Bull may get rid of Portis

[Def Swami]

Getting rid of Biz and DJ's contract should definitely be the priority for management. It'll probably require attaching a quality player to them to do it. The Magic can't sustain any flexibility with $29 million locked up in centers, the majority of which is occupied by a back up center. The Magic will have to move contracts if they plan on keeping Payton and Gordon. Otherwise they're locking themselves into cap-strapped mediocrity. This team isn't talented enough to commit to.

[PennytoShaq]

We don't need Vuc and Biz either, but you are going to have to take back a contract to get rid of Biz and Lopez's is cheaper and shorter.
No it's not a major shakeup, Mario is going nowhere except back to Europe if he doesn't figure things out. And getting rid of both Biz and DJ's contracts is a + in anyone's book. It does make sense, to shed those salaries. Quit hating on the trade just because there are no stars involved.

It has nothing to do with stars. It's just a bad trade that doesn't really do much at all for the Magic. And again, the main focus is "yay, we get rid of biz's deal", which is not a great reason to make a trade right now.

SURE IT DOES, SHEDS BIZ AND DJ's CONTRACTS.

You just proved my point..lol.

[Nemesis21]

It has nothing to do with stars. It's just a bad trade that doesn't really do much at all for the Magic. And again, the main focus is "yay, we get rid of biz's deal", which is not a great reason to make a trade right now.

SURE IT DOES, SHEDS BIZ AND DJ's CONTRACTS.

You just proved my point..lol.

Hmm well look at that, the post above yours, agrees that getting out from Biz and DJ's contracts should be a top priority. And to do so, we may need to add on a Hezonja, a Ross to make things happen. Hmm guess I'm not as clueless as you are trying to make me out to be.

[PennytoShaq]

I don't think he agrees with your trade at all.

EDIT : He doesn't. Sorry.

[PennytoShaq]

Getting rid of Biz and DJ's contract should definitely be the priority for management. It'll probably require attaching a quality player to them to do it. The Magic can't sustain any flexibility with $29 million locked up in centers, the majority of which is occupied by a back up center. The Magic will have to move contracts if they plan on keeping Payton and Gordon. Otherwise they're locking themselves into cap-strapped mediocrity. This team isn't talented enough to commit to.

Sure, in a smart trade. It does the Magic no good to move Biz and lose Ross and receive a guy like Carrol back. Whats the point? Carrol is due 14mm next year and Lopez is due 27mm over the next 2 years. Additionally, in that trade the Magic would still be paying a Center at least 12mm to be backup.

Please explain to me how that frees up flexibility for resigning Gordon and Elf.

[Xatticus]

Getting rid of Biz and DJ's contract should definitely be the priority for management. It'll probably require attaching a quality player to them to do it. The Magic can't sustain any flexibility with $29 million locked up in centers, the majority of which is occupied by a back up center. The Magic will have to move contracts if they plan on keeping Payton and Gordon. Otherwise they're locking themselves into cap-strapped mediocrity. This team isn't talented enough to commit to.

While this is true, I'd still extend Gordon or Payton if I believe they will be worth the contracts they are given. Hennigan's last year of free agency is going to be a problem until those contracts expire. The best the new management can do is make the most of the money that they do spend. I was pleased with the way they used the space they had available this summer. As long as we are getting value for the money we spend, we will continue to improve and we will continue to accumulate assets that have trade value. While Simmons is the only one of our free agency additions that seems a certainty to be on next year's roster, some of the others have the potential to net an asset in return as the trade deadline approaches.

[Def Swami]

Getting rid of Biz and DJ's contract should definitely be the priority for management. It'll probably require attaching a quality player to them to do it. The Magic can't sustain any flexibility with $29 million locked up in centers, the majority of which is occupied by a back up center. The Magic will have to move contracts if they plan on keeping Payton and Gordon. Otherwise they're locking themselves into cap-strapped mediocrity. This team isn't talented enough to commit to.

Sure, in a smart trade. It does the Magic no good to move Biz and lose Ross and receive a guy like Carrol back. Whats the point? Carrol is due 14mm next year and Lopez is due 27mm over the next 2 years. Additionally, in that trade the Magic would still be paying a Center at least 12mm to be backup.

Please explain to me how that frees up flexibility for resigning Gordon and Elf.

Never said anything about taking on Carrol and Lopez. Simply agreeing that the Magic would be wise to explore trading Biz and DJ for expiring deals.

[PennytoShaq]

Getting rid of Biz and DJ's contract should definitely be the priority for management. It'll probably require attaching a quality player to them to do it. The Magic can't sustain any flexibility with $29 million locked up in centers, the majority of which is occupied by a back up center. The Magic will have to move contracts if they plan on keeping Payton and Gordon. Otherwise they're locking themselves into cap-strapped mediocrity. This team isn't talented enough to commit to.

Sure, in a smart trade. It does the Magic no good to move Biz and lose Ross and receive a guy like Carrol back. Whats the point? Carrol is due 14mm next year and Lopez is due 27mm over the next 2 years. Additionally, in that trade the Magic would still be paying a Center at least 12mm to be backup.

Please explain to me how that frees up flexibility for resigning Gordon and Elf.

Never said anything about taking on Carrol and Lopez. Simply agreeing that the Magic would be wise to explore trading Biz and DJ for expiring deals.

Ok, well thats what I suspected, and I agree. That is a no brainer.

[Nemesis21]

I don't think he agrees with your trade at all.

EDIT : He doesn't. Sorry.

I never said Def did. I said he agrees a top priority is getting out from under Biz and DJ's contracts and that to do so it may cost us Hezonja, Ross or another player. Never said Def agreed with the trade. Nice try though

[PennytoShaq]

The trade is bad. That is all I have said, and I stand by it. Not really trying anything, just stating reality.

[Nemesis21]

Oh please you were implying that shedding Biz and DJ are not important. Then when I pointed out that Def agrees on that and only that, you tried to flip it saying that I said he agrees with the trade. That is false.

I stand by it lol

[PennytoShaq]

Man, how hard is this to grasp? The point is that taking on the contracts you proposed does nothing for us in terms of shedding contracts. Just saying "hey we traded Biz and DJ" is meaningless when you bring back two guys who make 13-14mm over the next 2 years. How do you not grasp the difference?

It's a bad trade. It does nothing for the Magic in terms of Cap and kills continuity for zero reason. It's not the same as trading Biz for an expiring,which is a totally different story.

[cedric76]

Please

Portis is a better player and we r deep at sg/sf

[PennytoShaq]

We have too many SGs and C's, but not really any true SFs at all. There is not one true SF on this team.I think one reason is the FO wants to put their star player there, and they also see that Isaac can play the 3 while things get sorted out, and he could possibly be that star SF we need as well.

At PF, we are also thin. I say this because Mario was first off the bench, and that's not good. A straight up trade of Mario for Portis would be great for us since Mario is just not that good.

I understand the reasons people would not want Portis, but I'd take Portis over Mario 100% of the time. He would fit this team a lot better, IMO, and could also be a really nice C for us.