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~Snoopy~ wrote:Simmons smelled he will get a free rein here so he only do what he wants...which is scoring....
DEFENSE?
Vogel never held any vets accountable....wuss
axl_c_cool wrote:~Snoopy~ wrote:Simmons smelled he will get a free rein here so he only do what he wants...which is scoring....
DEFENSE?
Vogel never held any vets accountable....wuss
From Pop to Vogel, big difference, I'm sure he could be the signing we thought with the right coach
Vuc had been the conmon denominator since we have started our rebuild.PrimeShaq wrote:Evan is not the problem. Nor was Dipo, Tobias, or anyone else that we have let go through the years. The real problem is Vuc. He doesn't protect the rim, he can't consistently establish position in the post, he pouts, he consistently takes the worst shot in the game (long 2), and despite the stats he puts up, he never actually makes any real impact on the game in my opinion. His +/- and offensive/defensive ratings during his time here help to back that up. I truly believe that it is time for Vuc to go.
He could be a good piece on a playoff contending team with 1-2 superstars but he is not a top 2 option and I think he will always think he should be that while he is playing for us. I say we trade Vuc this offseason and see what we have in Birch. There are some great SG prospects at the top of the draft next season so if we secure a top 3 pick in 2019, we can wait to make a decision on Evan come draft time.
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Skybox wrote:I keep proposing Evan trades...not because he's bad, but because he has value. I'd really like to see Vuc gone with Mack and possibly Ross or Simmons, in a package for a player but if Evan has to be included, so be it.
What I mean is, I would be not unhappy to see Evan starting next year on the Magic...as long as there are other significant changes to our lineup.
zaymon wrote:Skybox wrote:I keep proposing Evan trades...not because he's bad, but because he has value. I'd really like to see Vuc gone with Mack and possibly Ross or Simmons, in a package for a player but if Evan has to be included, so be it.
What I mean is, I would be not unhappy to see Evan starting next year on the Magic...as long as there are other significant changes to our lineup.
I think he deserves a chance with a proper creator. He is crafty and smart, he is only player on our team who can make significant adjustments mid season. With proper coaching with his length he can be average defender.
Skybox wrote:I've got people I'd prefer, but you can make a very strong case for a guy who scored 18ppg, inside and out, plays with fire...and all within the scope of this recent, system-less, disjointed mess of a dumpster fire....so, not hard to project that he could easily hit for 20ppg just playing off of a guy that draws more attention and can pass a little (Trae?)(Kemba?).
drsd wrote:Skybox wrote:I've got people I'd prefer, but you can make a very strong case for a guy who scored 18ppg, inside and out, plays with fire...and all within the scope of this recent, system-less, disjointed mess of a dumpster fire....so, not hard to project that he could easily hit for 20ppg just playing off of a guy that draws more attention and can pass a little (Trae?)(Kemba?).
I will go further: if Fournier had played in position at SG this year, he would have been a 20 ppg player. That he sacrificed his stat lines because of fatal flaws in the Magic roster should be supported, not criticised.
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cedric76 wrote:No matter what you think of him and Vuc
those 2 guys want to be here and want to win here
Go magic
Evan said that we fired everyone (even the cooking team lol)
He predicts that the new coach will be stackhouse
He says that he wouldnt be surprised if 3/4 of the team wasnt here next season
Rookie preference: doncic
Skybox wrote:I keep proposing Evan trades...not because he's bad, but because he has value. I'd really like to see Vuc gone with Mack and possibly Ross or Simmons, in a package for a player but if Evan has to be included, so be it.
What I mean is, I would be not unhappy to see Evan starting next year on the Magic...as long as there are other significant changes to our lineup.
drsd wrote:Skybox wrote:I keep proposing Evan trades...not because he's bad, but because he has value. I'd really like to see Vuc gone with Mack and possibly Ross or Simmons, in a package for a player but if Evan has to be included, so be it.
What I mean is, I would be not unhappy to see Evan starting next year on the Magic...as long as there are other significant changes to our lineup.
If the Magic lotto-luck in to Dončić, then a Fournier trade seems obliged. Maybe Augustin, Fournier, and Orlando's 2019 and 2021 1st's for Charlotte's Walker and spare parts.
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drsd wrote:Just realised hat Fournier has 6 straight years of ever increasing scoring averages.
MagicFan101 wrote:Fournier is very undervalued here. Running the offense through him and Vuc without a decent PG is a recipe for disaster.
klassi wrote:Blue_and_Whte wrote:nymets1 wrote:Front Office is probably going to try to trade Fournier, Vuc and Biyombo if they can, Unless a trade goes through its hard to see any of them getting traded at this point.
Well Biyombo is a useless piece of **** who should refund his pay check. nobody’s dumb enough to take on that garbage.
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He'll do better once he's starting. The lack of shooting in our second unit this year made him look worse than he is
