AG is going to become the next Dipo

[VFX]

I think its also a common misconception that Gordon "fanboys" as you call it wanted the ball in AG's hands for him to just go and create and take step back 3's and long twos. What people wanted was for AG to have a consistent role in the offense and for him to get the touches that Evan and Vuc did. I wanted those to be the right touches though (cutting to the basket, open 3 pointers, Alley oops, etc) and to introduce the other additions to his game when necessary but that's not what we have gotten. Every player that has expanded his game offensively like AG has is going to take his lumps but its up to the coaching staff to reign him in and make sure he's still doing the things he's great at and not primarily just asked to sit on the perimeter and create for himself.

If Vogel is here for another year than it's almost as good as AG just walking because we will continue to hurt his development.

While I agree AGs development has been hurt by Vogel I also believe AG is a system player at best. Meaning that his growth and ability is fully dependent upon being in a good situation. He isn’t the kind of player that takes over regardless of his situation. Period.

The roster has never been balanced for as long as AG has been here. Outside of Evan, the majority of the offense has been run through Vuc and the spacing has been atrocious having to accommodate a guard that can’t shoot.

Back to the question. Is AG the next Dipo? Only if he is traded to a legitimate team as a luxury third option to hide his inability to create. The reason Oladipo is flourishing in Indiana is because he “learned how to be a pro” in OKC (his words) and immediately became the alpha on a luke-warm Indiana squad. Pretty much seemlesly filling in where Paul George left off. I mean... who is even their second option? Myles Turner?

The reason why AG is better traded to me is simple... I doubt we land a player in the draft (that being the only way) that will be able to highlight AGs game enough to make him effective and worth whatever contract he is likely handed this off-season. Moreover, he is the only player on the roster that has enough “potential” value of being able to blow this sh** show up for good.

[fendilim]

AG will be the next Dipo if he plays the Shawn Marion role. But if he continues playing like this... I highly doubt it,

[yoyojw17]

AG will be the next Dipo if he plays the Shawn Marion role. But if he continues playing like this... I highly doubt it,

75% of the time he should definitely be in this mind set and realize that he can score 20 points off of making cuts to the basket... being available for putbacks and pick n rolls.......all this will open up for his 1 on 1 game will open up as they will be less predictable.

[PrimeThyme]

I think its also a common misconception that Gordon "fanboys" as you call it wanted the ball in AG's hands for him to just go and create and take step back 3's and long twos. What people wanted was for AG to have a consistent role in the offense and for him to get the touches that Evan and Vuc did. I wanted those to be the right touches though (cutting to the basket, open 3 pointers, Alley oops, etc) and to introduce the other additions to his game when necessary but that's not what we have gotten. Every player that has expanded his game offensively like AG has is going to take his lumps but its up to the coaching staff to reign him in and make sure he's still doing the things he's great at and not primarily just asked to sit on the perimeter and create for himself.

If Vogel is here for another year than it's almost as good as AG just walking because we will continue to hurt his development.

While I agree AGs development has been hurt by Vogel I also believe AG is a system player at best. Meaning that his growth and ability is fully dependent upon being in a good situation. He isn’t the kind of player that takes over regardless of his situation. Period.

The roster has never been balanced for as long as AG has been here. Outside of Evan, the majority of the offense has been run through Vuc and the spacing has been atrocious having to accommodate a guard that can’t shoot.

Back to the question. Is AG the next Dipo? Only if he is traded to a legitimate team as a luxury third option to hide his inability to create. The reason Oladipo is flourishing in Indiana is because he “learned how to be a pro” in OKC (his words) and immediately became the alpha on a luke-warm Indiana squad. Pretty much seemlesly filling in where Paul George left off. I mean... who is even their second option? Myles Turner?

The reason why AG is better traded to me is simple... I doubt we land a player in the draft (that being the only way) that will be able to highlight AGs game enough to make him effective and worth whatever contract he is likely handed this off-season. Moreover, he is the only player on the roster that has enough “potential” value of being able to blow this sh** show up for good.

I agree with the majority of this. But I’d also like to see us actually tank these next two seasons and see if we can find that player. Doncic would honestly be a god send for us as I think he is the exact type of playmaker that could elevate AG’s offense. Add a SG or PG to that core in the 2019 draft and we really might be on to something.

The first step for me is getting rid of the coaches and players creating this culture problem. Dipo said it himself in that interview that when he was playing here that it felt like everyone was playing for themselves and it was a selfish culture. I still feel that AG is young enough to where if we get a coach that can put him in the right positions offensevely and reign him in that we can still correct some of the bad habits he’s picked up. Vuc and Evan are not at this point imo. I really couldn’t take Vuc and Evan outlasting another young guy.

[PrimeThyme]

AG will be the next Dipo if he plays the Shawn Marion role. But if he continues playing like this... I highly doubt it,

I look forward to seeing the coach that realizes this and puts him in that role. What I highly doubt is that he will get that coach here.

[VFX]

I think its also a common misconception that Gordon "fanboys" as you call it wanted the ball in AG's hands for him to just go and create and take step back 3's and long twos. What people wanted was for AG to have a consistent role in the offense and for him to get the touches that Evan and Vuc did. I wanted those to be the right touches though (cutting to the basket, open 3 pointers, Alley oops, etc) and to introduce the other additions to his game when necessary but that's not what we have gotten. Every player that has expanded his game offensively like AG has is going to take his lumps but its up to the coaching staff to reign him in and make sure he's still doing the things he's great at and not primarily just asked to sit on the perimeter and create for himself.

If Vogel is here for another year than it's almost as good as AG just walking because we will continue to hurt his development.

While I agree AGs development has been hurt by Vogel I also believe AG is a system player at best. Meaning that his growth and ability is fully dependent upon being in a good situation. He isn’t the kind of player that takes over regardless of his situation. Period.

The roster has never been balanced for as long as AG has been here. Outside of Evan, the majority of the offense has been run through Vuc and the spacing has been atrocious having to accommodate a guard that can’t shoot.

Back to the question. Is AG the next Dipo? Only if he is traded to a legitimate team as a luxury third option to hide his inability to create. The reason Oladipo is flourishing in Indiana is because he “learned how to be a pro” in OKC (his words) and immediately became the alpha on a luke-warm Indiana squad. Pretty much seemlesly filling in where Paul George left off. I mean... who is even their second option? Myles Turner?

The reason why AG is better traded to me is simple... I doubt we land a player in the draft (that being the only way) that will be able to highlight AGs game enough to make him effective and worth whatever contract he is likely handed this off-season. Moreover, he is the only player on the roster that has enough “potential” value of being able to blow this sh** show up for good.

I agree with the majority of this. But I’d also like to see us actually tank these next two seasons and see if we can find that player. Doncic would honestly be a god send for us as I think he is the exact type of playmaker that could elevate AG’s offense. Add a SG or PG to that core in the 2019 draft and we really might be on to something.

The first step for me is getting rid of the coaches and players creating this culture problem. Dipo said it himself in that interview that when he was playing here that it felt like everyone was playing for themselves and it was a selfish culture. I still feel that AG is young enough to where if we get a coach that can put him in the right positions offensevely and reign him in that we can still correct some of the bad habits he’s picked up. Vuc and Evan are not at this point imo. I really couldn’t take Vuc and Evan outlasting another young guy.

I agree with all of this.

To me this draft is the boom or bust of the entire AG situation 100%. I believe Doncic would be able to change the team for the better enough to give AG the green light. He would solve a number of issues we currently have, take pressure off of AG, and be able to facilitate what AG can’t do.

If we don’t land Doncic (more likely than not) I think WeHam will build around Isaac and whoever they select with trades down the line. At least that’s what I think would be the best case scenario for the future.

[Shady Franchise]

Just extend the kid. He's our franchise player right now. I like the 1-2 punch of Gordon-Isaac at PF, and the fact that we've seen them co-exist in limited minutes, helps ease the fact that they're both PFs.

[tiderulz]

AG will be the next Dipo if he plays the Shawn Marion role. But if he continues playing like this... I highly doubt it,

I look forward to seeing the coach that realizes this and puts him in that role. What I highly doubt is that he will get that coach here.

its not just putting him in that role, it is getting him to accept that role. Dwight was in a good role with Stan, until his agent got in his ear and got him to force the team to change his role, thus began his downfall.

[drsd]

While I agree AGs development has been hurt by INJURIES ....

I fixed this as I see a greater developmental concern has been his consistent injury issues.

Every season it is another something or another. It is old .



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[PrimeThyme]

AG will be the next Dipo if he plays the Shawn Marion role. But if he continues playing like this... I highly doubt it,

I look forward to seeing the coach that realizes this and puts him in that role. What I highly doubt is that he will get that coach here.

its not just putting him in that role, it is getting him to accept that role. Dwight was in a good role with Stan, until his agent got in his ear and got him to force the team to change his role, thus began his downfall.

I mean we have no evidence whatsoever to suggest that he wouldn’t. He is still an unproven player without an all star or playoff appearance to his name. Dwight had tons of accolades before the downfall began. AG or his agent really have no leverage right in terms of demanding a certain role on the team && I don’t imagine that they are. Marion was a 4 time all star and played a major role in every offense he was apart of so I’m not sure why AG or his agent would be reluctant to playing a similar one.

[tiderulz]

I look forward to seeing the coach that realizes this and puts him in that role. What I highly doubt is that he will get that coach here.

its not just putting him in that role, it is getting him to accept that role. Dwight was in a good role with Stan, until his agent got in his ear and got him to force the team to change his role, thus began his downfall.

I mean we have no evidence whatsoever to suggest that he wouldn’t. He is still an unproven player without an all star or playoff appearance to his name. Dwight had tons of accolades before the downfall began. AG or his agent really have no leverage right in terms of demanding a certain role on the team && I don’t imagine that they are. Marion was a 4 time all star and played a major role in every offense he was apart of so I’m not sure why AG or his agent would be reluctant to playing a similar one.

I agree we dont have evidence he wouldnt accept. I just wanted to point out that you have to get the player to accept a role too. Like Vuc not accepting a 6th man/bench role. He refuses to accept it. Or Iggy, who has embraced the 6th man role in GS. Similar to Thomas, who flat out states that he wont be a 6th man, regardless of minutes, finishing the game on the floor, he is adamant about only being a starter.

[Patrick1978]

While I agree AGs development has been hurt by Vogel I also believe AG is a system player at best. Meaning that his growth and ability is fully dependent upon being in a good situation. He isn’t the kind of player that takes over regardless of his situation. Period.

The roster has never been balanced for as long as AG has been here. Outside of Evan, the majority of the offense has been run through Vuc and the spacing has been atrocious having to accommodate a guard that can’t shoot.

Back to the question. Is AG the next Dipo? Only if he is traded to a legitimate team as a luxury third option to hide his inability to create. The reason Oladipo is flourishing in Indiana is because he “learned how to be a pro” in OKC (his words) and immediately became the alpha on a luke-warm Indiana squad. Pretty much seemlesly filling in where Paul George left off. I mean... who is even their second option? Myles Turner?

The reason why AG is better traded to me is simple... I doubt we land a player in the draft (that being the only way) that will be able to highlight AGs game enough to make him effective and worth whatever contract he is likely handed this off-season. Moreover, he is the only player on the roster that has enough “potential” value of being able to blow this sh** show up for good.

I agree with the majority of this. But I’d also like to see us actually tank these next two seasons and see if we can find that player. Doncic would honestly be a god send for us as I think he is the exact type of playmaker that could elevate AG’s offense. Add a SG or PG to that core in the 2019 draft and we really might be on to something.

The first step for me is getting rid of the coaches and players creating this culture problem. Dipo said it himself in that interview that when he was playing here that it felt like everyone was playing for themselves and it was a selfish culture. I still feel that AG is young enough to where if we get a coach that can put him in the right positions offensevely and reign him in that we can still correct some of the bad habits he’s picked up. Vuc and Evan are not at this point imo. I really couldn’t take Vuc and Evan outlasting another young guy.

I agree with all of this.

To me this draft is the boom or bust of the entire AG situation 100%. I believe Doncic would be able to change the team for the better enough to give AG the green light. He would solve a number of issues we currently have, take pressure off of AG, and be able to facilitate what AG can’t do.

If we don’t land Doncic (more likely than not) I think WeHam will build around Isaac and whoever they select with trades down the line. At least that’s what I think would be the best case scenario for the future.

If we don t land doncic who do you think we draft?

[PrimeThyme]

While I agree AGs development has been hurt by Vogel I also believe AG is a system player at best. Meaning that his growth and ability is fully dependent upon being in a good situation. He isn’t the kind of player that takes over regardless of his situation. Period.

The roster has never been balanced for as long as AG has been here. Outside of Evan, the majority of the offense has been run through Vuc and the spacing has been atrocious having to accommodate a guard that can’t shoot.

Back to the question. Is AG the next Dipo? Only if he is traded to a legitimate team as a luxury third option to hide his inability to create. The reason Oladipo is flourishing in Indiana is because he “learned how to be a pro” in OKC (his words) and immediately became the alpha on a luke-warm Indiana squad. Pretty much seemlesly filling in where Paul George left off. I mean... who is even their second option? Myles Turner?

The reason why AG is better traded to me is simple... I doubt we land a player in the draft (that being the only way) that will be able to highlight AGs game enough to make him effective and worth whatever contract he is likely handed this off-season. Moreover, he is the only player on the roster that has enough “potential” value of being able to blow this sh** show up for good.

I agree with the majority of this. But I’d also like to see us actually tank these next two seasons and see if we can find that player. Doncic would honestly be a god send for us as I think he is the exact type of playmaker that could elevate AG’s offense. Add a SG or PG to that core in the 2019 draft and we really might be on to something.

The first step for me is getting rid of the coaches and players creating this culture problem. Dipo said it himself in that interview that when he was playing here that it felt like everyone was playing for themselves and it was a selfish culture. I still feel that AG is young enough to where if we get a coach that can put him in the right positions offensevely and reign him in that we can still correct some of the bad habits he’s picked up. Vuc and Evan are not at this point imo. I really couldn’t take Vuc and Evan outlasting another young guy.

I agree with all of this.

To me this draft is the boom or bust of the entire AG situation 100%. I believe Doncic would be able to change the team for the better enough to give AG the green light. He would solve a number of issues we currently have, take pressure off of AG, and be able to facilitate what AG can’t do.

If we don’t land Doncic (more likely than not) I think WeHam will build around Isaac and whoever they select with trades down the line. At least that’s what I think would be the best case scenario for the future.

Agreed. The worst part of it all is we still control our destiny and all of this will be determined during the stretch of tanking teams that we play. If we go on a win streak like I fear it likely means that we will be picking outside of the top 6-7 and we will miss out on Doncic and it’s as good as letting AG walk if that happens.

[VFX]

I agree with the majority of this. But I’d also like to see us actually tank these next two seasons and see if we can find that player. Doncic would honestly be a god send for us as I think he is the exact type of playmaker that could elevate AG’s offense. Add a SG or PG to that core in the 2019 draft and we really might be on to something.

The first step for me is getting rid of the coaches and players creating this culture problem. Dipo said it himself in that interview that when he was playing here that it felt like everyone was playing for themselves and it was a selfish culture. I still feel that AG is young enough to where if we get a coach that can put him in the right positions offensevely and reign him in that we can still correct some of the bad habits he’s picked up. Vuc and Evan are not at this point imo. I really couldn’t take Vuc and Evan outlasting another young guy.

I agree with all of this.

To me this draft is the boom or bust of the entire AG situation 100%. I believe Doncic would be able to change the team for the better enough to give AG the green light. He would solve a number of issues we currently have, take pressure off of AG, and be able to facilitate what AG can’t do.

If we don’t land Doncic (more likely than not) I think WeHam will build around Isaac and whoever they select with trades down the line. At least that’s what I think would be the best case scenario for the future.

If we don t land doncic who do you think we draft?

Whoever WeHam think is BPA.

Personally, I would trade AG if that player happens to be a big (Bamba, JJJ, Bagley, Carter, Ayton, etc) because that would be a mismanagement of assets for a team with so few.

[Patrick1978]

I agree with all of this.

To me this draft is the boom or bust of the entire AG situation 100%. I believe Doncic would be able to change the team for the better enough to give AG the green light. He would solve a number of issues we currently have, take pressure off of AG, and be able to facilitate what AG can’t do.

If we don’t land Doncic (more likely than not) I think WeHam will build around Isaac and whoever they select with trades down the line. At least that’s what I think would be the best case scenario for the future.

If we don t land doncic who do you think we draft?

Whoever WeHam think is BPA.

Personally, I would trade AG if that player happens to be a big (Bamba, JJJ, Bagley, Carter, Ayton, etc) because that would be a mismanagement of assets for a team with so few.

Maybe they go for a wing or a pg even if doncic is of the board