Gamethread: Magic @ Knicks 04/03

[Mauro Pedrosa]

Contracts aside (which are both issues)...I have as many questions about AG as I do about Mario. Scary time of year when games don't matter and competitive fire is confusing (who's trying, what have they been told, etc)...
-do we "get lucky" and Mario stays and regresses? or does he become the best guy on the team? or another team?
-do we pay AG and he sucks?
I think a LOT depends on our other moves this offseason. A good PG that takes pressure off and distributes can make either or both of these guys look great. Picking up another big, especially an unskilled one like Bamba, JJJ, or Bagley and I think the chaos in the nursery continues...Doncic, Trae, Kemba, etc or maybe we get lucky with an unheralded second pick PG with Jameer-Like maturity .

I agree. An athletic center would be nice but it wouldn't do anything to help us overcome our offensive limitations. Gordon's off the dribble game is pitiful and we need a creator. Especially if we plan on starting Isaac and Gordon together

Young, Doncic or dare I say Isaiah Thomas if we take JJJ or Bamba

I agree as well. Planning future was poor again, instad of drafting Smith or trading down to get Smith ( or trading to get another pick to get Smith ) , knowing that 2018 draft is filled with big men, they drafted -big man in 2017.
BPA is kind a bull**** logic because in 99% cases nobody knows who is BPA and fit matters more than raw talent, if raw talent isn't sure shot hall of famer ,and , in 99,99% cases it's not.

I agree. This upcoming draft is the perfect example. Taking Bagley or Porter would be incredibly dumb. I'd be ok with JJJ because he'll probably be a full time Center

[Patrick1978]

Contracts aside (which are both issues)...I have as many questions about AG as I do about Mario. Scary time of year when games don't matter and competitive fire is confusing (who's trying, what have they been told, etc)...
-do we "get lucky" and Mario stays and regresses? or does he become the best guy on the team? or another team?
-do we pay AG and he sucks?
I think a LOT depends on our other moves this offseason. A good PG that takes pressure off and distributes can make either or both of these guys look great. Picking up another big, especially an unskilled one like Bamba, JJJ, or Bagley and I think the chaos in the nursery continues...Doncic, Trae, Kemba, etc or maybe we get lucky with an unheralded second pick PG with Jameer-Like maturity .

I agree. An athletic center would be nice but it wouldn't do anything to help us overcome our offensive limitations. Gordon's off the dribble game is pitiful and we need a creator. Especially if we plan on starting Isaac and Gordon together

Young, Doncic or dare I say Isaiah Thomas if we take JJJ or Bamba

Young,doncic,
Gilgeous-Alexander, sexton
Anfernee simons,landry shamet,shake milton,jalen brunson,bruce brown,jevon carter

[Skybox]

How about this theory...Fit plays a part in who ends up looking like BPA after the fact? How many "Bad Fit" draftees look more like busts than they would have on a team that was better suited for their games.

[pepe1991]

I agree. An athletic center would be nice but it wouldn't do anything to help us overcome our offensive limitations. Gordon's off the dribble game is pitiful and we need a creator. Especially if we plan on starting Isaac and Gordon together

Young, Doncic or dare I say Isaiah Thomas if we take JJJ or Bamba

I agree as well. Planning future was poor again, instad of drafting Smith or trading down to get Smith ( or trading to get another pick to get Smith ) , knowing that 2018 draft is filled with big men, they drafted -big man in 2017.
BPA is kind a bull**** logic because in 99% cases nobody knows who is BPA and fit matters more than raw talent, if raw talent isn't sure shot hall of famer ,and , in 99,99% cases it's not.

I agree. This upcoming draft is the perfect example. Taking Bagley or Porter would be incredibly dumb. I'd be ok with JJJ because he'll probably be a full time Center

I just hate BPA logic to it's core and every draft you can see why it's a dumb logic to use for simple reason -it's impossible to know for fact that some 19 years old player has more potential than other 19 years old player.
Just look mess of 2014 draft to see what happends when BPA takes over. Exum, Smart,McDermott, Stauskas, Vonleh and Payton were drafted before Šarić , Warren and Lavine. Garry Harris ,who slipped to 16# overall ended up being everything Stauskas was projected to be.

And guys like Spencer Dinwiddie , Bogdan Bogdanovic, Joe Harris, Rodney HOod and many others ended up being better players than lottery picks.

[Patrick1978]

I agree. An athletic center would be nice but it wouldn't do anything to help us overcome our offensive limitations. Gordon's off the dribble game is pitiful and we need a creator. Especially if we plan on starting Isaac and Gordon together

Young, Doncic or dare I say Isaiah Thomas if we take JJJ or Bamba

I agree as well. Planning future was poor again, instad of drafting Smith or trading down to get Smith ( or trading to get another pick to get Smith ) , knowing that 2018 draft is filled with big men, they drafted -big man in 2017.
BPA is kind a bull**** logic because in 99% cases nobody knows who is BPA and fit matters more than raw talent, if raw talent isn't sure shot hall of famer ,and , in 99,99% cases it's not.

I agree. This upcoming draft is the perfect example. Taking Bagley or Porter would be incredibly dumb. I'd be ok with JJJ because he'll probably be a full time Center

So you should also be ok with bamba because he too would be a full time Center.
By the way imo carter is the best basketball player among the bigs with also the best bbiq
Clearly underrated

[pepe1991]

How about this theory...Fit plays a part in who ends up looking like BPA after the fact? How many "Bad Fit" draftees look more like busts than they would have on a team that was better suited for their games.

Thank you. Case and point- Donovan Mitchell. Guy has Gobert, Rubio, Ingles and solid coach , it's not hard to look good when you have complimentary players, great role players and guys who know their role.

[Mauro Pedrosa]

I agree as well. Planning future was poor again, instad of drafting Smith or trading down to get Smith ( or trading to get another pick to get Smith ) , knowing that 2018 draft is filled with big men, they drafted -big man in 2017.
BPA is kind a bull**** logic because in 99% cases nobody knows who is BPA and fit matters more than raw talent, if raw talent isn't sure shot hall of famer ,and , in 99,99% cases it's not.

I agree. This upcoming draft is the perfect example. Taking Bagley or Porter would be incredibly dumb. I'd be ok with JJJ because he'll probably be a full time Center

So you should also be ok with bamba because he too would be a full time Center.
By the way imo carter is the best basketball player among the bigs with also the best bbiq
Clearly underrated

Correct, as long as we find a way to get a good PG

[Blue_and_Whte]

We had a potential tank scoring night of 83.1 and we went a head and blew out the Knicks...standard.


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[Nemesis21]

F'ing dammit!!! Stupid Hezonja and Artis!

[pepe1991]

F'ing dammit!!! Stupid Hezonja and Artis!

Would you underperform at office today to get fired and help company hire better guy?
Didn't think so. Can't expect players to tank. Only few coaches can tank as well , Rick Carlisle and that's probably it. I guess Brett Brown was told that he won't be fired during "Process"

[tiderulz]

How about this theory...Fit plays a part in who ends up looking like BPA after the fact? How many "Bad Fit" draftees look more like busts than they would have on a team that was better suited for their games.

this happens a lot. as an example, Draymond Green didnt look like the player he is now when he played for Mark Jackson. Kerr changed his role and responsibilities. I think there are quite a few players over the years that went to the wrong place (wrong team, wrong coach, wrong expectations) and then became "busts", that might have turned into better players in other situations

[magicman112]

Just got out tanked. It's going to happen some nights especially since this is the last season before the new anti-tanking rules take effect a lot of competition.

[magicman112]

I just saw post game interview on Vogel and one reporter asked about hezonja...

He truly is a bush league of a coach... after saying he had a terrific game he goes hezonja does couple head scratchers in game and should keep playing within himself...

Okay... I would say fair enough, but then again why is it that bush league Vogel never says vooch, Gordon, Simmons or DJ has double hand head scratchers in game and they all really need to play within themselves just like hezonja?

Maybe, coach moron is trying to come up with anything to throw shade, since hezonja made him look like the doofus that he is

For Isaac and future draft pick sake, weham really gotta find a coach that's actually in it for the team and his players rather than himself only...

Agreed no more Vogel please

I wasn't for him being gone at first because this roster is such a mess any coach would have problems with it. But as this season has gone on it's clear he just can't get it done and I think it's because he's just too old school there's a reason why Larry Bird let him go. New front office had their evaluation year just wipe the slate clean.

[FrenchMagic]

We need a game a changer in offense. We have Isaac in a potential game changer in defense. So, I hope Ayton, Doncic, Porter, Bagley or Young.

[Shady Franchise]

Contracts aside (which are both issues)...I have as many questions about AG as I do about Mario. Scary time of year when games don't matter and competitive fire is confusing (who's trying, what have they been told, etc)...
-do we "get lucky" and Mario stays and regresses? or does he become the best guy on the team? or another team?
-do we pay AG and he sucks?
I think a LOT depends on our other moves this offseason. A good PG that takes pressure off and distributes can make either or both of these guys look great. Picking up another big, especially an unskilled one like Bamba, JJJ, or Bagley and I think the chaos in the nursery continues...Doncic, Trae, Kemba, etc or maybe we get lucky with an unheralded second pick PG with Jameer-Like maturity .

"unskilled"? The skills these 3 guys have are what make them high lottery picks!

[OrlandoNed]

I just saw post game interview on Vogel and one reporter asked about hezonja...

He truly is a bush league of a coach... after saying he had a terrific game he goes hezonja does couple head scratchers in game and should keep playing within himself...

Okay... I would say fair enough, but then again why is it that bush league Vogel never says vooch, Gordon, Simmons or DJ has double hand head scratchers in game and they all really need to play within themselves just like hezonja?

Maybe, coach moron is trying to come up with anything to throw shade, since hezonja made him look like the doofus that he is

For Isaac and future draft pick sake, weham really gotta find a coach that's actually in it for the team and his players rather than himself only...

Agreed no more Vogel please

I wasn't for him being gone at first because this roster is such a mess any coach would have problems with it. But as this season has gone on it's clear he just can't get it done and I think it's because he's just too old school there's a reason why Larry Bird let him go. New front office had their evaluation year just wipe the slate clean.

It's odd that a coach as young as Vogel is such a dinosaur when it comes to coaching.

[Mauro Pedrosa]

Agreed no more Vogel please

I wasn't for him being gone at first because this roster is such a mess any coach would have problems with it. But as this season has gone on it's clear he just can't get it done and I think it's because he's just too old school there's a reason why Larry Bird let him go. New front office had their evaluation year just wipe the slate clean.

It's odd that a coach as young as Vogel is such a dinosaur when it comes to coaching.

The guy was playing Biz and Birch together unironically, smh

[yoyojw17]

Just got out tanked. It's going to happen some nights especially since this is the last season before the new anti-tanking rules take effect a lot of competition.

And in the same sense.... some people would have been pissed saying... "No Porzingiz.... no Kanter.... Hardaway was having a bad game and we were playing against a bunch of G-leaguers.... Our team is garbage... blow it up.... trade for crappy players.... let gordon walk... screw hezonja.....Isaac is gonna be the next Greg oden....I hate this team.... but i'll still come on here every day to post my disgust for them after i watch every game still"

something along those lines. lol

[Furinkazan]

F'ing dammit!!! Stupid Hezonja and Artis!

its not stupid Hezonja and Artis fault
Its tarded FO

[Furinkazan]

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