Where do you stand?

[axl_c_cool]

I want a soft reboot. Basically, add talent without blowing up the roster. I'd say we need a third guy. I personally think the best case scenario is to trade the pick for a young stud like CJ McCollum. Elf, CJ and AAron are pieces we can build around. Once we have that foundation we can trade/sign players that fit them. Namely a center who can defend the paint and shoot from the perimeter such as a Olynk or Speights. And a small forward who can defend the teams other best player.

I'd love to trade the pick for CJ but that wouldn't get it done. A soft reboot sounds good too. Coming out of this summer with CJ and Isaac's with AG, Payton, Mario remaining would be a win, I don't think that can happen though


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[NBAchamps2017]

Build around Jrue and and Gallinari? They are not that good plus they probably consume up most of our cap space to where we wouldn't be able to add much to them while they are on the books. It is going to take a lot of money to lure them here. At best we would be a team stuck in the middle for a few years just waiting for another rebuild while also missing out on higher picks that have better chances of actually reeling in a star. Those two don't make us that much better. We did this last year when we gave money to Biyombo and Augustin and it didn't turn out well did it. Jrue is better than DJ and yes we have a hole at SF where Gallinari would fill but I don't see them making us that much better.

Maybe we move into the late lottery but that is where we would remain as adding those two aren't that enticing for players to join them nor would we have that much money to offer them. Sorry but this is our fate. Free agency isn't the answer right now. I know it will it will be tough to watch but that is sports. That is just where we are. I am not talking about a band-aid approach. That kind of approach means you are just targeting a couple guys. Which is what you are talking about which would simply be band-aid to another rebuild. We need to get out of this rebuild and adding a couple decent but not great free agents doesn't do that. We need more than those two to become a good team that free agents might want to actually join. I would rather try and clear some space for the coming years while trying to get the best pick for next year. Hopefully we get better lottery luck and we add that pick to the one we get this year as well as Gordon and whatever else remains from hopefully getting rid of contracts like Biyombo and Augustin. Gallinari and Holiday would simply be bandaids added to a bad team making us at best an average team.

No thanks but free agency isn't the answer. Yeah the draft may not be either but I would rather go with potential to be great rather than good but not great vets that don't help us that much. It is how we got out of the rebuild we faced after Shaq left. We went to the draft and got Dwight and we were able to build around him. We are not going to build much around those two.

What more can you ask for? The 'new starting five' I've proposed is a combination of above average vets and young athletic talents in Dennis Smith Jr, Josh Jackson, and add a bruiser in Jordan Bell for the 25th pick. That's 3 first round talents we can develop with higher probability of having an all star ceiling. Adding freshmen Frank Jackson and Tony Bradley are potential good role players as well. Getting Jrue and Gallinari will take the new management some serious maneuverings to even bring these two to Orlando. This could be the start of our future:

Jrue / DSJr
Ross / JMeeks / Frank Jackson
Jackson / Garino
Gallinari / Thomas Robinson / Jordan Bell
Jerebko / Mason Plumlee / Tony Bradley

Sorry but I don't think that trade works. I highly doubt Philly gives up the 3rd pick for just Gordon and Fournier. Why well first off I don't think Philly would give up a good chance at a future star player for Gordon who I am not sure will be and Fournier who I doubt even more will be an all-star. Secondly Philly doesn't need a PF with Simmons the likely starter at that spot. I think they would be ok with Fournier as they do need guards but he isn't going to get you the 3rd pick in the draft by himself. I think they would be just happy with taking Fox or Smith or even Monk. Why because as I first stated above that pick has potential to be an all-star thus better then maybe both of those two combined. Also because that pick would be much cheaper for the next four years whereas you have to pay Fournier a lot and Gordon will be up for a pay raise in a couple years. So sorry but I think Philly probably hangs up the phone on that one.

Enlighten me on this. The Magic of 2000 made two sign and trades with Pistons and Raptors that got them McGrady and GHill. Question: Can they not do the same with Jrue and Gallinari? S&T with Denver (Biyombo+Payton+filler) and with Nola (Vucevic+CJWatson)? Will that work this time? Gabriel pulled this stunt before.

[Bensational]

I just want the team to bring in someone who's capable of carrying an offense every night, and players who play lock down defense and move the ball well on offense. Whether they come in the form of rookies, or in the form of early/mid-career guys like Jonathan Simmons and Crowder, I don't mind.

I'd also be happy to see some of our current guys get the chance to carry the load of the offense to see if they have the capacity to step up or not.

Either way, we need an injection of talent or someone to take a big step up. Planning to wait until Golden State eventually suck is boring. If we can get good enough, we might be able to be the next Golden State that has the next Durant come and join them. But if we continue to suck and just turnover mediocre pieces then we'll never attract a player of that caliber.

[JF5]

What more can you ask for? The 'new starting five' I've proposed is a combination of above average vets and young athletic talents in Dennis Smith Jr, Josh Jackson, and add a bruiser in Jordan Bell for the 25th pick. That's 3 first round talents we can develop with higher probability of having an all star ceiling. Adding freshmen Frank Jackson and Tony Bradley are potential good role players as well. Getting Jrue and Gallinari will take the new management some serious maneuverings to even bring these two to Orlando. This could be the start of our future:

Jrue / DSJr
Ross / JMeeks / Frank Jackson
Jackson / Garino
Gallinari / Thomas Robinson / Jordan Bell
Jerebko / Mason Plumlee / Tony Bradley

Sorry but I don't think that trade works. I highly doubt Philly gives up the 3rd pick for just Gordon and Fournier. Why well first off I don't think Philly would give up a good chance at a future star player for Gordon who I am not sure will be and Fournier who I doubt even more will be an all-star. Secondly Philly doesn't need a PF with Simmons the likely starter at that spot. I think they would be ok with Fournier as they do need guards but he isn't going to get you the 3rd pick in the draft by himself. I think they would be just happy with taking Fox or Smith or even Monk. Why because as I first stated above that pick has potential to be an all-star thus better then maybe both of those two combined. Also because that pick would be much cheaper for the next four years whereas you have to pay Fournier a lot and Gordon will be up for a pay raise in a couple years. So sorry but I think Philly probably hangs up the phone on that one.

Enlighten me on this. The Magic of 2000 made two sign and trades with Pistons and Raptors that got them McGrady and GHill. Question: Can they not do the same with Jrue and Gallinari? S&T with Denver (Biyombo+Payton+filler) and with Nola (Vucevic+CJWatson)? Will that work this time? Gabriel pulled this stunt before.

The sign and trades happened because the team was giving Mac and Hill more money. Those guys were already free-agents and were coming here anyway... Its like what happened with Rashard Lewis when he was signed and traded here for the extra year.

[KillMonger]

Back up data, root it and soft reboot it.....try to get some guys with some talent and upside in the draft and try to trade some of our more valuable pieces.....maybe it's time to see what we can get for vuc or fournier.

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[axl_c_cool]

I just want the team to bring in someone who's capable of carrying an offense every night, and players who play lock down defense and move the ball well on offense. Whether they come in the form of rookies, or in the form of early/mid-career guys like Jonathan Simmons and Crowder, I don't mind.

I'd also be happy to see some of our current guys get the chance to carry the load of the offense to see if they have the capacity to step up or not.

Either way, we need an injection of talent or someone to take a big step up. Planning to wait until Golden State eventually suck is boring. If we can get good enough, we might be able to be the next Golden State that has the next Durant come and join them. But if we continue to suck and just turnover mediocre pieces then we'll never attract a player of that caliber.

I agree 100%, we are not signing/trading for that level of talent and it's very unlikely we have it on our roster, so the answer (to me) is to trust the young players, draft/sign more, and truly go for the first pick next season if we can

[ralphie9898]

What more can you ask for? The 'new starting five' I've proposed is a combination of above average vets and young athletic talents in Dennis Smith Jr, Josh Jackson, and add a bruiser in Jordan Bell for the 25th pick. That's 3 first round talents we can develop with higher probability of having an all star ceiling. Adding freshmen Frank Jackson and Tony Bradley are potential good role players as well. Getting Jrue and Gallinari will take the new management some serious maneuverings to even bring these two to Orlando. This could be the start of our future:

Jrue / DSJr
Ross / JMeeks / Frank Jackson
Jackson / Garino
Gallinari / Thomas Robinson / Jordan Bell
Jerebko / Mason Plumlee / Tony Bradley

Sorry but I don't think that trade works. I highly doubt Philly gives up the 3rd pick for just Gordon and Fournier. Why well first off I don't think Philly would give up a good chance at a future star player for Gordon who I am not sure will be and Fournier who I doubt even more will be an all-star. Secondly Philly doesn't need a PF with Simmons the likely starter at that spot. I think they would be ok with Fournier as they do need guards but he isn't going to get you the 3rd pick in the draft by himself. I think they would be just happy with taking Fox or Smith or even Monk. Why because as I first stated above that pick has potential to be an all-star thus better then maybe both of those two combined. Also because that pick would be much cheaper for the next four years whereas you have to pay Fournier a lot and Gordon will be up for a pay raise in a couple years. So sorry but I think Philly probably hangs up the phone on that one.

Enlighten me on this. The Magic of 2000 made two sign and trades with Pistons and Raptors that got them McGrady and GHill. Question: Can they not do the same with Jrue and Gallinari? S&T with Denver (Biyombo+Payton+filler) and with Nola (Vucevic+CJWatson)? Will that work this time? Gabriel pulled this stunt before.

No because we don't have that kind of money to offer what it would take to sign them. Maybe one but definitely not both. Sign and trades are not like traditional trades. You first have to have the cap space and usually you don't send much back. As with Rashard Lewis where we only gave up some crappy second round picks to Seattle(yes now they are OKC). I don't remember doing sign and trades for McGrady and Hill but I wasn't as involved back then so I am not sure but I thought we just signed those two with our cap space and didn't do a sign and trade. But no it doesn't work that way.

And as I said I don't want to pay even one of those guys what it would take to get them here assuming we even would have enough space(only about15-19 mill in space). I don't think they make us any better and I would rather look to conserve and try and create more future cap space rather then going after free agents like we did last summer.

[Max Power]

I think a full on youth movement is where we're headed, I'm ok keeping Vucevic, as he's a rare double double guy anymore, but I'm not enamored with anyone on this roster. Vuc could be the key to finding a difference maker for us.

We need to keep in mind that the reasons Weltman and Hammond were probably hired were because they see things the exact opposite of Rob Hennigan. So a full on 7 years of drafting may not be what they have in mind.

I'm ok with the youth movement if it means a major roster overhaul. The current roster has no real room for improvement so a majority of it needs to go. Including Payton and probably Gordon also. Terence Ross gets a pass because we didn't see much of him yet. I'm not a believer in Hezonja at all so I'm thinking it's time to cut loses with him if year 3 doesn't show major improvement.


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