Game 16: Utah Jazz @ Orlando Magic (7:00 PM EST)

[j-ragg]

And the problem we have now is that we are too good to tank but not good enough to contend or even draw in top free agents. It's a tough spot to be in, guys are reaching an age where they are going to want to win but even if we trade them to contenders or wannabe contenders they haven't done much here and won't get a good return value.

Same spot ever since the 2013 draft unfortunately. Can’t make the playoffs but have too many decent players to get a top 3 pick.

[bargnanimvp]

And the problem we have now is that we are too good to tank but not good enough to contend or even draw in top free agents. It's a tough spot to be in, guys are reaching an age where they are going to want to win but even if we trade them to contenders or wannabe contenders they haven't done much here and won't get a good return value.

Same spot ever since the 2013 draft unfortunately. Can’t make the playoffs but have too many decent players to get a top 3 pick.

Pretty much, worse though in my opinion because our guys have aged and we don't have dipo/harris anymore. I felt previously we had enough young 'maybe good' talent that we could have put a big package together for a blow up. Now i'm not sure how we would go about blowing up this team or fixing this team other than Isaac and AG just becoming total beasts.

[npiper17]

And the problem we have now is that we are too good to tank but not good enough to contend or even draw in top free agents. It's a tough spot to be in, guys are reaching an age where they are going to want to win but even if we trade them to contenders or wannabe contenders they haven't done much here and won't get a good return value.

Same spot ever since the 2013 draft unfortunately. Can’t make the playoffs but have too many decent players to get a top 3 pick.

I suppose the one silver lining is that Weltham have proven adept at finding good players later in the first round.

[Def Swami]

It's impressive how far the Magic have fallen off these last 4 games. The hot start was the byproduct of unselfish ball movement and amazing shot making. Everyone said the shooting wouldn't hold up, and it's finally come back down to Earth. But it seems like the effort on the defensive end has completely tanked as well. We were probably never as good as the top 10 defense, given that we were giving up a lot of 3 point shots, but teams percentages were low. Teams are shooting well against us now and the Magic are ending up in holes in games, and they're struggling to shoot. As a result, the offense becomes stagnant and players try to dig out of it by themselves. It was such a stark contrast to see the Magic make 1 pass and take contested shots or Payton drive 1 on 5 in the half court, while the Jazz actually played with a purpose in which all 5 players were constantly either moving or screening.

The Magic are still .500, which is about where you'd want them to be at this point. But the trends aren't looking great. The team has it in them to play well on offense and defense. We saw it for the first 10ish games.

But 40 point loss at home to a the Jazz B team that hasn't won a road game and is on the back end of a back to back is a really bad look.

[basketballRob]

It's impressive how far the Magic have fallen off these last 4 games. The hot start was the byproduct of unselfish ball movement and amazing shot making. Everyone said the shooting wouldn't hold up, and it's finally come back down to Earth. But it seems like the effort on the defensive end has completely tanked as well. We were probably never as good as the top 10 defense, given that we were giving up a lot of 3 point shots, but teams percentages were low. Teams are shooting well against us now and the Magic are ending up in holes in games, and they're struggling to shoot. As a result, the offense becomes stagnant and players try to dig out of it by themselves. It was such a stark contrast to see the Magic make 1 pass and take contested shots or Payton drive 1 on 5 in the half court, while the Jazz actually played with a purpose in which all 5 players were constantly either moving or screening.

The Magic are still .500, which is about where you'd want them to be at this point. But the trends aren't looking great. The team has it in them to play well on offense and defense. We saw it for the first 10ish games.

But 40 point loss at home to a the Jazz B team that hasn't won a road game and is on the back end of a back to back is a really bad look.

0-4 without Isaac.

[Def Swami]

It's impressive how far the Magic have fallen off these last 4 games. The hot start was the byproduct of unselfish ball movement and amazing shot making. Everyone said the shooting wouldn't hold up, and it's finally come back down to Earth. But it seems like the effort on the defensive end has completely tanked as well. We were probably never as good as the top 10 defense, given that we were giving up a lot of 3 point shots, but teams percentages were low. Teams are shooting well against us now and the Magic are ending up in holes in games, and they're struggling to shoot. As a result, the offense becomes stagnant and players try to dig out of it by themselves. It was such a stark contrast to see the Magic make 1 pass and take contested shots or Payton drive 1 on 5 in the half court, while the Jazz actually played with a purpose in which all 5 players were constantly either moving or screening.

The Magic are still .500, which is about where you'd want them to be at this point. But the trends aren't looking great. The team has it in them to play well on offense and defense. We saw it for the first 10ish games.

But 40 point loss at home to a the Jazz B team that hasn't won a road game and is on the back end of a back to back is a really bad look.

0-4 without Isaac.

Isaac is good. He's not 40 point deficit good.

[basketballRob]

It's impressive how far the Magic have fallen off these last 4 games. The hot start was the byproduct of unselfish ball movement and amazing shot making. Everyone said the shooting wouldn't hold up, and it's finally come back down to Earth. But it seems like the effort on the defensive end has completely tanked as well. We were probably never as good as the top 10 defense, given that we were giving up a lot of 3 point shots, but teams percentages were low. Teams are shooting well against us now and the Magic are ending up in holes in games, and they're struggling to shoot. As a result, the offense becomes stagnant and players try to dig out of it by themselves. It was such a stark contrast to see the Magic make 1 pass and take contested shots or Payton drive 1 on 5 in the half court, while the Jazz actually played with a purpose in which all 5 players were constantly either moving or screening.

The Magic are still .500, which is about where you'd want them to be at this point. But the trends aren't looking great. The team has it in them to play well on offense and defense. We saw it for the first 10ish games.

But 40 point loss at home to a the Jazz B team that hasn't won a road game and is on the back end of a back to back is a really bad look.

0-4 without Isaac.

Isaac is good. He's not 40 point deficit good.

Just looking into the 4 losses with Isaac. 3 of them we were without DJ and EP, the 4th game we were without Gordon and EP for a half.

[Optimus_Steel]

I thought we be fine last night since we have both Elfrid and Augustin. But there is some impact with no Isaac playing, Isaac is a presence when he's on the court.

If I was to go to a g league or nba game this year, I was thinking about a Orlando magic home team when we are winning but now I be more likely to go see our Lakeland team than our NBA team and I probably will want to go to at least 1 UCF basketball game.

last hope so now its Isaac the savior
last week it was Elfrid 2 days ago it was DJ
we are running out of savior players

40pt loss, Issac wouldn’t have mattered.


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[bargnanimvp]

It's impressive how far the Magic have fallen off these last 4 games. The hot start was the byproduct of unselfish ball movement and amazing shot making. Everyone said the shooting wouldn't hold up, and it's finally come back down to Earth. But it seems like the effort on the defensive end has completely tanked as well. We were probably never as good as the top 10 defense, given that we were giving up a lot of 3 point shots, but teams percentages were low. Teams are shooting well against us now and the Magic are ending up in holes in games, and they're struggling to shoot. As a result, the offense becomes stagnant and players try to dig out of it by themselves. It was such a stark contrast to see the Magic make 1 pass and take contested shots or Payton drive 1 on 5 in the half court, while the Jazz actually played with a purpose in which all 5 players were constantly either moving or screening.

The Magic are still .500, which is about where you'd want them to be at this point. But the trends aren't looking great. The team has it in them to play well on offense and defense. We saw it for the first 10ish games.

But 40 point loss at home to a the Jazz B team that hasn't won a road game and is on the back end of a back to back is a really bad look.

0-4 without Isaac.

Isaac is good. He's not 40 point deficit good.

you can't prove he wouldn't have dropped 40+ points if he played though can you! #doyourownresearch #fakenews

[PennytoShaq]

Isaac makes a big difference for us. Would not have won the Jazz game, but I honestly think he is one of the best players on this team already.

[SD2042]

Frankly I think we always blame the coach because it’s so easy to do. Fire the coach and that will fix all our problems! There are only three coaches I think are of any value in this league pop svg and Stevens the rest are about the same. We need better players, not our 5th coach in like 6 years

It gets tiring when the coach continues to get replaced. Especially when it's the Magic. I'm not a strong Vogal advocate due to his lack of imagination for Xs' and Os. It's time to re-evaluate the players on the roster and determine who's worth keeping and who's worth trading if you're the GMs in charge. How do you expect your players to develop into whatever expectations the organization has in mind for them when the revolving doors for coaches are still turning?

[Orlando_kingdom]

0-4 without Isaac.

Isaac is good. He's not 40 point deficit good.

you can't prove he wouldn't have dropped 40+ points if he played though can you! #doyourownresearch #fakenews

starting 5 defence is a problem,,,,,,,,,,,,

[dsg2021]

They are just frustrated lately. Its clear to see. Maybe they really wanted to put on the expectations of a 50+ win team when it really might be more of a 42+ win year maybe.

For sure though, the passing has to pick back up. I fully believe the wins are predicated on the quantity and quality of passing, which means there should also be more cuts, staggered screens, drives into open spaces. 5 passes before a shot!!))

[Optimus_Steel]

They are just frustrated lately. Its clear to see. Maybe they really wanted to put on the expectations of a 50+ win team when it really might be more of a 42+ win year maybe.

For sure though, the passing has to pick back up. I fully believe the wins are predicated on the quantity and quality of passing, which means there should also be more cuts, staggered screens, drives into open spaces. 5 passes before a shot!!))

Right now it looks more like a 32 win team. Its alarming as to how easily they shutdown and go thru the motions. At the latest sign of pushback they go one on one and crash with a thud and it happens quickly. If the defense decides to get serious we are screwed. They got to grow some cojones and man up, you dont get wins by just putting on a jersey.

[bigdogdylan5]

Frankly I think we always blame the coach because it’s so easy to do. Fire the coach and that will fix all our problems! There are only three coaches I think are of any value in this league pop svg and Stevens the rest are about the same. We need better players, not our 5th coach in like 6 years

It gets tiring when the coach continues to get replaced. Especially when it's the Magic. I'm not a strong Vogal advocate due to his lack of imagination for Xs' and Os. It's time to re-evaluate the players on the roster and determine who's worth keeping and who's worth trading if you're the GMs in charge. How do you expect your players to develop into whatever expectations the organization has in mind for them when the revolving doors for coaches are still turning?

I have kinda done a 180 on this seeing now that Vogel wants to blame all losing on our best future player. I think a way around that problem is to fire Vogel and just hire Forcier