The Official Hire Sam Hinkie Thread

[jbent87]

Sixers could have just as easily whiffed on their drafts and the magic could have won more on theirs. Sixers just got lucky winning Simmons and Embiid. They could have easily have been left with Jabari Parker, Exum or Aaron Gordon from the Embiid draft if they didn't take the risk on an injury prone Embiid. And, they got lucky to win the 1st overall pick for Ben Simmons. They could have been unlucky and gotten 2nd and been stuck with Ingram. But yah, as if Hinkie getting lucky in the draft was pure genius.

you're right, sounds scary, better not try at all.

In your what if universe you're trying to justify here this current Sixers team could also revolve around

Giannis
Embiid
Dario
Devin Booker or Porzingis
Simmons (less likely if Okafor was never drafted resulting in more wins) / Jaylen Brown/Brandon Ingram
Jayson Tatum/Josh Jackson

But yeah, forget that, let's just continue to treadmill and sign Luol Deng and Timothe Mozgov just to have to attach D'Angelo Russell to one of them to move them a year later like the Lakers. So happy, I woke up one day and realized how lucky the Sixers and Sam Hinkie got as he was exiled from the NBA for putting this team together.

[Furinkazan]

who the hell dug this grave of a thread out?

[BadMofoPimp]

Sixers could have just as easily whiffed on their drafts and the magic could have won more on theirs. Sixers just got lucky winning Simmons and Embiid. They could have easily have been left with Jabari Parker, Exum or Aaron Gordon from the Embiid draft if they didn't take the risk on an injury prone Embiid. And, they got lucky to win the 1st overall pick for Ben Simmons. They could have been unlucky and gotten 2nd and been stuck with Ingram. But yah, as if Hinkie getting lucky in the draft was pure genius.

you're right, sounds scary, better not try at all.

In your what if universe you're trying to justify here this current Sixers team could also revolve around

Giannis
Embiid
Dario
Devin Booker or Porzingis
Simmons (less likely if Okafor was never drafted resulting in more wins) / Jaylen Brown/Brandon Ingram
Jayson Tatum/Josh Jackson

But yeah, forget that, let's just continue to treadmill and sign Luol Deng and Timothe Mozgov just to have to attach D'Angelo Russell to one of them to move them a year later like the Lakers. So happy, I woke up one day and realized how lucky the Sixers and Sam Hinkie got as he was exiled from the NBA for putting this team together.

When there are 5-8 teams tanking every year, that reduces competitive basketball league wide. Thus, too many teams are trying to out tank each other whereas we end up with tanking teams like the Magic drafting 4-6 more often. At this juncture, it is almost futile or a waste of time to tank as the chance of winning an elite talent is very slim. Thus, 81 games wasted time most of thetime just to get a hopefully starting level player any team could just sign.

[zaymon]

76ers were very lucky in the lottery, they were always where they should be or higher, we were mostly lower. If they didnt had pure luck they would be awful for years especially with their poor vision of the team, not knowing where the nba is going. It all clicked at the end but the chances were not that high as it seems.

Philly finished #2, 1, 3, 4 in the tank race over their rebuild.

Luck is always a factor in a lottery but they clearly bought in to the effort as an organization. Saying it was nothing but luck is stupidity to rival any post this forum has seen.

Once again i am seeing you have problems reading with understanding, but you are very quick to use strong words like stupidity. I guess you are hearing it very often and you like to reapeat words.
I wrote that with their poor drafting they had luck being so high in the lottery when there was clear choices. Sometimes it takes one spot lower to ruin whole year of losing, and even being worst team in the nba gives you 25% for number 1 pick. There are teams that draft exceptionally well but it was not philly and they needed more luck year after year than say utah or bucks. Of course they positioned themselves well but with that awful vision of the team they almost blew it.

[ralphie9898]

No way! Tanking is what got us in this mess. It rarely has a chance of working and it's just not worth it. I mean just look at how extreme the losing culture of this team is right now, you want to add 3 or 4 more years of being a bottom feeder to this franchise? The Magic need to bring in someone who is experienced and can build a playoff basketball team first and foremost. No more hoping that if we suck enough, maybe we'll find a franchise player in the draft. It's time to make our own success.

How? We don't have any cap space to sign much. We don't have much in the way of trade value to get a whole lot unless we gut our team of the good young prospects that we have as well as draft picks where we have nothing to put around that player that will then want to leave as soon as he can. And I believe tanking is a myth. I don't think anyone tanks as their jobs are on the line. And why do they because they are trying to get better the only way they can. There are only so many Lebron's and Durants. Some teams are simply going to be bad. They are not necessarily tanking. They just are just the team that loses. You know a a game where there is a winner and a loser. Nobody says Cleveland is tanking in the NFL and no one seems to have a problem with MLB teams being sellers. Philly was about the only team that may have tanked but it got the guy who might have done some it fired. And look where they are now. Cap space and a bunch of premier young talent that already has them one of the better teams in the East. I don't understand all this anger about "tanking". Which is not my word. Rather I would call it rational rebuilding where you can't just get better overnight. Lebron didn't even get his team into the playoffs his rookie year. And not every top pick turns out a Lebron or a Wade or a Bosh. Maybe you might want to stop the best players teaming up together and taking away from either teams. Stop the Warriors from not only getting Durant but also tremendous depth in resigning key role players like McGee or Nick Young and plenty of good role players.

[pepe1991]

Sam Hinkie as the Magic GM would be complete disaster. All he knows to do is produce losing teams as he has never built a winning team before.

Producing a team which is worst in the NBA then praying to god a superstar lands in your lap in the draft is not my idea of solid GM'n. I mean, people praise him for obtaining assets, but what does he have over in Philly besides Embiid and Simmons after 5 losing seasons each can never get onto the court?

Because Rob and his winning culture made Magic contenders ,right?

All of your points are pretty much wrong or have no context behind them.

Let's start with basic math.: Hired in May of 2013, fired in summer of 2016. So 5 years? Maybe 5 dog years.

what does he have over in Philly besides Embiid and Simmons after 5 losing seasons each can never get onto the court?

This is oxymoron or ? Embiid, in 31 games he played looked better than any Magic player in post Dwight era. Simmons was never injuried before, so talking about him in context of injury prone player is pretty damn laughable.

"Producing a team which is worst in the NBA" ,well actually they are better than "winning culture " of Magic this year, just with 5 times more cap space.

But let's ignore your uneducated bias and look at actual results and how he set 76ers by making smart moves:
Got best player in the 2014 draft in Embiid with 3# pick.
Traded MCW at peak of his value
Fixed huge Bynum fiasco and stole back 76ers pick from Magic, by robbing Rob Hennigan in Šarić-Elf swap.
Signed Covington,undrafted player,who is pretty damn good (especially on defense).
Signed undrafted Dedmon.
Stole Stauskas when he had no value and got right to swap a Kings pick in 2017 and stole their 2019 first round pick.
And probably most important thing,got them Lakers 2017 pick, top 3 protected, or 2018 unprotected.


Magic acted like they are finished their rebuild in 2015, just to end up in lottery two years in a row after that. With this year,having worst record than last season, being one of worst teams in nba. Problem is that they are not even tanking, they just suck by accident . Right now Magic are mess and new GM will have LOOOOT of things to fix to put them back on right track.

this thread is epic. Best argument against him was "but Philly still sucks ". So many points were so damn wrong if you slide to older pages.

[orlando1214]

No way! Tanking is what got us in this mess. It rarely has a chance of working and it's just not worth it. I mean just look at how extreme the losing culture of this team is right now, you want to add 3 or 4 more years of being a bottom feeder to this franchise? The Magic need to bring in someone who is experienced and can build a playoff basketball team first and foremost. No more hoping that if we suck enough, maybe we'll find a franchise player in the draft. It's time to make our own success.

How? We don't have any cap space to sign much. We don't have much in the way of trade value to get a whole lot unless we gut our team of the good young prospects that we have as well as draft picks where we have nothing to put around that player that will then want to leave as soon as he can. And I believe tanking is a myth. I don't think anyone tanks as their jobs are on the line. And why do they because they are trying to get better the only way they can. There are only so many Lebron's and Durants. Some teams are simply going to be bad. They are not necessarily tanking. They just are just the team that loses. You know a a game where there is a winner and a loser. Nobody says Cleveland is tanking in the NFL and no one seems to have a problem with MLB teams being sellers. Philly was about the only team that may have tanked but it got the guy who might have done some it fired. And look where they are now. Cap space and a bunch of premier young talent that already has them one of the better teams in the East. I don't understand all this anger about "tanking". Which is not my word. Rather I would call it rational rebuilding where you can't just get better overnight. Lebron didn't even get his team into the playoffs his rookie year. And not every top pick turns out a Lebron or a Wade or a Bosh. Maybe you might want to stop the best players teaming up together and taking away from either teams. Stop the Warriors from not only getting Durant but also tremendous depth in resigning key role players like McGee or Nick Young and plenty of good role players.

Come on man, don't quote something from a year and half ago!

A lot of stuff has changed since then, but this was my opinion at time with Hennigan in charge. I'm still not a fan of tanking, but even I was wanting the team to lose during the 2nd half of the year when all was lost to get better lottery odds.

[MagicFan101]

76ers were very lucky in the lottery, they were always where they should be or higher, we were mostly lower. If they didnt had pure luck they would be awful for years especially with their poor vision of the team, not knowing where the nba is going. It all clicked at the end but the chances were not that high as it seems.

Philly finished #2, 1, 3, 4 in the tank race over their rebuild.

Luck is always a factor in a lottery but they clearly bought in to the effort as an organization. Saying it was nothing but luck is stupidity to rival any post this forum has seen.

Once again i am seeing you have problems reading with understanding, but you are very quick to use strong words like stupidity. I guess you are hearing it very often and you like to reapeat words.
I wrote that with their poor drafting they had luck being so high in the lottery when there was clear choices. Sometimes it takes one spot lower to ruin whole year of losing, and even being worst team in the nba gives you 25% for number 1 pick. There are teams that draft exceptionally well but it was not philly and they needed more luck year after year than say utah or bucks. Of course they positioned themselves well but with that awful vision of the team they almost blew it.

I gave you their tank race positions; not where the lottery placed them. No luck was involved there, only an organizational buyin to “the process” which is something Orlando and others did not fully commit to. The differences in rebuild efficiency between these clubs because of it are great.

They have done a fantastic job in balancing risk / reward with a STRONG vision of where to take their team. You talk about “clear choices” but only Simmons was such. Embiid was not as clear given his injuries with the likes of Porzingis still available.

[zaymon]

Philly finished #2, 1, 3, 4 in the tank race over their rebuild.

Luck is always a factor in a lottery but they clearly bought in to the effort as an organization. Saying it was nothing but luck is stupidity to rival any post this forum has seen.

Once again i am seeing you have problems reading with understanding, but you are very quick to use strong words like stupidity. I guess you are hearing it very often and you like to reapeat words.
I wrote that with their poor drafting they had luck being so high in the lottery when there was clear choices. Sometimes it takes one spot lower to ruin whole year of losing, and even being worst team in the nba gives you 25% for number 1 pick. There are teams that draft exceptionally well but it was not philly and they needed more luck year after year than say utah or bucks. Of course they positioned themselves well but with that awful vision of the team they almost blew it.

I gave you their tank race positions; not where the lottery placed them. No luck was involved there, only an organizational buyin to “the process” which is something Orlando and others did not fully commit to. The differences in rebuild efficiency between these clubs because of it are great.

They have done a fantastic job in balancing risk / reward with a STRONG vision of where to take their team. You talk about “clear choices” but only Simmons was such. Embiid was not as clear given his injuries with the likes of Porzingis still available.

They had 25% chance for Simmons, 55% chance for Embiid but he was projected to be number one pick before injury so i would say its closer to 20% chance. With all the losing they had 5% chance to get both Simmons and Embiid. Yeah no luck involved.

[MagicFan101]

Once again i am seeing you have problems reading with understanding, but you are very quick to use strong words like stupidity. I guess you are hearing it very often and you like to reapeat words.
I wrote that with their poor drafting they had luck being so high in the lottery when there was clear choices. Sometimes it takes one spot lower to ruin whole year of losing, and even being worst team in the nba gives you 25% for number 1 pick. There are teams that draft exceptionally well but it was not philly and they needed more luck year after year than say utah or bucks. Of course they positioned themselves well but with that awful vision of the team they almost blew it.

I gave you their tank race positions; not where the lottery placed them. No luck was involved there, only an organizational buyin to “the process” which is something Orlando and others did not fully commit to. The differences in rebuild efficiency between these clubs because of it are great.

They have done a fantastic job in balancing risk / reward with a STRONG vision of where to take their team. You talk about “clear choices” but only Simmons was such. Embiid was not as clear given his injuries with the likes of Porzingis still available.

They had 25% chance for Simmons, 55% chance for Embiid but he was projected to be number one pick before injury so i would say its closer to 20% chance. With all the losing they had 5% chance to get both Simmons and Embiid. Yeah no luck involved.

Yup. That’s what I said. You interpreted it perfectly. #GreenFont.

Stay in school kid.

[zaymon]

I gave you their tank race positions; not where the lottery placed them. No luck was involved there, only an organizational buyin to “the process” which is something Orlando and others did not fully commit to. The differences in rebuild efficiency between these clubs because of it are great.

They have done a fantastic job in balancing risk / reward with a STRONG vision of where to take their team. You talk about “clear choices” but only Simmons was such. Embiid was not as clear given his injuries with the likes of Porzingis still available.

They had 25% chance for Simmons, 55% chance for Embiid but he was projected to be number one pick before injury so i would say its closer to 20% chance. With all the losing they had 5% chance to get both Simmons and Embiid. Yeah no luck involved.

Yup. That’s what I said. You interpreted it perfectly. #GreenFont.

Stay in school kid.

Sixers build they strategy around LOTTERY, they missed completely on two high lottery picks, and had around 5% chance to be in a position to draft Simmons and Embiid. If you think strategy build around LOTTERY is not about luck i dont want to discuss with you anything more. And dont try to put me in school becouse there is 99% chance you will look like a moron in comparison to my education.

[MagicFan101]

They had 25% chance for Simmons, 55% chance for Embiid but he was projected to be number one pick before injury so i would say its closer to 20% chance. With all the losing they had 5% chance to get both Simmons and Embiid. Yeah no luck involved.

Yup. That’s what I said. You interpreted it perfectly. #GreenFont.

Stay in school kid.

Sixers build they strategy around LOTTERY, they missed completely on two high lottery picks, and had around 5% chance to be in a position to draft Simmons and Embiid. If you think strategy build around LOTTERY is not about luck i dont want to discuss with you anything more. And dont try to put me in school becouse there is 99% chance you will look like a moron in comparison to my education.

lol. Is that so? Try me.

[zaymon]

Yup. That’s what I said. You interpreted it perfectly. #GreenFont.

Stay in school kid.

Sixers build they strategy around LOTTERY, they missed completely on two high lottery picks, and had around 5% chance to be in a position to draft Simmons and Embiid. If you think strategy build around LOTTERY is not about luck i dont want to discuss with you anything more. And dont try to put me in school becouse there is 99% chance you will look like a moron in comparison to my education.

lol. Is that so? Try me.

md

[MagicFan101]

Sixers build they strategy around LOTTERY, they missed completely on two high lottery picks, and had around 5% chance to be in a position to draft Simmons and Embiid. If you think strategy build around LOTTERY is not about luck i dont want to discuss with you anything more. And dont try to put me in school becouse there is 99% chance you will look like a moron in comparison to my education.

lol. Is that so? Try me.

md

Cute.

Math BS: Florida State
Math + CS MS: Georgia Tech
Math PhD: Baylor

[zaymon]

lol. Is that so? Try me.

md

Cute.

Math BS: Florida State
Math + CS MS: Georgia Tech
Math PhD: Baylor

And you wanted to put me into school? Dont make me laugh. True teacher i will give you that. Sell your house, buy a lottery ticket with a 5 % chance to win when others have 2,5 % becouse you positioned yourself well and tell me what is luck when you end up homeless

[MagicFan101]

md

Cute.

Math BS: Florida State
Math + CS MS: Georgia Tech
Math PhD: Baylor

And you wanted to put me into school? Dont make me laugh. True teacher i will give you that. Sell your house, buy a lottery ticket with a 5 % chance to win when others have 2,5 % becouse you positioned yourself well and tell me what is luck when you end up homeless

We are far off topic, but what leads you to believe I am a teacher? ... or that I don’t earn as much or more than a doctor?

While an MD is very prestigious and congrats on that; no acompanying student loans and a $200k+ income by 26 in the financial forecasting industry isn’t such a bad route either...

[zaymon]

Cute.

Math BS: Florida State
Math + CS MS: Georgia Tech
Math PhD: Baylor

And you wanted to put me into school? Dont make me laugh. True teacher i will give you that. Sell your house, buy a lottery ticket with a 5 % chance to win when others have 2,5 % becouse you positioned yourself well and tell me what is luck when you end up homeless

We are far off topic, but what leads you to believe I am a teacher? ... or that I don’t earn as much or more than a doctor?

While an MD is very prestigious and congrats on that; no acompanying student loans and a $200k+ income by 26 in the financial forecasting industry isn’t such a bad route either...

I dont want to argue with you, i congratulate you on your education. We are both magic fans and have enough things to worry about. Just dont put me into school and we can have nice and educational discussions.

[ralphie9898]

No way! Tanking is what got us in this mess. It rarely has a chance of working and it's just not worth it. I mean just look at how extreme the losing culture of this team is right now, you want to add 3 or 4 more years of being a bottom feeder to this franchise? The Magic need to bring in someone who is experienced and can build a playoff basketball team first and foremost. No more hoping that if we suck enough, maybe we'll find a franchise player in the draft. It's time to make our own success.

How? We don't have any cap space to sign much. We don't have much in the way of trade value to get a whole lot unless we gut our team of the good young prospects that we have as well as draft picks where we have nothing to put around that player that will then want to leave as soon as he can. And I believe tanking is a myth. I don't think anyone tanks as their jobs are on the line. And why do they because they are trying to get better the only way they can. There are only so many Lebron's and Durants. Some teams are simply going to be bad. They are not necessarily tanking. They just are just the team that loses. You know a a game where there is a winner and a loser. Nobody says Cleveland is tanking in the NFL and no one seems to have a problem with MLB teams being sellers. Philly was about the only team that may have tanked but it got the guy who might have done some it fired. And look where they are now. Cap space and a bunch of premier young talent that already has them one of the better teams in the East. I don't understand all this anger about "tanking". Which is not my word. Rather I would call it rational rebuilding where you can't just get better overnight. Lebron didn't even get his team into the playoffs his rookie year. And not every top pick turns out a Lebron or a Wade or a Bosh. Maybe you might want to stop the best players teaming up together and taking away from either teams. Stop the Warriors from not only getting Durant but also tremendous depth in resigning key role players like McGee or Nick Young and plenty of good role players.

Come on man, don't quote something from a year and half ago!

A lot of stuff has changed since then, but this was my opinion at time with Hennigan in charge. I'm still not a fan of tanking, but even I was wanting the team to lose during the 2nd half of the year when all was lost to get better lottery odds.

Ok sorry didn't see that this was and old thread that this got bumped back to the present. But still most of my argument applies. I don't believe anyone is tanking. Or to explain that term as I see it as not trying to win. I think everybody is trying it is just that there will always be teams that don't win much and one team will be at the bottom. You also very well may see that team be at the bottom for several years. It is fact that one team wins and won teams losses and some or even most of the time that happens because one team simply isn't that good. The fact that those bad teams still get wins and sometimes win against the better teams shows that they are not trying to lose. Why because that could get them fired and hurts what money they may be able to get in the future. I don't get why we "need to reform the draft". I don't think we need to do anything. I think the system is set up where it already discourages "tanking". If not then why did Cleveland win the lottery and the right to select Wiggins which I think was a big part of why they were able to get Lebron back. I didn't understand it back then nor do I now that is a problem.

[Furinkazan]

How? We don't have any cap space to sign much. We don't have much in the way of trade value to get a whole lot unless we gut our team of the good young prospects that we have as well as draft picks where we have nothing to put around that player that will then want to leave as soon as he can. And I believe tanking is a myth. I don't think anyone tanks as their jobs are on the line. And why do they because they are trying to get better the only way they can. There are only so many Lebron's and Durants. Some teams are simply going to be bad. They are not necessarily tanking. They just are just the team that loses. You know a a game where there is a winner and a loser. Nobody says Cleveland is tanking in the NFL and no one seems to have a problem with MLB teams being sellers. Philly was about the only team that may have tanked but it got the guy who might have done some it fired. And look where they are now. Cap space and a bunch of premier young talent that already has them one of the better teams in the East. I don't understand all this anger about "tanking". Which is not my word. Rather I would call it rational rebuilding where you can't just get better overnight. Lebron didn't even get his team into the playoffs his rookie year. And not every top pick turns out a Lebron or a Wade or a Bosh. Maybe you might want to stop the best players teaming up together and taking away from either teams. Stop the Warriors from not only getting Durant but also tremendous depth in resigning key role players like McGee or Nick Young and plenty of good role players.

Come on man, don't quote something from a year and half ago!

A lot of stuff has changed since then, but this was my opinion at time with Hennigan in charge. I'm still not a fan of tanking, but even I was wanting the team to lose during the 2nd half of the year when all was lost to get better lottery odds.

Ok sorry didn't see that this was and old thread that this got bumped back to the present. But still most of my argument applies. I don't believe anyone is tanking. Or to explain that term as I see it as not trying to win. I think everybody is trying it is just that there will always be teams that don't win much and one team will be at the bottom. You also very well may see that team be at the bottom for several years. It is fact that one team wins and won teams losses and some or even most of the time that happens because one team simply isn't that good. The fact that those bad teams still get wins and sometimes win against the better teams shows that they are not trying to lose. Why because that could get them fired and hurts what money they may be able to get in the future. I don't get why we "need to reform the draft". I don't think we need to do anything. I think the system is set up where it already discourages "tanking". If not then why did Cleveland win the lottery and the right to select Wiggins which I think was a big part of why they were able to get Lebron back. I didn't understand it back then nor do I now that is a problem.

what You dont belive anyone is tanking?or dont know why we need to reform the draft etc?
dude Cuban openly speak about tanking then he pulls out a gleague team on the floor... and you still doubt tanking is a thing and
you think its no need to adress that problem? are you dull or are you Adam Silver?(which may be same actually)

[ralphie9898]

Come on man, don't quote something from a year and half ago!

A lot of stuff has changed since then, but this was my opinion at time with Hennigan in charge. I'm still not a fan of tanking, but even I was wanting the team to lose during the 2nd half of the year when all was lost to get better lottery odds.

Ok sorry didn't see that this was and old thread that this got bumped back to the present. But still most of my argument applies. I don't believe anyone is tanking. Or to explain that term as I see it as not trying to win. I think everybody is trying it is just that there will always be teams that don't win much and one team will be at the bottom. You also very well may see that team be at the bottom for several years. It is fact that one team wins and won teams losses and some or even most of the time that happens because one team simply isn't that good. The fact that those bad teams still get wins and sometimes win against the better teams shows that they are not trying to lose. Why because that could get them fired and hurts what money they may be able to get in the future. I don't get why we "need to reform the draft". I don't think we need to do anything. I think the system is set up where it already discourages "tanking". If not then why did Cleveland win the lottery and the right to select Wiggins which I think was a big part of why they were able to get Lebron back. I didn't understand it back then nor do I now that is a problem.

what You dont belive anyone is tanking?or dont know why we need to reform the draft etc?
dude Cuban openly speak about tanking then he pulls out a gleague team on the floor... and you still doubt tanking is a thing and
you think its no need to adress that problem? are you dull or are you Adam Silver?(which may be same actually)

What logical reason is there for a player or coach or Gm to tank? If they do they lose money as they are viewed as guy that had a bad year. It can get you fired so why do it? Otis was fired. Hennigan was fired. Hinkie was fired. The Phoenix coach was fired. For what willfully not trying. If they did that then they would lose every game and yet they didn't. Sorry but I don't see any logical reason for anyone to tank. It is just that they can not get better at their own will as their are better teams that just simply get in their way. It is just a fact that there will be bad teams and they can't get better overnight. False things have often been talked about people in high positions. People once thought the Earth was flat. So as I said no I don't see a problem. I don't see anyone tanking. Rather it is simply how things work. Teams in the NFL don't get blamed for tanking. Instead we all know that they just weren't very good. Why can't we see that in basketball. Both are simply games were there are winners and losers.

But on a side note I do love the image. The truth is out there. But what it is up for debate and you don't need to call dull or Adam Silver. If you want to call me Silver then I take that as a compliment. I don't have much of a problem with him. I do disagree with him on tanking which he does view as problem so not sure what your point is there.