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PrimeShaq wrote:
Pretty sure Isaac wouldn't work out for teams outside the top 5. Prospects that they were interested in and able to interview (DSJ) they did. Obviously, I'm not saying that they won't, but it's not looking too good for our chances of drafting him especially if they dont.
PennytoShaq wrote:MagicMatic wrote:Instincts wrote:
How is it any different from Philly's model, they drafted bigs until a few panned out. Noel, Embiid, Okafor, Saric all with high picks. As high as I am on JJJ, AG, and Isaac, history shows for one reason or another draft picks don't pan out. I am not passing on the best player on the board because we have Vuch and Biz on the roster and we need a point guard. I am thinking bigger. By bigger I mean a top three player on a championship team. We need three, we currently have zero with two maybes, I think JJJ can be one.
The difference between phillys model and Orlando is that they actually move on from non-quality starters they draft before they lose too much value. Orlando keeps them as long as possible.
Vuc and Biz aren’t the issue. They can come off the bench until they expire and in Vuc’s case, be moved if necessary.
The issue is AG. He’s only a PF. He’s proven that. Isaac we don’t know if he’s better suited playing on the wing, as a PF, or as a true small ball C. Why relegate him to playing a position because AG has zero versatility and it suits the lineup?
I fully remember the year and offseason everyone was campaigning for AG to be a 3 and Hennigan essentially drafted Ibaka to play big... that worked out great right? AG “lost” a year of development (according to his apologists) and he went back to PF.
I’m not saying it’s exactly the case, but until we know what Isaac is best suited to play, and we know AG isn’t in the future, it is more important to put these players in the best possible situation to succeed.
A lineup of Isaac, AG, and JJJ is questionable offensively and you know it. He likely won’t be there at 6 anyway.
Can you explain what happened Philly and Noel then and also with Okafor? It is not line with what you stated. In fact, you really have no basis for that opinion, unless you want to hang your hat on the one trade this FO made since they got here. And that has been discussed over and over. There is no way they were going to trade the Magic's starting PG at the start of the season, especially when his value was already low anyway.
AG did not lose a year of development at all. Playing on the basketball court is development. It is extremely common for GMs to play young guys out of position their first few years in the league. They do it on purpose. Portland's GM spoke about this exact thing during the combine, since he just did it with Zach Collins. Your concern with this is your own issue, but NBA GM's don't share it.
MagicMatic wrote:PennytoShaq wrote:MagicMatic wrote:
The difference between phillys model and Orlando is that they actually move on from non-quality starters they draft before they lose too much value. Orlando keeps them as long as possible.
Vuc and Biz aren’t the issue. They can come off the bench until they expire and in Vuc’s case, be moved if necessary.
The issue is AG. He’s only a PF. He’s proven that. Isaac we don’t know if he’s better suited playing on the wing, as a PF, or as a true small ball C. Why relegate him to playing a position because AG has zero versatility and it suits the lineup?
I fully remember the year and offseason everyone was campaigning for AG to be a 3 and Hennigan essentially drafted Ibaka to play big... that worked out great right? AG “lost” a year of development (according to his apologists) and he went back to PF.
I’m not saying it’s exactly the case, but until we know what Isaac is best suited to play, and we know AG isn’t in the future, it is more important to put these players in the best possible situation to succeed.
A lineup of Isaac, AG, and JJJ is questionable offensively and you know it. He likely won’t be there at 6 anyway.
Can you explain what happened Philly and Noel then and also with Okafor? It is not line with what you stated. In fact, you really have no basis for that opinion, unless you want to hang your hat on the one trade this FO made since they got here. And that has been discussed over and over. There is no way they were going to trade the Magic's starting PG at the start of the season, especially when his value was already low anyway.
AG did not lose a year of development at all. Playing on the basketball court is development. It is extremely common for GMs to play young guys out of position their first few years in the league. They do it on purpose. Portland's GM spoke about this exact thing during the combine, since he just did it with Zach Collins. Your concern with this is your own issue, but NBA GM's don't share it.
Ah so trading for Ibaka and signing Biz to an insane contract in the offseason was really only to play AG out of position purposely? Nice take. Regardless it failed.
MartinsIzAfraud wrote:DraftXpress Mock as of 5/30 both rounds..
3 guys pulled out of the draft so I highlighted them in yellow.
Kevin Huerter I expect to go Mid/Late 1st
Josh Okogie I expect late 1st/early 2nd
Omari Spellman I expect mid 2nd
Thoughts- No way we take 3 guards but I definitely could see them taking 2 especially if they're off ball type guys. Would be very interesting to see who Magic would take if Milton and Frazier are available at 35. Both are 3 year players from smaller conferences/teams who have improved every year while taking on a larger role. Milton is more of a shooter/ball handler/pick and roll type guy while Frazier is the long,athletic, defensive master. We really couldn't go wrong picking either of these guys at 35.
i dont think we need to pick 2 PGs and a Combo-guard.nymets1 wrote:MartinsIzAfraud wrote:DraftXpress Mock as of 5/30 both rounds..
3 guys pulled out of the draft so I highlighted them in yellow.
Kevin Huerter I expect to go Mid/Late 1st
Josh Okogie I expect late 1st/early 2nd
Omari Spellman I expect mid 2nd
Thoughts- No way we take 3 guards but I definitely could see them taking 2 especially if they're off ball type guys. Would be very interesting to see who Magic would take if Milton and Frazier are available at 35. Both are 3 year players from smaller conferences/teams who have improved every year while taking on a larger role. Milton is more of a shooter/ball handler/pick and roll type guy while Frazier is the long,athletic, defensive master. We really couldn't go wrong picking either of these guys at 35.
Ouch it hurts looking at that mock draft that Donte Divicinzo goes 1 pick before us at 34. Jeveon Carter at pick 41 is fine.
nymets1 wrote:MartinsIzAfraud wrote:DraftXpress Mock as of 5/30 both rounds..
3 guys pulled out of the draft so I highlighted them in yellow.
Kevin Huerter I expect to go Mid/Late 1st
Josh Okogie I expect late 1st/early 2nd
Omari Spellman I expect mid 2nd
Thoughts- No way we take 3 guards but I definitely could see them taking 2 especially if they're off ball type guys. Would be very interesting to see who Magic would take if Milton and Frazier are available at 35. Both are 3 year players from smaller conferences/teams who have improved every year while taking on a larger role. Milton is more of a shooter/ball handler/pick and roll type guy while Frazier is the long,athletic, defensive master. We really couldn't go wrong picking either of these guys at 35.
Ouch it hurts looking at that mock draft that Donte Divicinzo goes 1 pick before us at 34. Jeveon Carter at pick 41 is fine.
PennytoShaq wrote:pepe1991 wrote:Instincts wrote:
JJJs development is far ahead of Ibaka. Was ibaka even playing basketball at 18? Def didn’t have the game JJJ flashes.
I really don't get why people view him as some super developed offensive player. He had so many games where he was complete no factor. In most cases,where he costed himself PT due his silly fouls.
We talk about 10ppg college player.
6 games before his breakout 27 points he played like crap and every game after 27 points breakout- he played like crap.
After 27 points game he was 1-17 from 3 point range , in last game of his season he had zero field goal attemps, two less than game beofre.
But his fouling is ridiculous, he literally had games where he had 5 fouls in 13 and half min.
He can be great, but can as easly end up being new Vonleh and his allegedly great postup and faceup (more athletic Aldrige -comparison). Vonleh, just like him, was 18. Vonleh, just like him, averaged just 11 ppg ( 9 rpg ) and also was fouling a lot.
I personally never said he was super developed, but his game is more suited to what it sounds like the Magic want to do (5 out ball).
He has a 7'4 wingspan. Ibaka's is 7'0
He plays a face up game. Ibaka does not and can not. He tried this year and it's not very good.
That difference is big because JJj can play the perimeter in a 5 out offense. It will be tough for bigs to defend him out there.
Vonleh had a lot of question marks and was considered a project when he was drafted. Additionally he did not have the same type of face up perimeter game, and was projected to be a stretch 4. JJj is a stretch 5 who is considered to have an NBA ready body and is expected to be a contributor day 1. This guy is NBA ready now. These players are simply not the same.
