"Trade Bait Showcase #1" Game 30: (Trailblazers @ Orlando Magic, 7:00 PM EST)

[The Other Ankle]

I don't see Vuc as an all or nothing option. He's still a strong rebounder and good scorer, but that doesn't mean he needs to be featured. Again, I think he's neither as good as some nor as bad as others - he's just a solid piece and should be treated that way.

STOP.

MAKING.

SENSE!

except he isnt a strong rebounder every game. He has been good in december at 12 rpg, but otherwise he has been at 8 rpg. And with Evan not a great rebounder at SF and our SG's not rebounding well, there is no good reason he shouldnt be averaging 10+ the entire year

So a post implying that the impulse to paint one player as hero or goat for our franchise is MISPLACED, FRUITLESS, and ANNOYING gets quoted with some hand-waiving analysis about how he doesn't always get double digit rebounds...

Please, continue! This is fascinating stuff!

[tiderulz]

STOP.

MAKING.

SENSE!

except he isnt a strong rebounder every game. He has been good in december at 12 rpg, but otherwise he has been at 8 rpg. And with Evan not a great rebounder at SF and our SG's not rebounding well, there is no good reason he shouldnt be averaging 10+ the entire year

So a post implying that the impulse to paint one player as hero or goat for our franchise is MISPLACED, FRUITLESS, and ANNOYING gets quoted with some hand-waiving analysis about how he doesn't always get double digit rebounds...

Please, continue! This is fascinating stuff!

he used to be a strong rebounder. But since he moved his offensive game outside the key, becoming a less efficient scorer, his rebounds have also gone down. It isnt "hand-waiving analysis", its the fact of how his game has changed.

[Bensational]

STOP.

MAKING.

SENSE!

except he isnt a strong rebounder every game. He has been good in december at 12 rpg, but otherwise he has been at 8 rpg. And with Evan not a great rebounder at SF and our SG's not rebounding well, there is no good reason he shouldnt be averaging 10+ the entire year

So a post implying that the impulse to paint one player as hero or goat for our franchise is MISPLACED, FRUITLESS, and ANNOYING gets quoted with some hand-waiving analysis about how he doesn't always get double digit rebounds...

Please, continue! This is fascinating stuff!

You need to start actually trying to contribute to these discussions rather than just taking pot shots from the sidelines.

It's funny how sensitive some posters get over the Vuc topic, considering none of them are prepared to describe him as any kind of essential player. Especially when you consider that if this team manages to improve and add proper elite talent, knocking Vuc down the totem pole, then he more or less becomes a role playing C for defense and rebounding purposes - and we should all know by now he's not the defensive C type.

[The Other Ankle]

except he isnt a strong rebounder every game. He has been good in december at 12 rpg, but otherwise he has been at 8 rpg. And with Evan not a great rebounder at SF and our SG's not rebounding well, there is no good reason he shouldnt be averaging 10+ the entire year

So a post implying that the impulse to paint one player as hero or goat for our franchise is MISPLACED, FRUITLESS, and ANNOYING gets quoted with some hand-waiving analysis about how he doesn't always get double digit rebounds...

Please, continue! This is fascinating stuff!

You need to start actually trying to contribute to these discussions rather than just taking pot shots from the sidelines.

It's funny how sensitive some posters get over the Vuc topic, considering none of them are prepared to describe him as any kind of essential player. Especially when you consider that if this team manages to improve and add proper elite talent, knocking Vuc down the totem pole, then he more or less becomes a role playing C for defense and rebounding purposes - and we should all know by now he's not the defensive C type.

You need to realize your own obsessions on this topic quit being contributions long ago.

It's a burden on any discussion and you should either stop outright or resign as a mod so you can be muted in the standard way.

[Bensational]

So a post implying that the impulse to paint one player as hero or goat for our franchise is MISPLACED, FRUITLESS, and ANNOYING gets quoted with some hand-waiving analysis about how he doesn't always get double digit rebounds...

Please, continue! This is fascinating stuff!

You need to start actually trying to contribute to these discussions rather than just taking pot shots from the sidelines.

It's funny how sensitive some posters get over the Vuc topic, considering none of them are prepared to describe him as any kind of essential player. Especially when you consider that if this team manages to improve and add proper elite talent, knocking Vuc down the totem pole, then he more or less becomes a role playing C for defense and rebounding purposes - and we should all know by now he's not the defensive C type.

You need to realize your own obsessions on this topic quit being contributions long ago.

It's a burden on any discussion and you should either stop outright or resign as a mod so you can be muted in the standard way.

You obviously don't want to discuss basketball with me, so why bother engaging in conversations with me? If you need the mute function to be able to resist the temptation to make snide remarks from the sidelines then you need to grow up.

I'm here to discuss basketball, and I'll continue to do so. You've got no right to insist any poster, myself or otherwise, needs to stop trying to discuss a topic. So find a way to deal with it, or move on.

If you want to continue to derail topics, then you'll get a warning and suspensions for any consequent disruptions. But if you want to talk basketball, I'm down for it.

[The Other Ankle]

You need to start actually trying to contribute to these discussions rather than just taking pot shots from the sidelines.

It's funny how sensitive some posters get over the Vuc topic, considering none of them are prepared to describe him as any kind of essential player. Especially when you consider that if this team manages to improve and add proper elite talent, knocking Vuc down the totem pole, then he more or less becomes a role playing C for defense and rebounding purposes - and we should all know by now he's not the defensive C type.

You need to realize your own obsessions on this topic quit being contributions long ago.

It's a burden on any discussion and you should either stop outright or resign as a mod so you can be muted in the standard way.

You obviously don't want to discuss basketball with me, so why bother engaging in conversations with me? If you need the mute function to be able to resist the temptation to make snide remarks from the sidelines then you need to grow up.

I'm here to discuss basketball, and I'll continue to do so. You've got no right to insist any poster, myself or otherwise, needs to stop trying to discuss a topic. So find a way to deal with it, or move on.

If you want to continue to derail topics, then you'll get a warning and suspensions for any consequent disruptions. But if you want to talk basketball, I'm down for it.

Or you could acknowledge that pointing out that any poster who beats a dead horse with his opinion is subject to having that pointed out.

Then you can put it up to the community whether it's remotely appropriate to threaten any rule-based sanction to support your "position".

Without attacking you or breaking any rules whatsoever, I have made it clear that the way you harp on your opinion can be an absolute detraction from discussion between fans here on this forum. You lack objectivity on certain pet subjects and repeat yourself endlessly in a way that I would normally just use the Foe feature to suppress. That's the implemented solution to not wanting to have discussions derailed or re-hashed.

I'm quite sure that the reasoning behind not being able to mute mods in these threads included the assumption that
A) You would not be an irritant yourself, and
B) You would exhibit some sort of maturity if it is pointed out that you are yourself detracting from enjoyable use of the forum.

Instead, you want to threaten warnings and suspensions, which only further demonstrates your lack of objectivity.

You are the one who needs to demonstrate some sort of self-control in what you post, or you simply shouldn't claim to "Moderate" this board.

[MagicStarwipe]

You need to realize your own obsessions on this topic quit being contributions long ago.

It's a burden on any discussion and you should either stop outright or resign as a mod so you can be muted in the standard way.

You obviously don't want to discuss basketball with me, so why bother engaging in conversations with me? If you need the mute function to be able to resist the temptation to make snide remarks from the sidelines then you need to grow up.

I'm here to discuss basketball, and I'll continue to do so. You've got no right to insist any poster, myself or otherwise, needs to stop trying to discuss a topic. So find a way to deal with it, or move on.

If you want to continue to derail topics, then you'll get a warning and suspensions for any consequent disruptions. But if you want to talk basketball, I'm down for it.

Or you could acknowledge that pointing out that any poster who beats a dead horse with his opinion is subject to having that pointed out.

Then you can put it up to the community whether it's remotely appropriate to threaten any rule-based sanction to support your "position".

Without attacking you or breaking any rules whatsoever, I have made it clear that the way you harp on your opinion can be an absolute detraction from discussion between fans here on this forum. You lack objectivity on certain pet subjects and repeat yourself endlessly in a way that I would normally just use the Foe feature to suppress. That's the implemented solution to not wanting to have discussions derailed or re-hashed.

I'm quite sure that the reasoning behind not being able to mute mods in these threads included the assumption that
A) You would not be an irritant yourself, and
B) You would exhibit some sort of maturity if it is pointed out that you are yourself detracting from enjoyable use of the forum.

Instead, you want to threaten warnings and suspensions, which only further demonstrates your lack of objectivity.

You are the one who needs to demonstrate some sort of self-control in what you post, or you simply shouldn't claim to "Moderate" this board.

I don't know why you're singling out Ben for this when most posters here are guilty of the same thing.

[The Other Ankle]

You obviously don't want to discuss basketball with me, so why bother engaging in conversations with me? If you need the mute function to be able to resist the temptation to make snide remarks from the sidelines then you need to grow up.

I'm here to discuss basketball, and I'll continue to do so. You've got no right to insist any poster, myself or otherwise, needs to stop trying to discuss a topic. So find a way to deal with it, or move on.

If you want to continue to derail topics, then you'll get a warning and suspensions for any consequent disruptions. But if you want to talk basketball, I'm down for it.

Or you could acknowledge that pointing out that any poster who beats a dead horse with his opinion is subject to having that pointed out.

Then you can put it up to the community whether it's remotely appropriate to threaten any rule-based sanction to support your "position".

Without attacking you or breaking any rules whatsoever, I have made it clear that the way you harp on your opinion can be an absolute detraction from discussion between fans here on this forum. You lack objectivity on certain pet subjects and repeat yourself endlessly in a way that I would normally just use the Foe feature to suppress. That's the implemented solution to not wanting to have discussions derailed or re-hashed.

I'm quite sure that the reasoning behind not being able to mute mods in these threads included the assumption that
A) You would not be an irritant yourself, and
B) You would exhibit some sort of maturity if it is pointed out that you are yourself detracting from enjoyable use of the forum.

Instead, you want to threaten warnings and suspensions, which only further demonstrates your lack of objectivity.

You are the one who needs to demonstrate some sort of self-control in what you post, or you simply shouldn't claim to "Moderate" this board.

I don't know why you're singling out Ben for this when most posters here are guilty of the same thing.

Because Ben is a moderator. He should have some level of objectivity and restraint.

Because he can't be muted with the foe feature which is intended to deal with uninteresting and repetitive content.

Because he harps on rather than taking a hint, then instigates these responses with diatribes about how others should take his opinions.

If Ben's opinions are getting in the way of performing an official function, and he can't "moderate" his own behavior when he is obviously being divisive, then he should join the regular posters like the rest of us rather than threatening to sanction us with warnings and suspensions.

[Bensational]

Or you could acknowledge that pointing out that any poster who beats a dead horse with his opinion is subject to having that pointed out.

Then you can put it up to the community whether it's remotely appropriate to threaten any rule-based sanction to support your "position".

Without attacking you or breaking any rules whatsoever, I have made it clear that the way you harp on your opinion can be an absolute detraction from discussion between fans here on this forum. You lack objectivity on certain pet subjects and repeat yourself endlessly in a way that I would normally just use the Foe feature to suppress. That's the implemented solution to not wanting to have discussions derailed or re-hashed.

I'm quite sure that the reasoning behind not being able to mute mods in these threads included the assumption that
A) You would not be an irritant yourself, and
B) You would exhibit some sort of maturity if it is pointed out that you are yourself detracting from enjoyable use of the forum.

Instead, you want to threaten warnings and suspensions, which only further demonstrates your lack of objectivity.

You are the one who needs to demonstrate some sort of self-control in what you post, or you simply shouldn't claim to "Moderate" this board.

You're confusing my role as a moderator with my right to have an opinion as any other poster would. All I'm here to do as a mod is keep the forum on track and on topic, and to police any inappropriate posts. That's it.

As a poster, I'm here to discuss basketball. Vucevic's place on the team will be an ongoing topic as long as he's on the team. If you don't want to be involved in those discussions, then don't be. If my posts annoy you, don't read them. If you disagree with them, then point out the reasons why.

Now, as a moderator, here's my suggestion on how you should handle yourself going forwards. Since we've established you can't mute me, and that you feel the topic of Vucevic is a resolved matter, then there's no reason you should be looking to get involved anyway. But if you make the choice to get involved - that's on you. How you choose to participate is also on you. And lately, on this matter, you haven't been contributing in any constructive manner.

I'm not going to resign from being a moderator just because my opinion irritates you. If you want to continue discussing this, take it to PMs, with me or any other moderator. By continuing this discussion on the board you're violating Rule 3, by derailing a conversation. By making passive aggressive remarks, you're violating Rule 4. And by telling me that I need to resign just so you can use the mute function, you're violating Rule 5, with back-seat moderating.

The only reason I'm posting this here and not through PMs is to clarify for anyone else who can't distinguish the difference between my role as a moderator and my role as a poster.

Again, keep it on topic, or keep it off the boards. Last warning.

[Skybox]

Actually, based on the rest of this board, Vuc will be a BIGGER topic on this board AFTER he's traded and has a good week. This will go on in perpetuity.

[Blue_and_Whte]

Yeah I should have emphasized that on my original post. He shies away from contact in the paint.

Nik is what he is and still the best player on the team despite his limitations. He steps up his game and he's limiting Payton. But if he doesn't then he's terrible. I've come to terms with people's irrational hate. It'll never be enough.

People want a center that protects the rim, an elite scorer in the post while being able to shoot threes and get to the line, elite rebounder on both sides of the ball, and good passer..basically people want Hakeem Olajuwon and because Nik isn't that then he's terrible. Seems fair /green

I don’t understand the sarcastic hyperbole you had to go to here. This wasn’t a hate post at all, it was a pretty straight forward critique of Vuc’s game.

I didn't think it was a hate post nor was I responding to it like it was so I regret it looking like that. I was simply making a point towards his post the making a general statement about the board which was actually pretty spot on.

He literally does 98% of the things you ask the best player on the team to do but one or two limitations completely negates everything for some reason.
There are players with much bigger flaws who could and probably should be considered more at fault for our losses if you're into playing the blame game which I'm not.




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[The Other Ankle]

MOD EDIT: If you want to continue this discussion, take it to PMs.

[MagicMadness]

MOD EDIT: If you want to continue this discussion, take it to PMs.

If you have a problem with how a mod is doing their job, you can certainly express it without being rude and disrespectful.

None of us are trying to force our opinions on others, nor suppressing opposing views.