Who should WeHam select at 6? (poll)

[Nyce_1]

Tell me how many one way defensive specialists taken in the top 10 of the draft are now developed into successful two way players? Even Oladipo dont qualifies becouse he was skilled enough to play pg.

Would you say Gordon was a defensive specialist out of school? I think he's developed into a 2-way player.

Bamba has potential to be an amazing rim protector, and I also think he has the ability to be productive on offense by spacing the floor. that's rare.

Well i agree that he was viewed as a defensive specialist, but i dont view him as a two way player now. I am one of the biggest AG doubters here so i think other people can agree with you.

what is your definition of a 2-way player?

[zaymon]

Would you say Gordon was a defensive specialist out of school? I think he's developed into a 2-way player.

Bamba has potential to be an amazing rim protector, and I also think he has the ability to be productive on offense by spacing the floor. that's rare.

Well i agree that he was viewed as a defensive specialist, but i dont view him as a two way player now. I am one of the biggest AG doubters here so i think other people can agree with you.

what is your definition of a 2-way player?

Player who plays efficient offense and defense, i would say being better than average is required becouse being average gets you nowhere in the nba. Gordon is nowhere near efficient offensive player, and his defense sadly dropped to average at best.

[tiderulz]

Well i agree that he was viewed as a defensive specialist, but i dont view him as a two way player now. I am one of the biggest AG doubters here so i think other people can agree with you.

what is your definition of a 2-way player?

Player who plays efficient offense and defense, i would say being better than average is required becouse being average gets you nowhere in the nba. Gordon is nowhere near efficient offensive player, and his defense sadly dropped to average at best.

completely agree on this. i would even call Gordon's defense last year below average

[Knightro]

what is your definition of a 2-way player?

Player who plays efficient offense and defense, i would say being better than average is required becouse being average gets you nowhere in the nba. Gordon is nowhere near efficient offensive player, and his defense sadly dropped to average at best.

completely agree on this. i would even call Gordon's defense last year below average

Unfortunately for the Magic, this is not a particularly rare occurrence.

Very often when a player sees dramatic gains in usage on the offensive end, their defensive impact inevitably wanes.

It happened with Kawhi last year, it happened with Giannis this year. The bigger burden you shoulder offensively, the less energy you have for defense.

Gordon's defense is not terrible, but it certainly doesn't match his physical gifts on that end of the floor.

[Nyce_1]

Well i agree that he was viewed as a defensive specialist, but i dont view him as a two way player now. I am one of the biggest AG doubters here so i think other people can agree with you.

what is your definition of a 2-way player?

Player who plays efficient offense and defense, i would say being better than average is required becouse being average gets you nowhere in the nba. Gordon is nowhere near efficient offensive player, and his defense sadly dropped to average at best.

i could almost agree with that definition. Would you call Ariza a 2-way player (i just picked a name and I'll dive into his efficiency based on your reply)? Why or why not?

As for Gordon, I agree that his defense dropped last year, but his offensive role went up a lot (i don't have stats in front of me). I think that's natural for the balance scale to fluctuate one way or another, as young players learn their game and their footing in this league. Gordon is still young and learning his way but I see him as a 2-way player; inefficient, but still a 2-way player. He can be an upper echelon 2-way player with improved consistency and balance.

[MagicFan101]

what is your definition of a 2-way player?

Player who plays efficient offense and defense, i would say being better than average is required becouse being average gets you nowhere in the nba. Gordon is nowhere near efficient offensive player, and his defense sadly dropped to average at best.

i could almost agree with that definition. Would you call Ariza a 2-way player (i just picked a name and I'll dive into his efficiency based on your reply)? Why or why not?

As for Gordon, I agree that his defense dropped last year, but his offensive role went up a lot (i don't have stats in front of me). I think that's natural for the balance scale to fluctuate one way or another, as young players learn their game and their footing in this league. Gordon is still young and learning his way but I see him as a 2-way player; inefficient, but still a 2-way player. He can be an upper echelon 2-way player with improved consistency and balance.

Gordon was forced to be “the guy” for this first time in his career on a bad roster. We saw growing pains. No doubt about it. But we saw growth as well. If peolle pull their heads out of the sand of stats and actually watch some basketball (crazy, I know!) that fact was obvious.

Can he continue to grow? I don’t know.

Can management find us a true #1 to take pressure off on him as he is better suited for the Robin role? I don’t know.

But these are things you have to gamble on. And we will whether most of you like it or not.

[Nyce_1]

Player who plays efficient offense and defense, i would say being better than average is required becouse being average gets you nowhere in the nba. Gordon is nowhere near efficient offensive player, and his defense sadly dropped to average at best.

i could almost agree with that definition. Would you call Ariza a 2-way player (i just picked a name and I'll dive into his efficiency based on your reply)? Why or why not?

As for Gordon, I agree that his defense dropped last year, but his offensive role went up a lot (i don't have stats in front of me). I think that's natural for the balance scale to fluctuate one way or another, as young players learn their game and their footing in this league. Gordon is still young and learning his way but I see him as a 2-way player; inefficient, but still a 2-way player. He can be an upper echelon 2-way player with improved consistency and balance.

Gordon was forced to be “the guy” for this first time in his career on a bad roster. We saw growing pains. No doubt about it. But we saw growth as well. If peolle pull their heads out of the sand of stats and actually watch some basketball (crazy, I know!) that fact was obvious.

Can he continue to grow? I don’t know.

Can management find us a true #1 to take pressure off on him as he is better suited for the Robin role? I don’t know.

But these are things you have to gamble on. And we will whether most of you like it or not.

Agree man. it's not just stats and analytics. watch a game and evaluate.

I tell my co-worker i really think the Magic are 1 piece away (really 2 - counting new coach). They need that #1 scoring option then everyone else will fall in line. Could that be Trae Young? hopefully - i love the kid. But if you don't think he can be THAT guy, why draft him to be Trey Burke and pass up a rim protector that can hit 3s? Or a potential Klay Thompson?

It's all a crap shoot. I enjoy changing my mind daily and finding ways to fit someone else into our future core.

Assuming top 2 are gone, I'd be really excited with:
Young/Bamba/Bridges

I'm still learning to like:
Sexton/JJJ/Porter

[zaymon]

i could almost agree with that definition. Would you call Ariza a 2-way player (i just picked a name and I'll dive into his efficiency based on your reply)? Why or why not?

As for Gordon, I agree that his defense dropped last year, but his offensive role went up a lot (i don't have stats in front of me). I think that's natural for the balance scale to fluctuate one way or another, as young players learn their game and their footing in this league. Gordon is still young and learning his way but I see him as a 2-way player; inefficient, but still a 2-way player. He can be an upper echelon 2-way player with improved consistency and balance.

Gordon was forced to be “the guy” for this first time in his career on a bad roster. We saw growing pains. No doubt about it. But we saw growth as well. If peolle pull their heads out of the sand of stats and actually watch some basketball (crazy, I know!) that fact was obvious.

Can he continue to grow? I don’t know.

Can management find us a true #1 to take pressure off on him as he is better suited for the Robin role? I don’t know.

But these are things you have to gamble on. And we will whether most of you like it or not.

Agree man. it's not just stats and analytics. watch a game and evaluate.

I tell my co-worker i really think the Magic are 1 piece away (really 2 - counting new coach). They need that #1 scoring option then everyone else will fall in line. Could that be Trae Young? hopefully - i love the kid. But if you don't think he can be THAT guy, why draft him to be Trey Burke and pass up a rim protector that can hit 3s? Or a potential Klay Thompson?

It's all a crap shoot. I enjoy changing my mind daily and finding ways to fit someone else into our future core.

Assuming top 2 are gone, I'd be really excited with:
Young/Bamba/Bridges

I'm still learning to like:
Sexton/JJJ/Porter

Player efficiency is tied to system they are plaing in and players they are playing with. One player can be efficient in one system which is generating shots he is good at for example and inefficient in others. In my opinion calling someone a two way player is very tricky. Gordon was not efficient in our system this year, with usage he carried and that is why i dont see him as a two way player for us, it can obviously change, question is how confident you are in those changes. I watched a lot of magic this year and didnt like his game.

[Skybox]

Since the teams picking 2-5 is in deeply need of PF and C this might happen.

Kings has Fox (might take Bagley. Randolph is old)
Atlanta has Schroeder (might take Jackson. Muscala, Dedmon really?)
Grizzlies has Conley (might take Porter their SF is paper thin)
Dallas has DSJr (will take Bamba)
Orlando will think 10x but eventually pick Doncic.

Question:
Wendell Carter (7th pick) + Asik (salary dump) for Vuc (expiring after 1 year)+ Ross (expiring after 1 year) + Mack (expiring after 1 year).

Will you do it?

Doncic. Augustin. Grayson
Fournier. Hezonja. Diallo
Simmons. Isaac. Iwundu
Gordon. Wendell (insurance IF Magic will not match offer sheet)
Asik. Biyombo. Birch

would you trade #6 + Biyombo for cap space next summer? the answer is of course not.

but in the unlikely event the above happened, you take Mikal Bridges to go along with Doncic and never look back

Mikal Bridges = Wesley Iwundu
Wendell Carter = Julius Randle

Those two comparisons are ridiculous. Completely different players regardless of what you consider their ceilings.

[MagicFan101]

Gordon was forced to be “the guy” for this first time in his career on a bad roster. We saw growing pains. No doubt about it. But we saw growth as well. If peolle pull their heads out of the sand of stats and actually watch some basketball (crazy, I know!) that fact was obvious.

Can he continue to grow? I don’t know.

Can management find us a true #1 to take pressure off on him as he is better suited for the Robin role? I don’t know.

But these are things you have to gamble on. And we will whether most of you like it or not.

Agree man. it's not just stats and analytics. watch a game and evaluate.

I tell my co-worker i really think the Magic are 1 piece away (really 2 - counting new coach). They need that #1 scoring option then everyone else will fall in line. Could that be Trae Young? hopefully - i love the kid. But if you don't think he can be THAT guy, why draft him to be Trey Burke and pass up a rim protector that can hit 3s? Or a potential Klay Thompson?

It's all a crap shoot. I enjoy changing my mind daily and finding ways to fit someone else into our future core.

Assuming top 2 are gone, I'd be really excited with:
Young/Bamba/Bridges

I'm still learning to like:
Sexton/JJJ/Porter

Player efficiency is tied to system they are plaing in and players they are playing with. One player can be efficient in one system which is generating shots he is good at for example and inefficient in others. In my opinion calling someone a two way player is very tricky. Gordon was not efficient in our system this year, with usage he carried and that is why i dont see him as a two way player for us, it can obviously change, question is how confident you are in those changes. I watched a lot of magic this year and didnt like his game.

If only our system could change this year...

If only we could have a new head of the ship. A new “coach” if you will...

If only...

[Blue_and_Whte]

Since the teams picking 2-5 is in deeply need of PF and C this might happen.

Kings has Fox (might take Bagley. Randolph is old)
Atlanta has Schroeder (might take Jackson. Muscala, Dedmon really?)
Grizzlies has Conley (might take Porter their SF is paper thin)
Dallas has DSJr (will take Bamba)
Orlando will think 10x but eventually pick Doncic.

Question:
Wendell Carter (7th pick) + Asik (salary dump) for Vuc (expiring after 1 year)+ Ross (expiring after 1 year) + Mack (expiring after 1 year).

Will you do it?

Doncic. Augustin. Grayson
Fournier. Hezonja. Diallo
Simmons. Isaac. Iwundu
Gordon. Wendell (insurance IF Magic will not match offer sheet)
Asik. Biyombo. Birch

would you trade #6 + Biyombo for cap space next summer? the answer is of course not.

but in the unlikely event the above happened, you take Mikal Bridges to go along with Doncic and never look back

Mikal Bridges = Wesley Iwundu
Wendell Carter = Julius Randle

I literally spit out my gum LOL’ing when I read this.


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[Blue_and_Whte]

Tell me how many one way defensive specialists taken in the top 10 of the draft are now developed into successful two way players? Even Oladipo dont qualifies becouse he was skilled enough to play pg.

Would you say Gordon was a defensive specialist out of school? I think he's developed into a 2-way player.

Bamba has potential to be an amazing rim protector, and I also think he has the ability to be productive on offense by spacing the floor. that's rare.

Well i agree that he was viewed as a defensive specialist, but i dont view him as a two way player now. I am one of the biggest AG doubters here so i think other people can agree with you.

He’s not a two way player in any capacity. Maybe, one day developing an ok 3pt shot doesn’t make him a two way player. Even if he was decent at hitting an open 3 now and then he still wouldn’t be a two way player, he would be a 3&D player, barely. You don’t pick those guys sixth. How many times do people have to physically watch this fail before they get it?


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[doct3r dr3]

The Magic suck too bad to select based on anything but BPA. If Bamba or Porter are still on the board, I feel like you gotta take them. If not, (I suspect not), then I dunno, Trae Young, I guess.