[STEIN] - Terry Stotts On The Way Out in Portland? Orlando Interested?

[PennytoShaq]

Stotts got Portland to 3rd in the west..

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Sorry, could be wrong but didn't Vogel get the papers to 2 eastern conference finals and one year was 1 game away from the finals?

All I see is a guy who has been a hc for 10 years and has a losing career record, been fired 3 times and is 12-28 in the playoffs. When he has a young team he has proven to be a **** coach and when he has a good team he gets destroyed in the playoffs, thanks but no, keep that career liser away from this team unless you want us to stay the Orlando Tragic for the foreseeable future

I guess you need more context? Portland did not nearly have the talent of the Pacers team that got close to the finals. Additionally, the main point is that Stotts played and developed his young players in an offense suited to their strengths. If you remember at all - Portland had some pretty awful offseasons in which they overpaid for guys and now are hamstrung with some large contracts.

If you don't look at scheme or coaching style or really, anything - it is quite easy to compare Stotts to Vogel because it is so easy to be that lazy and just spout off a spontaneous opinion.

Additionally, many, many people (probably you included) would not have wanted D'antoni after his Lakers run, but he continues to put together strong teams. The argument of Stotts being a career loser is just tired and lazy.

As much as I want Stackhouse here, he is also an unproven coach and we don't know what we are getting. I wonder if you are one of the guys who said he would be the next Jacque Vaughn a few months back when he was rumored to be our guy. Regardless, that was also exceptionally weak comparison, but I guess it is easier to have a hot take on a guy over and over and then come back and say "I was wrong" if it doesn't happen like you envisioned.

Bottom line - you or I or no one else knows what will happen if we get Stackhouse or Stotts or even Nurse. Stop trying to to predict the future when you barely have any idea of that the coach is like in the first place.

[PennytoShaq]

How does that differ from Vogel? Almost same exact situation if Stotts does get fired. Think we're looking for a diff sort of coach.

a) Vogel never played in the NBA, which was my point about what the Magicans want.
b) I like Vogel as a coach, but the Magic broke him and he thus needed to be fired.

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i forget, which NBA team did Stotts play for?

He was drafted by the Rockets. But he never actually played. Regardless, he was a professional basketball player.

[PennytoShaq]

So we fire a win now coach for another win now coach? Totts is a good coach but he is Vogel 2.0. This would be a stupid move by Hammond. If you fired Vogel it was to get Stack. If not, then we should have just kept him.

There is no possible way the Magic fired Vogel just becaus they have one guy in mind that they want. That is actually a stupid move.

The Magic fired Vogel because he was not working out. It was not because they had their mind set on just getting one particular coach.

[Def Swami]

Is any coach that has actually won games just automatically labeled a "win-now" coach now? What do you want? A lose-now coach? If so, I have a great one in mind.




I swear, a coach like Carlisle or Spolestra could get hired tomorrow and folks would still want Stackhouse.

At some point, you have to have a coach who can teach players good habits, how to play the right way, and how to prepare day in and day out, and actually win basketball games. You can keep tanking and drafting all these players, but if there's no one there that they can look up to, respect, and develop them, then it's all moot.

[drsd]

i forget, which NBA team did Stotts play for?

Stotts was a second round selection of the Houston Rockets in the 1980 NBA draft, but he could not find a place on the team.

Hmm. I was wrong.


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[PennytoShaq]

Is any coach that has actually won games just automatically labeled a "win-now" coach now? What do you want? A lose-now coach? If so, I have a great one in mind.




I swear, a coach like Carlisle or Spolestra could get hired tomorrow and folks would still want Stackhouse.

At some point, you have to have a coach who can teach players good habits, how to play the right way, and how to prepare day in and day out, and actually win basketball games. You can keep tanking and drafting all these players, but if there's no one there that they can look up to, respect, and develop them, then it's all moot.

Half these people didn't even want Stackhouse 2 months ago. This place is hilarious.

[drsd]

Is any coach that has actually won games just automatically labeled a "win-now" coach now? What do you want? A lose-now coach? If so, I have a great one in mind.




I swear, a coach like Carlisle or Spolestra could get hired tomorrow and folks would still want Stackhouse.

At some point, you have to have a coach who can teach players good habits, how to play the right way, and how to prepare day in and day out, and actually win basketball games. You can keep tanking and drafting all these players, but if there's no one there that they can look up to, respect, and develop them, then it's all moot.

I want Stackhouse as the next Magic coach. And he fits the mold described by current Magicians. I think the point is that WeHamm might want a coach that is not only a former player, but also has past head coaching experience. We cannot exclude a Monty Williams-type, for that reason.

Of course Jacque Vaughn fits this mold as well. Cringe.





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[Max Power]

Stotts is a guy I’d rather avoid. This franchise needs fresh from top to bottom. If a good coach like Frank Vogel crashes and burns here I don’t have much faith in Stotts doing better. A fresh new coach like Nurse or Stackhouse along with a mostly new roster is what the Magic organization needs.


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[Def Swami]

I'm fine with Stackhouse or Nurse. I just think the dismay tossed at veteran head coaches who have actually had success in the league with young teams is baffling. Especially Stotts who has earned the reputation as a great coach on offense who has maximized the talent of his young players and made them better. Hell, he even turned Moe Harkless and Shabazz Napier into rotation players.

Or this notion that we shouldn't hire a "win-now" head coach. Which coach isn't a "win-now" coach? It's not like Stackhouse or Nurse are going to come in and just start throwing basketball games to get the #1 pick. Coaches have reputations and their win records are everything that they have to hang their hats on. Coaches and players don't throw basketball games. Front offices can facilitate it with their rosters. Anyone who takes the job in Orlando is going to do their best to win games within the paradigm of Orlando's roster.

[MagicFan101]

Coaches play their part and it is an important one but this is a players league. We need better players before I worry all that much about the coach.

Most of you crying about who the coach “has to be” are the same ones always devaluing practice by saying game time minutes are the only real way for a young player to improve. While not polar opposite views they are somewhat contradicting ideas. So which is it?

Solution: Get a star player (preferably two) then worry about how the coach runs the team through that player. Until that point it really doesn’t matter.

[Nyce_1]

Would be huge.

..... disappointment

Sorry figured I'd finish that for you

Lol.

[OrlandO]

Stotts is a guy I’d rather avoid. This franchise needs fresh from top to bottom. If a good coach like Frank Vogel crashes and burns here I don’t have much faith in Stotts doing better. A fresh new coach like Nurse or Stackhouse along with a mostly new roster is what the Magic organization needs.


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Vogel isn't a good coach.... he got exposed here.

[Uncommon]

Stotts is a guy I’d rather avoid. This franchise needs fresh from top to bottom. If a good coach like Frank Vogel crashes and burns here I don’t have much faith in Stotts doing better. A fresh new coach like Nurse or Stackhouse along with a mostly new roster is what the Magic organization needs.


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Vogel isn't a good coach.... he got exposed here.

100% agreed.

Everyone was dancing in the streets when he got hired while I was mainly skeptical; the guy just got showed the door by Larry Bird because his offenses were too predictable and 2000s-era. Why someone like that would excite anyone in the fast-paced offenses of this decade was totally beyond me. I was ecstatic to see him go.

I also 100% don’t want a Vogel clone and retread Terry Stotts as our coach. We might as well hire Brian Hill again. No, give me a new-age guy like Stackhouse or Nick Nurse that can relate well to players, know the Xs and Os, and was not born before 1970.

[klassi]

I think Stotts would be great. All of his players have really improved when playing under him (no stagnation) and the Blazers team definitely overachieved. Looking at their roster, their GM has put them in a bad situation, but Stotts really got the most of his team.

[tiderulz]

Stotts is a guy I’d rather avoid. This franchise needs fresh from top to bottom. If a good coach like Frank Vogel crashes and burns here I don’t have much faith in Stotts doing better. A fresh new coach like Nurse or Stackhouse along with a mostly new roster is what the Magic organization needs.


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Vogel isn't a good coach.... he got exposed here.

100% agreed.

Everyone was dancing in the streets when he got hired while I was mainly skeptical; the guy just got showed the door by Larry Bird because his offenses were too predictable and 2000s-era. Why someone like that would excite anyone in the fast-paced offenses of this decade was totally beyond me. I was ecstatic to see him go.

I also 100% don’t want a Vogel clone and retread Terry Stotts as our coach. We might as well hire Brian Hill again. No, give me a new-age guy like Stackhouse or Nick Nurse that can relate well to players, know the Xs and Os, and was not born before 1970.

you do know that Nurse was born in 1967 right?

[Uncommon]

Vogel isn't a good coach.... he got exposed here.

100% agreed.

Everyone was dancing in the streets when he got hired while I was mainly skeptical; the guy just got showed the door by Larry Bird because his offenses were too predictable and 2000s-era. Why someone like that would excite anyone in the fast-paced offenses of this decade was totally beyond me. I was ecstatic to see him go.

I also 100% don’t want a Vogel clone and retread Terry Stotts as our coach. We might as well hire Brian Hill again. No, give me a new-age guy like Stackhouse or Nick Nurse that can relate well to players, know the Xs and Os, and was not born before 1970.

you do know that Nurse was born in 1967 right?

Shhhhhh.

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[OrlandoDream]

So we fire a win now coach for another win now coach? Totts is a good coach but he is Vogel 2.0. This would be a stupid move by Hammond. If you fired Vogel it was to get Stack. If not, then we should have just kept him.

There is no possible way the Magic fired Vogel just becaus they have one guy in mind that they want. That is actually a stupid move.

The Magic fired Vogel because he was not working out. It was not because they had their mind set on just getting one particular coach.

You could have put Pop with this current roster and injuries and we would still finish bottom 5. Although he did have some fault, it wasnt all vogels fault. I would have given him one more season with a full healthy roster, 2018 pick, and a change in the PG and/or C position.

Getting a new coach now is pretty much starting from square 1 again