How would you improve this team...

[Shady Franchise]

Trade AG to move up in the draft??? WTF, wasn't it easier and cheaper not wining couple meaningles games like this one last night?

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What I meant is that if we agree that we don't have a promising star on this roster yet, then we should try to trade Fournier with Gordon and/or the Tor 1st to move into the lottery for a second pick. It's hard to do just one move and be realistic! I was suggesting that 2 lottery picks in this draft should net a better chance of turning up a star, than waiting to see what we have with Gordon, Fournier, or the Tor 1st.

Payton/DJ
Monk/Ross
Isaac/Mario
Biz/FA
Vuc/Zimmer

I'm not endorsing Isaac or Monk, but merely using them as an example here. It could be Isaac-Tatum and Fox-Smith JR-Monk, etc. It's a pipe dream...I know!

[CourtsideTV]

trade bizmak, trade evan, trade vuc.

get rid of dj, henjoza, meeks.

run with ross, elf, gordon and some free agents+ picks.

[pepe1991]

Really don't understand obsession with a Ross.
Man is 26-27 years old , too skinny for SGs let alone SFs , medicore passer and so damn bad at drawing fouls. And he really isn't that good of a shooter . Career 37% for 3, that's 1% above league average.

[Thunderman]

Ross obsession explanation:
- Fantastic shooting form + quick release. 37% from 3 is not elite but its an efficient shot.
- Gives great effort on d always.
- Awesome looking dunks- former dunk champion. 2 in game 360's this year. Exciting
- Low turnovers. His steals to turnover rate this year is 7th in the entire NBA
- Prototypical NBA 3 & D skill set which can fit with pretty much any lineup- starting or bench
- Humble, nice guy. Respectful of teammates and opposition. Unselfish.
- Still seems like some room to grow/develop. Was never featured in Toronto (well- except for 1 game...) Although his USG in Orlando has strangely gone done a little.
- Top 30 player in NBA in points per touch. He's a solid scorer.
- Hits some clutch shots. Does not back away from big shots/moments.

[pepe1991]

Ross obsession explanation:
- Fantastic shooting form + quick release. 37% from 3 is not elite but its an efficient shot.
- Gives great effort on d always.
- Awesome looking dunks- former dunk champion. 2 in game 360's this year. Exciting
- Low turnovers. His steals to turnover rate this year is 7th in the entire NBA
- Prototypical NBA 3 & D skill set which can fit with pretty much any lineup- starting or bench
- Humble, nice guy. Respectful of teammates and opposition. Unselfish.
- Still seems like some room to grow/develop. Was never featured in Toronto (well- except for 1 game...) Although his USG in Orlando has strangely gone done a little.
- Top 30 player in NBA in points per touch. He's a solid scorer.
- Hits some clutch shots. Does not back away from big shots/moments.

Fantasic form -34% for 3 with Magic, in other words- below average
Gives effort on defense ? Effort is not enough ,too skinny, too soft to play SF
Awesome dunks ? All 27 of them through a season.
Low turnovers. It's not easy to lose a ball when you never pass or never drive at rim. Literally one of worst passers among wings.
To be 3 and D you actually have to be good at defending and shooting. For Magic he wasn't good at any of that.
Unselfish is interesting word for somebody who had 88 assists in 1800 min played and who averaged 0,9 assists per career.
Over a period of 387 games in his career, he started 158 of them, 132 with Toronto, he never proved to be anything more than bench player.
Room to grow where? If he actually wanted to be better player he had to put up more muscles...4 years ago. Somebody who has body development like African economy after 5 yeras of NBA probably doesn't really care about getting better because that's first thing that rookie do, they bulk up to be more competitive
And last, for Magic he played around 31 min per game, took around 11 FGA, to average 12 ppg, Jeff Teague ,who isn't even shoot first PG or anyone looks as elite PG, on 11 FGA is averaging 15 ppg. That just goes to show how average he is. When you look some of better 6th man around the league like Boganovic or Lou Williams or Kanter, they all shoot around the same as him, or less, and all of them average more points.

His ceiling is average backup SG. That's just reality of his talent. His inability to draw a fouls or drive at rim is just too hard to overcome for him to be anything more than backup.

[Thunderman]

I think he has been playing d for the magic. I have watched almost every game since he was traded to the Magic and to my eyes him, Gordon and Biyombo are the ones always bringing it on that end. With Biyombo it is hopeless because that second unit has BRUTAL lack of d from the 'vets'

He leads the team in steals since he got here. He also has 3 less blocks in the 24 games he played for Orlando than Fournier has in his 5 year career (they are the same height).

Ross is a career 37.4% 3pt shooter. He and Fournier are the only good 3 point shooters on the team- and in my opinion- both of them should have been taking more- those are efficient shots. Even at 34%.

You are right about the turnovers- the main reason they are elitely low is that his main role has been as a spot up shooter- and there is not much opportunity for a turnover in that role.

What I meant about unselfish is not easily tracked just by assist numbers. Due to his role and low touches on offense- his assist number will always be low (although they have gone up dramatically since arriving in Orlando). If Ross misses a couple shots- he generally starts taking less. If he isn't feeling it- rather than trying to shoot his way out of it- he will defer to teammates- give up the rock. You can see that somewhat in the last 2 games of this season- and a few others. When he is hot- he will keep shooting.

Anyways- I don't think you like him- that's cool! I wonder what other board members think of his game after getting a longer look at him this last part of the season.

I think he's a solid and enjoyable to root for player, and I do not agree with about 60% of the things other raptor posters have posted about him at the time of the trade...

[mr2good]

Trade AG to move up in the draft??? WTF, wasn't it easier and cheaper not wining couple meaningles games like this one last night?

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What I meant is that if we agree that we don't have a promising star on this roster yet, then we should try to trade Fournier with Gordon and/or the Tor 1st to move into the lottery for a second pick. It's hard to do just one move and be realistic! I was suggesting that 2 lottery picks in this draft should net a better chance of turning up a star, than waiting to see what we have with Gordon, Fournier, or the Tor 1st.

Payton/DJ
Monk/Ross
Isaac/Mario
Biz/FA
Vuc/Zimmer

I'm not endorsing Isaac or Monk, but merely using them as an example here. It could be Isaac-Tatum and Fox-Smith JR-Monk, etc. It's a pipe dream...I know!

Trade AG to run a twin towers game of Biz & Vooch!? Oh. Dear. God.

[Shady Franchise]

Trade AG to move up in the draft??? WTF, wasn't it easier and cheaper not wining couple meaningles games like this one last night?

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What I meant is that if we agree that we don't have a promising star on this roster yet, then we should try to trade Fournier with Gordon and/or the Tor 1st to move into the lottery for a second pick. It's hard to do just one move and be realistic! I was suggesting that 2 lottery picks in this draft should net a better chance of turning up a star, than waiting to see what we have with Gordon, Fournier, or the Tor 1st.

Payton/DJ
Monk/Ross
Isaac/Mario
Biz/FA
Vuc/Zimmer

I'm not endorsing Isaac or Monk, but merely using them as an example here. It could be Isaac-Tatum and Fox-Smith JR-Monk, etc. It's a pipe dream...I know!

Trade AG to run a twin towers game of Biz & Vooch!? Oh. Dear. God.

Yay for sarcasm because the Magic can be turned into a perfect team in just 1 move! Who are you and why aren't you the GM?

[PennytoShaq]

I think he has been playing d for the magic. I have watched almost every game since he was traded to the Magic and to my eyes him, Gordon and Biyombo are the ones always bringing it on that end. With Biyombo it is hopeless because that second unit has BRUTAL lack of d from the 'vets'

He leads the team in steals since he got here. He also has 3 less blocks in the 24 games he played for Orlando than Fournier has in his 5 year career (they are the same height).

Ross is a career 37.4% 3pt shooter. He and Fournier are the only good 3 point shooters on the team- and in my opinion- both of them should have been taking more- those are efficient shots. Even at 34%.

You are right about the turnovers- the main reason they are elitely low is that his main role has been as a spot up shooter- and there is not much opportunity for a turnover in that role.

What I meant about unselfish is not easily tracked just by assist numbers. Due to his role and low touches on offense- his assist number will always be low (although they have gone up dramatically since arriving in Orlando). If Ross misses a couple shots- he generally starts taking less. If he isn't feeling it- rather than trying to shoot his way out of it- he will defer to teammates- give up the rock. You can see that somewhat in the last 2 games of this season- and a few others. When he is hot- he will keep shooting.

Anyways- I don't think you like him- that's cool! I wonder what other board members think of his game after getting a longer look at him this last part of the season.

I think he's a solid and enjoyable to root for player, and I do not agree with about 60% of the things other raptor posters have posted about him at the time of the trade...

I like him. A lot of guys trashed him at first and then he out played Oladipo against OKC and put up good numbers most of the last month. When he guarded SGs he was quite effective. I'd rather have him than Fournier, but I also like that his contract is very tradable.

[mr2good]

What I meant is that if we agree that we don't have a promising star on this roster yet, then we should try to trade Fournier with Gordon and/or the Tor 1st to move into the lottery for a second pick. It's hard to do just one move and be realistic! I was suggesting that 2 lottery picks in this draft should net a better chance of turning up a star, than waiting to see what we have with Gordon, Fournier, or the Tor 1st.

Payton/DJ
Monk/Ross
Isaac/Mario
Biz/FA
Vuc/Zimmer

I'm not endorsing Isaac or Monk, but merely using them as an example here. It could be Isaac-Tatum and Fox-Smith JR-Monk, etc. It's a pipe dream...I know!

Trade AG to run a twin towers game of Biz & Vooch!? Oh. Dear. God.

Yay for sarcasm because the Magic can be turned into a perfect team in just 1 move! Who are you and why aren't you the GM?

I wasn't really being sarcastic. I think most of the board would agree that rolling a Biz Vooch front court out for the start of next season would be a disaster.

[cedric76]

Ep.dj. Evans
Evan . Ross
Ross.isaac
Ag.mario . lauvergne
Biz.vuc.zimm

Draft Isaac and Evans
Sign lauvergne

Aim for 42win
Go magic





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[jinn]

With only one?
The best I could come up with would be to announce that team is NOT hunting playoffs....developing young players and the if they surprisingly make it that would be just a bonus if not while giving players ( mostly payton, gordon, hezonja and a new player from the draft..) we just call it process....he he

[Shady Franchise]

Trade AG to run a twin towers game of Biz & Vooch!? Oh. Dear. God.

Yay for sarcasm because the Magic can be turned into a perfect team in just 1 move! Who are you and why aren't you the GM?

I wasn't really being sarcastic. I think most of the board would agree that rolling a Biz Vooch front court out for the start of next season would be a disaster.

Sarcasm was the wrong word to use. I understand that no one wants a Biz/Vuc front court, but I was only able to make 1 move, and I would never want them playing together in the starting lineup as a finished product.