac in the little I've seen is his passion.
I think defensively he looks like more of a 4 once he fills out, but I could see it working with him playing next to AG and switching their assignments when needed.

Sorry Ive gotta jump in here. The Magic dont need "scoring" from the perimeter. The Magic need a stud SCORER, a go to guy that you can give the ball to and get out of his way. An alfa dog. We need way more than some perimeter scoring. Im not saying Issac and Tatum are or arent that, I just feel like people maybe aren't realizing the extent of our deficiencies.

[yoyojw17]

What I like about Isaac in the little I've seen is his passion.
I think defensively he looks like more of a 4 once he fills out, but I could see it working with him playing next to AG and switching their assignments when needed.

One thing Gordon proved during the Ibaka fiasco is that he can guard opponent SFs.


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Gordon is legit a sf/pf hybrid.... not a tweener... but if he continues developing at this trajectory..... he will literally be able to play offense and defense for either position.

His time at the SF position in my opinion forced him to acclimate himself to being more perimeter oriented, better off the dribble, better shooter. But he never quite got to the level we would like for a SF. But as a PF.... he is essentially becoming a handful for players at the position...whether we're talking bout traditional pf or tweeners. Those skills that are not quite up to par as a fulltime sf are looking more impressive at the pf position. Him and Isaac would make a great duo if that was to happen. Especially with Isaacs ability to shoot and dribble... then add his length and speed on defense... that's a hell of a 1-2 punch at the HYBRID Forward Position.

oh and kudos to that increased free throw position. If he is as involved next year as these last few months... he'll be feasting at the line.

[1eyedjake]

This question is self-answered but the topic: Isaac is a lights-out jump shooter and projects to be exactly what the Magic need at the SF slot (on offense). He also plays hard and can defend. If Isaac becomes a 2-5 from the three-ball game in and game out, a 12 ppg scoring line is fine.

Magic already have drivers in Payton and Gordon. What the team needs is perimeter scoring from the SG and SF posts.

..

What I like about Isaac in the little I've seen is his passion.
I think defensively he looks like more of a 4 once he fills out, but I could see it working with him playing next to AG and switching their assignments when needed.

Sorry Ive gotta jump in here. The Magic dont need "scoring" from the perimeter. The Magic need a stud SCORER, a go to guy that you can give the ball to and get out of his way. An alfa dog. We need way more than some perimeter scoring. Im not saying Issac and Tatum are or arent that, I just feel like people maybe aren't realizing the extent of our deficiencies.

Agree, to an extent. To be successful in the league now you need to have a consistent perimeter scoring threat though.
I don't believe I said that Isaac is that. He looks like he has some perimeter skills he could develop.
For me, it's more why I've wanted us to get a chance at Fultz despite his W/L record. He looks like a legit scorer who's able to get his shot off and hit, as well as break double teams (and move the ball to the weakside, etc.)

[Dennis Reynolds]

smth to cheer us up

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Who was that shooting at 1:12? That's embarrassing.

Noah

[cedric76]

He can say that all he wants, but not even Giannis was able to do that the entire year. Never mind a (technically) rookie year dude fresh off of a foot injury. Plus nothing is set in stone, a lot of names will move up and down once the combine starts.

I didnt say that he will be successful at it. That is what their saying right now before we head into the draft. It wont matter if they fail at it next year if they go into the draft thinking he will be a PG and draft a sf.

Brown has been clear that:
1) Offensively Simmons would be a legit pg and not just a point forward.
2) Defensively SImmons would not guard pg's. That e expects SImmons not to be guarded by the Chris Paul and Isaiah Thomas' of the league and that he plans on having Simmons guard whoever guards him.

So, for a standard depth chart I would just slot it with SImmons at pf (or possibly some sf), and then assume that the guy at pg won't be initiating the offense. I.e.


Bayless (guards pg's but stands and shoots open 3's only for offense versus traditional pg)
Monk
Covington
Simmons (guards pf's but initiates the offense)
Embiid

Or even skipping the quasi pg and playing basically 2 sg's:

Monk
Free agent SG
Covington
Simmons
Embiid

The debate over whether Simmons would be a point forward or a 'true pg' has unfortunately gotten less clear in general by Brett Brown continually saying that Simmons would be a true pg and not just a point forward, while then repeating that SImmons won't guard pg's.

My only way to make sense of it is Brett is trying to distinguish between a Giannis type initiating the offense as a point un general and a Lebron type who you give the ball on the perimeter and let him do his thing but Kyrie is the one getting the ball out of inbound passes and bringing it up the court.

It would be great if Brett would instead follow the convention of you are what position you guard, and calling Simmons a true pg meant he intended to have him guard pg's.


{And I just threw Monk in there as a guy who is billed as a sg and a possible pick, not because I think he should definitely be picked or is even likely. It is entirely possible, if not even likely, that the team actually goes:

Fultz/Ball/Smith/Fox
Free agent SG
Covington
Simmons
Embiid

and you have a bunch of interviews in which Brett Brown talks about how having two looks and two guys who can both play pg gives the team an advantage on other teams and a lot of flexibility in how they attack. I fully expect that to be considered and if that is the best player taken, just that it makes less clear what Brett has been saying so far.}

Embiid? Who will play center the 50 other games?

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[HartfordWhalers]

I didnt say that he will be successful at it. That is what their saying right now before we head into the draft. It wont matter if they fail at it next year if they go into the draft thinking he will be a PG and draft a sf.

Brown has been clear that:
1) Offensively Simmons would be a legit pg and not just a point forward.
2) Defensively SImmons would not guard pg's. That e expects SImmons not to be guarded by the Chris Paul and Isaiah Thomas' of the league and that he plans on having Simmons guard whoever guards him.

So, for a standard depth chart I would just slot it with SImmons at pf (or possibly some sf), and then assume that the guy at pg won't be initiating the offense. I.e.


Bayless (guards pg's but stands and shoots open 3's only for offense versus traditional pg)
Monk
Covington
Simmons (guards pf's but initiates the offense)
Embiid

Or even skipping the quasi pg and playing basically 2 sg's:

Monk
Free agent SG
Covington
Simmons
Embiid

The debate over whether Simmons would be a point forward or a 'true pg' has unfortunately gotten less clear in general by Brett Brown continually saying that Simmons would be a true pg and not just a point forward, while then repeating that SImmons won't guard pg's.

My only way to make sense of it is Brett is trying to distinguish between a Giannis type initiating the offense as a point un general and a Lebron type who you give the ball on the perimeter and let him do his thing but Kyrie is the one getting the ball out of inbound passes and bringing it up the court.

It would be great if Brett would instead follow the convention of you are what position you guard, and calling Simmons a true pg meant he intended to have him guard pg's.


{And I just threw Monk in there as a guy who is billed as a sg and a possible pick, not because I think he should definitely be picked or is even likely. It is entirely possible, if not even likely, that the team actually goes:

Fultz/Ball/Smith/Fox
Free agent SG
Covington
Simmons
Embiid

and you have a bunch of interviews in which Brett Brown talks about how having two looks and two guys who can both play pg gives the team an advantage on other teams and a lot of flexibility in how they attack. I fully expect that to be considered and if that is the best player taken, just that it makes less clear what Brett has been saying so far.}

Embiid? Who will play center the 50 other games?

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Holmes and Okafor are both under contract for next year. And Holmes has looked quite good. Although obviously the hope is that Embiid plays more than 32 games.

[cedric76]

Brown has been clear that:
1) Offensively Simmons would be a legit pg and not just a point forward.
2) Defensively SImmons would not guard pg's. That e expects SImmons not to be guarded by the Chris Paul and Isaiah Thomas' of the league and that he plans on having Simmons guard whoever guards him.

So, for a standard depth chart I would just slot it with SImmons at pf (or possibly some sf), and then assume that the guy at pg won't be initiating the offense. I.e.


Bayless (guards pg's but stands and shoots open 3's only for offense versus traditional pg)
Monk
Covington
Simmons (guards pf's but initiates the offense)
Embiid

Or even skipping the quasi pg and playing basically 2 sg's:

Monk
Free agent SG
Covington
Simmons
Embiid

The debate over whether Simmons would be a point forward or a 'true pg' has unfortunately gotten less clear in general by Brett Brown continually saying that Simmons would be a true pg and not just a point forward, while then repeating that SImmons won't guard pg's.

My only way to make sense of it is Brett is trying to distinguish between a Giannis type initiating the offense as a point un general and a Lebron type who you give the ball on the perimeter and let him do his thing but Kyrie is the one getting the ball out of inbound passes and bringing it up the court.

It would be great if Brett would instead follow the convention of you are what position you guard, and calling Simmons a true pg meant he intended to have him guard pg's.


{And I just threw Monk in there as a guy who is billed as a sg and a possible pick, not because I think he should definitely be picked or is even likely. It is entirely possible, if not even likely, that the team actually goes:

Fultz/Ball/Smith/Fox
Free agent SG
Covington
Simmons
Embiid

and you have a bunch of interviews in which Brett Brown talks about how having two looks and two guys who can both play pg gives the team an advantage on other teams and a lot of flexibility in how they attack. I fully expect that to be considered and if that is the best player taken, just that it makes less clear what Brett has been saying so far.}

Embiid? Who will play center the 50 other games?

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Holmes and Okafor are both under contract for next year. And Holmes has looked quite good. Although obviously the hope is that Embiid plays more than 32 games.

Can't see Joel having a long career unfortunately:-(

Wish him the best

Sam bowie 2

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[pepe1991]

I didnt say that he will be successful at it. That is what their saying right now before we head into the draft. It wont matter if they fail at it next year if they go into the draft thinking he will be a PG and draft a sf.

Brown has been clear that:
1) Offensively Simmons would be a legit pg and not just a point forward.
2) Defensively SImmons would not guard pg's. That e expects SImmons not to be guarded by the Chris Paul and Isaiah Thomas' of the league and that he plans on having Simmons guard whoever guards him.

So, for a standard depth chart I would just slot it with SImmons at pf (or possibly some sf), and then assume that the guy at pg won't be initiating the offense. I.e.


Bayless (guards pg's but stands and shoots open 3's only for offense versus traditional pg)
Monk
Covington
Simmons (guards pf's but initiates the offense)
Embiid

Or even skipping the quasi pg and playing basically 2 sg's:

Monk
Free agent SG
Covington
Simmons
Embiid

The debate over whether Simmons would be a point forward or a 'true pg' has unfortunately gotten less clear in general by Brett Brown continually saying that Simmons would be a true pg and not just a point forward, while then repeating that SImmons won't guard pg's.

My only way to make sense of it is Brett is trying to distinguish between a Giannis type initiating the offense as a point un general and a Lebron type who you give the ball on the perimeter and let him do his thing but Kyrie is the one getting the ball out of inbound passes and bringing it up the court.

It would be great if Brett would instead follow the convention of you are what position you guard, and calling Simmons a true pg meant he intended to have him guard pg's.


{And I just threw Monk in there as a guy who is billed as a sg and a possible pick, not because I think he should definitely be picked or is even likely. It is entirely possible, if not even likely, that the team actually goes:

Fultz/Ball/Smith/Fox
Free agent SG
Covington
Simmons
Embiid

and you have a bunch of interviews in which Brett Brown talks about how having two looks and two guys who can both play pg gives the team an advantage on other teams and a lot of flexibility in how they attack. I fully expect that to be considered and if that is the best player taken, just that it makes less clear what Brett has been saying so far.}

Embiid? Who will play center the 50 other games?

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Holmes.

Embiid had more impact on his team in 31 games than any Magic player in his 80 lol

I really hope that Embiid can stay healthy, he is easly one of most interesting young players to watch . Crazy offensive talent, crazy defensive potential.

[PennytoShaq]

This question is self-answered but the topic: Isaac is a lights-out jump shooter and projects to be exactly what the Magic need at the SF slot (on offense). He also plays hard and can defend. If Isaac becomes a 2-5 from the three-ball game in and game out, a 12 ppg scoring line is fine.

Magic already have drivers in Payton and Gordon. What the team needs is perimeter scoring from the SG and SF posts.

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What I like about Isaac in the little I've seen is his passion.
I think defensively he looks like more of a 4 once he fills out, but I could see it working with him playing next to AG and switching their assignments when needed.

Sorry Ive gotta jump in here. The Magic dont need "scoring" from the perimeter. The Magic need a stud SCORER, a go to guy that you can give the ball to and get out of his way. An alfa dog. We need way more than some perimeter scoring. Im not saying Issac and Tatum are or arent that, I just feel like people maybe aren't realizing the extent of our deficiencies.

Agree, but we could add that guy at SG via trade.

[pepe1991]

What I like about Isaac in the little I've seen is his passion.
I think defensively he looks like more of a 4 once he fills out, but I could see it working with him playing next to AG and switching their assignments when needed.

Sorry Ive gotta jump in here. The Magic dont need "scoring" from the perimeter. The Magic need a stud SCORER, a go to guy that you can give the ball to and get out of his way. An alfa dog. We need way more than some perimeter scoring. Im not saying Issac and Tatum are or arent that, I just feel like people maybe aren't realizing the extent of our deficiencies.

Agree, but we could add that guy at SG via trade.

Count SGs who actually can produce their offense. I'll help you :Bradley Beal. That's it? Klay struggles to create for himself, Eric Gordon struggles to create for himself, Bradley is more defensive minded despite having good numbers. KCP is spot up shooter.

SG is filler spot in NBA. Just like PF.

TO build a competitive team you have to have star level PG or SF , in perfect world, both.

[PennytoShaq]

Sorry Ive gotta jump in here. The Magic dont need "scoring" from the perimeter. The Magic need a stud SCORER, a go to guy that you can give the ball to and get out of his way. An alfa dog. We need way more than some perimeter scoring. Im not saying Issac and Tatum are or arent that, I just feel like people maybe aren't realizing the extent of our deficiencies.

Agree, but we could add that guy at SG via trade.

Count SGs who actually can produce their offense. I'll help you :Bradley Beal. That's it? Klay struggles to create for himself, Eric Gordon struggles to create for himself, Bradley is more defensive minded despite having good numbers. KCP is spot up shooter.

SG is filler spot in NBA. Just like PF.

TO build a competitive team you have to have star level PG or SF , in perfect world, both.

Cj Mccollum, Devin Booker, Jimmy Butler, Lavine. Just right off the top of my head. So that's not it.

There is no exact perfect formula to building a championship NBA team. When people think in absolutes like that it's just crazy.

[Blue_and_Whte]

Agree, but we could add that guy at SG via trade.

Count SGs who actually can produce their offense. I'll help you :Bradley Beal. That's it? Klay struggles to create for himself, Eric Gordon struggles to create for himself, Bradley is more defensive minded despite having good numbers. KCP is spot up shooter.

SG is filler spot in NBA. Just like PF.

TO build a competitive team you have to have star level PG or SF , in perfect world, both.

Cj Mccollum, Devin Booker, Jimmy Butler, Lavine. Just right off the top of my head. So that's not it.

There is no exact perfect formula to building a championship NBA team. When people think in absolutes like that it's just crazy.

This 100%. imo aspects of the game have changed but the constant is having at least one elite player to build around. Using Pepe's logic we dont need Anthony Davis because he's just a filler spot. Centers apparently arent important either so scratch KAT and Embiid off my want list.