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Re: RE: Re: Game 10: Orlando Magic (6-3) vs Boston Celtics (7-2) 11/5 6PM ET 

Post#601 » by cedric76 » Tue Nov 7, 2017 7:51 am

shadrock wrote:
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shadrock wrote:10 games in, we are 6-4, which is a good start. We are two point guards down, and have learnt that having a serviceable PG is important, not exactly surprising. Lets not get too high or too low...



Speaking of high, were you high when you typed this? Is learnt a new word? :lol:


No its quite an old word, actually.



‘Learnt’ or ‘learned’?

These are alternative forms of the past tense and past participle of the verb learn. Both are acceptable, but learned is often used in both British English and American English, while learnt is much more common in British English than in American English.

We learned the news at about three o'clock.
They learnt the train times by heart.

Source: https://en.oxforddictionaries.com/usage/learnt-vs-learned

We use ' learnt' here
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Post#602 » by drsd » Tue Nov 7, 2017 7:59 am

cedric76 wrote:We use ' learnt' here


And:

burnt over burned, blest over blessed, clapt over clapped, spelt over spelled, spoilt over spoiled, etc.



(and pence is the plural of penny, not pennies)



(p.s. as an American in the UK, I always have a hard time accepting "spelt" as that is a form of wheat to me, not phonics).

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Re: RE: Re: Game 10: Orlando Magic (6-3) vs Boston Celtics (7-2) 11/5 6PM ET 

Post#603 » by BadMofoPimp » Tue Nov 7, 2017 12:31 pm

drsd wrote:
cedric76 wrote:We use ' learnt' here


And:

burnt over burned, blest over blessed, clapt over clapped, spelt over spelled, spoilt over spoiled, etc.



(and pence is the plural of penny, not pennies)



(p.s. as an American in the UK, I always have a hard time accepting "spelt" as that is a form of wheat to me, not phonics).

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Re: Game 10: Orlando Magic (6-3) vs Boston Celtics (7-2) 11/5 6PM ET 

Post#604 » by BadMofoPimp » Tue Nov 7, 2017 12:31 pm

Hey, does anyone know if we can send Bizmark down to the D-League for a month or two to get his confidence back?
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Post#605 » by Ducklett » Tue Nov 7, 2017 12:41 pm

BadMofoPimp wrote:Hey, does anyone know if we can send Bizmark down to the D-League for a month or two to get his confidence back?


I would personally, and this isn't an attempt to get myself a position in management, get NASA on the phone and trade him to the Mars Mission for some alien tech that will repair Elfrid.
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Re: Game 10: Orlando Magic (6-3) vs Boston Celtics (7-2) 11/5 6PM ET 

Post#606 » by Nemesis21 » Tue Nov 7, 2017 12:43 pm

BadMofoPimp wrote:Hey, does anyone know if we can send Bizmark down to the D-League for a month or two to get his confidence back?



That would be a waste of time, dude has less confidence than Mario.
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Re: Game 10: Orlando Magic (6-3) vs Boston Celtics (7-2) 11/5 6PM ET 

Post#607 » by John Murdoch » Tue Nov 7, 2017 1:37 pm

bigdogdylan5 wrote:Gordon is our best hope at a franchise player. I wish Vogel would trust him like Simmons and Fournier. He is gonna make mistakes but you live with it. If you guys are really saying we shouldn’t match offers for AG I don’t know what to say. Him and issac are our best future hopes and Vogel has them on training wheels

I think he trust Gordon now but Isaac likely does need the training wheels at least until post allstar break
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Re: Game 10: Orlando Magic (6-3) vs Boston Celtics (7-2) 11/5 6PM ET 

Post#608 » by OrlandO » Tue Nov 7, 2017 3:29 pm

BadMofoPimp wrote:Hey, does anyone know if we can send Bizmark down to the D-League for a month or two to get his confidence back?

What does he need confidence for... his job is to dunk when open near the basket and jump in the air when opposing scorers come near him.
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Post#609 » by drsd » Tue Nov 7, 2017 7:37 pm

BadMofoPimp wrote:Ya'll smoke Fags over there as we smoke Cigarettes.


The UK has basically stopped smoking actual tobacco, as eCigarettes are all one sees these days.
(and even that is being banned everywhere)


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Post#610 » by NavalAviator94 » Tue Nov 7, 2017 8:01 pm

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BadMofoPimp wrote:Hey, does anyone know if we can send Bizmark down to the D-League for a month or two to get his confidence back?

What does he need confidence for... his job is to dunk when open near the basket and jump in the air when opposing scorers come near him.


I'm going to add in that the second unit sucks because there is no ball movement. It's easy to have tunnel vision on the starting 5 considering we didn't have that Unit until late last year. However, we can walk and chew gum here COACHES.

Right now it's the Jonathan Simmons show - drive to the basket and rarely pass to an open team mate. Simmons is playing well individually, but when that second Unit is on the floor, he isn't making them a better unit.

Read this article on Steve Kerr revolutionizing the Warriors. It's a great article with some great nuggets like "300 passes a game" or an excerpt like this on sharing vs isolation.

On defense, the Warriors are stout, loaded with long-limbed forwards who can easily switch on any pick-and-roll. Kerr doesn't want to tinker with a squad that ranked third in defensive efficiency the season before. But offensively, they ranked 12th. Kerr knows that nine of the previous 10 NBA champs ranked in the top 10 in both categories. He'd told general manager Bob Myers that if they wanted to win a title, they'd need to do the same. Transitioning from heavy isolation to heavy passing and movement would be dramatic, but "there's a makeup in every player who's ever played," Kerr says, "that if you get to touch the ball and you get to be a part of the action -- whether it's as an assist man, ball mover, shooter, dribbler -- the more people who are involved in the offense, the more powerful it becomes."

http://www.espn.com/espn/feature/story/_/page/enterpriseWarriors/how-steve-kerr-revolutionized-golden-state-warriors-offense-charcuterie-board
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Post#611 » by Blue_and_Whte » Tue Nov 7, 2017 8:53 pm

BadMofoPimp wrote:Hey, does anyone know if we can send Bizmark down to the D-League for a month or two to get his confidence back?

He doesn't lack confidence he lacks skill and the D-League doesn't change that.
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Post#612 » by Blue_and_Whte » Tue Nov 7, 2017 8:58 pm

NavalAviator94 wrote:
OrlandO wrote:
BadMofoPimp wrote:Hey, does anyone know if we can send Bizmark down to the D-League for a month or two to get his confidence back?

What does he need confidence for... his job is to dunk when open near the basket and jump in the air when opposing scorers come near him.


I'm going to add in that the second unit sucks because there is no ball movement. It's easy to have tunnel vision on the starting 5 considering we didn't have that Unit until late last year. However, we can walk and chew gum here COACHES.

Right now it's the Jonathan Simmons show - drive to the basket and rarely pass to an open team mate. Simmons is playing well individually, but when that second Unit is on the floor, he isn't making them a better unit.

Read this article on Steve Kerr revolutionizing the Warriors. It's a great article with some great nuggets like "300 passes a game" or an excerpt like this on sharing vs isolation.

On defense, the Warriors are stout, loaded with long-limbed forwards who can easily switch on any pick-and-roll. Kerr doesn't want to tinker with a squad that ranked third in defensive efficiency the season before. But offensively, they ranked 12th. Kerr knows that nine of the previous 10 NBA champs ranked in the top 10 in both categories. He'd told general manager Bob Myers that if they wanted to win a title, they'd need to do the same. Transitioning from heavy isolation to heavy passing and movement would be dramatic, but "there's a makeup in every player who's ever played," Kerr says, "that if you get to touch the ball and you get to be a part of the action -- whether it's as an assist man, ball mover, shooter, dribbler -- the more people who are involved in the offense, the more powerful it becomes."

http://www.espn.com/espn/feature/story/_/page/enterpriseWarriors/how-steve-kerr-revolutionized-golden-state-warriors-offense-charcuterie-board

Exactly I pointed that out a little bit ago. The game plan dramatically changes with the second unit. When the clock is running down Vogels play is to let Simmons go one on one instead of continuing to move the ball to try and get the best shot possible. Easier said than done when you have Biz and Mario in there with you.
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Post#613 » by NavalAviator94 » Tue Nov 7, 2017 9:15 pm

Blue_and_Whte wrote:
NavalAviator94 wrote:
OrlandO wrote:What does he need confidence for... his job is to dunk when open near the basket and jump in the air when opposing scorers come near him.


I'm going to add in that the second unit sucks because there is no ball movement. It's easy to have tunnel vision on the starting 5 considering we didn't have that Unit until late last year. However, we can walk and chew gum here COACHES.

Right now it's the Jonathan Simmons show - drive to the basket and rarely pass to an open team mate. Simmons is playing well individually, but when that second Unit is on the floor, he isn't making them a better unit.

Read this article on Steve Kerr revolutionizing the Warriors. It's a great article with some great nuggets like "300 passes a game" or an excerpt like this on sharing vs isolation.

On defense, the Warriors are stout, loaded with long-limbed forwards who can easily switch on any pick-and-roll. Kerr doesn't want to tinker with a squad that ranked third in defensive efficiency the season before. But offensively, they ranked 12th. Kerr knows that nine of the previous 10 NBA champs ranked in the top 10 in both categories. He'd told general manager Bob Myers that if they wanted to win a title, they'd need to do the same. Transitioning from heavy isolation to heavy passing and movement would be dramatic, but "there's a makeup in every player who's ever played," Kerr says, "that if you get to touch the ball and you get to be a part of the action -- whether it's as an assist man, ball mover, shooter, dribbler -- the more people who are involved in the offense, the more powerful it becomes."

http://www.espn.com/espn/feature/story/_/page/enterpriseWarriors/how-steve-kerr-revolutionized-golden-state-warriors-offense-charcuterie-board

Exactly I pointed that out a little bit ago. The game plan dramatically changes with the second unit. When the clock is running down Vogels play is to let Simmons go one on one instead of continuing to move the ball to try and get the best shot possible. Easier said than done when you have Biz and Mario in there with you.


And Simmons is turning the ball over more as a result.

We can debate Mario's defense but the guy is shooting the ball well in an environment that doesn't lead itself to get a rhythm. Mario sees the floor, can make great passes and shoot the 3. Take advantage of what the guy can do and create a better offense.

Who knows what that second Unit could achieve if they are passing the ball for the best shot, getting everyone involved. Certainly better than what they are.
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Re: Game 10: Orlando Magic (6-3) vs Boston Celtics (7-2) 11/5 6PM ET 

Post#614 » by OrlandO » Tue Nov 7, 2017 9:17 pm

Blue_and_Whte wrote:
NavalAviator94 wrote:
OrlandO wrote:What does he need confidence for... his job is to dunk when open near the basket and jump in the air when opposing scorers come near him.


I'm going to add in that the second unit sucks because there is no ball movement. It's easy to have tunnel vision on the starting 5 considering we didn't have that Unit until late last year. However, we can walk and chew gum here COACHES.

Right now it's the Jonathan Simmons show - drive to the basket and rarely pass to an open team mate. Simmons is playing well individually, but when that second Unit is on the floor, he isn't making them a better unit.

Read this article on Steve Kerr revolutionizing the Warriors. It's a great article with some great nuggets like "300 passes a game" or an excerpt like this on sharing vs isolation.

On defense, the Warriors are stout, loaded with long-limbed forwards who can easily switch on any pick-and-roll. Kerr doesn't want to tinker with a squad that ranked third in defensive efficiency the season before. But offensively, they ranked 12th. Kerr knows that nine of the previous 10 NBA champs ranked in the top 10 in both categories. He'd told general manager Bob Myers that if they wanted to win a title, they'd need to do the same. Transitioning from heavy isolation to heavy passing and movement would be dramatic, but "there's a makeup in every player who's ever played," Kerr says, "that if you get to touch the ball and you get to be a part of the action -- whether it's as an assist man, ball mover, shooter, dribbler -- the more people who are involved in the offense, the more powerful it becomes."

http://www.espn.com/espn/feature/story/_/page/enterpriseWarriors/how-steve-kerr-revolutionized-golden-state-warriors-offense-charcuterie-board

Exactly I pointed that out a little bit ago. The game plan dramatically changes with the second unit. When the clock is running down Vogels play is to let Simmons go one on one instead of continuing to move the ball to try and get the best shot possible. Easier said than done when you have Biz and Mario in there with you.

It's why I want to see Speights out there. Gives Simmons more room to operate and he gets an out on the perimeter. Simmons is not known for being a selfless passer, but a quarter of his total assists have been to speights 3 pointers... and that's in just 30 minutes of floor time together. Some good chemistry potential there.

if Biz wants to start hustling like a minimum salary player hungry for a big contract then that would be helpful to our bench... but if he continues down this path of looking like a third string stiff then we might as well bench him because his value is going to be shot anyway. Not like we'd be playing zimmerman. Speights is a legit backup C who has played on good teams for like 5 years.

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