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What eight Magicians would you protect in a expansion draft?

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Re: What eight Magicians would you protect in a expansion draft? 

Post#41 » by ralphie9898 » Sat Aug 12, 2017 4:40 am

drsd wrote:The dog days of summer are on us when this is what we get to read:
SB Nation Mock Expansion Draft: Orlando Magic protected players
Expansion talk is picking up, so we protected eight players from a possible expansion draft.


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Given boredom to the lack of actual basketball, this is as good as any question to address.


So: I would protect, in order, :
1-Payton
2-Vučević
3-Gordon
4-Isaac
5-Simmons
6-Ross
7-Fournier
8-Biyombo

This leaves open:
a) Afflalo, Augustin, and Speights as expendable, low-cost vets.
b) Hezonja, Birch, and Iwundu as unproven, low-cost young-guns.

Keeping Fournier and Biyombo over the above six to make-available was a tough call for me. (Their respective release creates needed Magic cap space). But in the end I decided that clear assets have value no matter the cost.


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The only issue I have with your list is Biyombo. There is no way I am going to protect him as getting his contract off the books would be big and I think he has the least value of our big money guys. Though I do wonder if any expansion team would even claim him with that contract but I would definitely see if they would. I also would be tempted to put Fournier and Vuc on there and maybe Ross as well. Simply because of the money owed to them and having a team take on thier contracts would help us clear some significant cap room to actually a bigger free agent. But I can also understand protecting them. The only guys I for sure protect would be Isaac first and foremost then Payton, Gordon, and Simmons. Speights is also one low cost deal so I would probably put him on the list in place of Biyombo. So in a sense I probably be fine with protecting less players. Quick question can you trade a protection slot to a team that wants another one or two? I only really need four protection slots for Isaac, Gordon, Payton and Simmons. After that there is no one I really feel the need to protect. If I had to do eight I would go with Ross, Speights, Afflalo, and the eighth spot I could go with anyone else except Biymbo and probably would be fine even not protecting Fournier and Vuc.. I am just not sure that we would be able to trade Either of those guys and get zero money in return. If the expansion team takes one or even two of them that clears a lot of money off the books. If two it could clear max cap room by itself.
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Re: What eight Magicians would you protect in a expansion draft? 

Post#42 » by drsd » Sat Aug 12, 2017 8:38 am

ralphie9898 wrote:The only issue I have with your list is Biyombo.


I do see a value of relating the Magic from Biyombo's contract. In past expansion drafts, indeed, teams can trade to allow entice the expansion to to draft a player.

So: would the Magic trade away a 2nd-round pick to dump Biyombo? Perhaps.


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Re: What eight Magicians would you protect in a expansion draft? 

Post#43 » by ralphie9898 » Sat Aug 12, 2017 10:53 pm

drsd wrote:
ralphie9898 wrote:The only issue I have with your list is Biyombo.


I do see a value of relating the Magic from Biyombo's contract. In past expansion drafts, indeed, teams can trade to allow entice the expansion to to draft a player.

So: would the Magic trade away a 2nd-round pick to dump Biyombo? Perhaps.


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yeah now that you bring it up I think I do remember that happening where expansion teams would entice a team to take a certain player. I would definitely trade a second rounder to get rid of his deal. I would trade two. I would even consider trading that pick we get from OKc which could be a first or two second rounders. So I am all for an expansion team as this would be a good benefit for us if we could make it happen. But I haven't heard too much talk about an expansion team so no I am not counting on it but yeah it sure would be nice if it did.
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Re: What eight Magicians would you protect in a expansion draft? 

Post#44 » by Skin » Mon Aug 14, 2017 5:44 pm

fklt wrote:
Skin wrote:1. Gordon
2. Isaac
3. Simmons
4. Iwundu
5. Payton
6. Hezonja
7. Biyombo
8. Afflalo

Let 'em take our softies... Evan or Vuc.


serious question. what did you ever see from fournier that made you think he is a softie? being white and european don't count.

serious question. have you seen him play defense?
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Re: What eight Magicians would you protect in a expansion draft? 

Post#45 » by Blue_and_Whte » Mon Aug 14, 2017 6:51 pm

tiderulz wrote:
shadrock wrote:
OrlDave wrote:
Scoring big on a good contract? His contract alone has value. So no, I'm not. Nice try though :)


No. So much no.

Scoring is irrelevant. he is a dinosaur by todays nba standards. Big, slow, cant defend well enough. Nowadays you can really only afford to play one big man at a time. Do you really want your one big man to not be a good defender? No way. Id prefer to start Biz over Vuc, as he can defend all five positions, doesnt waste possessions, can set way better screens and is great in transition. How on earth do you protect the paint with Vuc on the court? How do you cover the 3 pt line when the opposing center can shoot threes? How does he rotate and cover the guard when defending the pick and roll? Thats right, he cant. So what do you do? Play a defensive big beside him at the 4? Well we tried that last year and got run out of the gym most nights because we were way to big and way to slow.

So yeah, as i said, hes redundant in todays nba. We need to get rid of him, or, he needs to commit to a 20 minute role off the bench. But we know he wont do this, so its time to move on. No team in the NBA will want him for anything more than a salary dump, if we are lucky, which i would be content with. Dont get me wrong, hes a good player, but the NBA in particular is a bad fit for him at the moment. His time in the NBA unfortunately came 5-10 years too late.

this needs to stop. Biyombo is not some mythical unicorn that can defend all positions. if he was, he would not have been without a contract when we got him. He can handle a short spurt switching on D, but if a good wing or guard backed out for a second and reset with Biyombo guarding him, he would blow past him.

This is 100% accurate. Biyombo was average on defense imo. He cant hedge ball handlers either, his "good defense" is dependent on our wings playing good defense. The way people hype him up around here you'd think he was Ben Wallace and other teams were just stupid and let him go. Dudes a career back and always will be. Also, scoring isn't irrelevant, especially on this team. That's absurd. Who invented this notion that scoring the basketball is irrelevant. That's only something Biyombo fans would say.
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Re: What eight Magicians would you protect in a expansion draft? 

Post#46 » by drsd » Thu Aug 24, 2017 10:46 am

Orlando Magic second-round pick Tyler Harvey was taken in the G-League expansion draft Wednesday by the Wisconsin Herd, the Milwaukee Bucks’ G-League affiliate. If Harvey returns to the G-League, the Wisconsin Herd will own his G-League rights, rather than the Lakeland Magic.


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But the team losing his G-League rights does not mean the Magic have lost his NBA rights. G-League rights operate separately from NBA rights.



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Re: What eight Magicians would you protect in a expansion draft? 

Post#47 » by Blue_and_Whte » Thu Aug 24, 2017 3:11 pm

drsd wrote:
Orlando Magic second-round pick Tyler Harvey was taken in the G-League expansion draft Wednesday by the Wisconsin Herd, the Milwaukee Bucks’ G-League affiliate. If Harvey returns to the G-League, the Wisconsin Herd will own his G-League rights, rather than the Lakeland Magic.


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But the team losing his G-League rights does not mean the Magic have lost his NBA rights. G-League rights operate separately from NBA rights.



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Re: What eight Magicians would you protect in a expansion draft? 

Post#48 » by No-Man » Sun Aug 27, 2017 12:49 pm

Isaac
Gordon
Payton
Hezonja
Ross
Simmons
Fournier
Birch

Pretty easy

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