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Re: Playoffs 2017-18 

Post#661 » by Optimus_Steel » Thu Jun 7, 2018 2:02 pm

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Knightro wrote:The competitive balance of the league has shifted dramatically towards one team and there's no real end in sight on that.


Absolutely. Which is actually why it's OK for the Magic to be terrible during this era. Even if Payton, Gordon, Oladipo all became superstars - they weren't going to beat GSW.

I think parity will come back to the NBA in 2-3 years either naturally from players moving around or the league stepping in to stop it. Either way, hopefully we'll be in line to be competitive once the LeBron vs. GSW era is over.


Yes. I have said this for a while. In fact, I know that Rob Hennigan told the FO when he got hired that no one was beating LBJ any time soon, so we may as well tank and rebuild through the draft. People got greedy and wanted to make the playoffs and that derailed it.

I think the new timeline is 2020 and by then I believe we will see things open up a little.


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Re: Playoffs 2017-18 

Post#662 » by PennytoShaq » Thu Jun 7, 2018 2:55 pm

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Absolutely. Which is actually why it's OK for the Magic to be terrible during this era. Even if Payton, Gordon, Oladipo all became superstars - they weren't going to beat GSW.

I think parity will come back to the NBA in 2-3 years either naturally from players moving around or the league stepping in to stop it. Either way, hopefully we'll be in line to be competitive once the LeBron vs. GSW era is over.


Yes. I have said this for a while. In fact, I know that Rob Hennigan told the FO when he got hired that no one was beating LBJ any time soon, so we may as well tank and rebuild through the draft. People got greedy and wanted to make the playoffs and that derailed it.

I think the new timeline is 2020 and by then I believe we will see things open up a little.


2030 according to Alex :wink:


Right...the whole title thing. I'm thinking 2020 playoffs for us. That gives the team 10 years to fulfill the Martins prophecy..lol.
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Re: Playoffs 2017-18 

Post#663 » by Shady Franchise » Thu Jun 7, 2018 3:25 pm

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DO people really call "4 superstars team" because they count 9,3 ppg career player as superstar?
Korver was allstar 2 years ago. Fact.
Deron was 3 times allstar, 2 times all nba second team. Fact.
Derrick was former 2# pick. Fact.

Their team is nowhere near as bad as people making up to be. Their team is bad because Lebron controls ball, gives it up to nobody and makes things harder on offense and defense than it should be. You can't take guy like Clarkson and take ball away from him. You can't take guy like Hood and bench him for 2 series to remember he exists in middle of game 3 of nba finals.
In general you can't change 5 players in middle of a season and expect to compete.

Isaiah Thomas would be more useful than half of players they have now,but ofc, Lebron couldn't stand him. Pure hate between them.

Heat team wasn't any worst than this Warriors team, they still only won 2 rings. Than Lebron "went home" because he thought Wade is done and Love was MVP candidate and Irving was upcomming new superstar. ( remember letter and how everything was planned in advanced, he had zero interest in keeping Wiggins or playing with young guys in general )

no, the team is bad. Korver never should have been an all-star that year. who cares if Derrick was a #2 pick. Bennet was a #1 pick, should we laud him if he plays for any team? And Korver was all-star 3 years ago, not 2. Deron Williams in Cleveland was worse than Jordan in Washington. and no, Green isnt a superstar, neither is Klay. GS has 2 in Curry and Durant.


My whole point about Warriors dominance is that they are not really that great ( Rockets almost beat them ) but when they reach nba finals, and face competition from East , it looks like allstar team facing G league roster.
It's sad that guys like Korver were allstar.


The Warriors weren't on their A game the ENTIRE playoffs. They were clearly not playing like the last couple of years in the playoffs, yet they still steamrolled through the league. The Rockets are a good team! They'll have their shot again next year if they play their cards right this off-season. If the trend continues, next year someone may get lucky and catch the Warriors still celebrating this Championship. My bet is whatever team Lebron is on, the Rockets, or maybe it's both?
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Re: Playoffs 2017-18 

Post#664 » by Shady Franchise » Thu Jun 7, 2018 3:30 pm

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pepe1991 wrote:DO people really call "4 superstars team" because they count 9,3 ppg career player as superstar?
Korver was allstar 2 years ago. Fact.
Deron was 3 times allstar, 2 times all nba second team. Fact.
Derrick was former 2# pick. Fact.

Their team is nowhere near as bad as people making up to be. Their team is bad because Lebron controls ball, gives it up to nobody and makes things harder on offense and defense than it should be. You can't take guy like Clarkson and take ball away from him. You can't take guy like Hood and bench him for 2 series to remember he exists in middle of game 3 of nba finals.
In general you can't change 5 players in middle of a season and expect to compete.

Isaiah Thomas would be more useful than half of players they have now,but ofc, Lebron couldn't stand him. Pure hate between them.

Heat team wasn't any worst than this Warriors team, they still only won 2 rings. Than Lebron "went home" because he thought Wade is done and Love was MVP candidate and Irving was upcomming new superstar. ( remember letter and how everything was planned in advanced, he had zero interest in keeping Wiggins or playing with young guys in general )


I'd also add that the Cavs had Derick Rose at the start of the year but traded him away to (apparently) appease LeBron. Rose played pretty great ball for the Wolves in the playoffs. I'm pretty sure Rose would make the Cavs way more competitive in this series.


The Cavs team, before all of the trades, would have fared better against the Warriors IMO. Lebron and Love needed someone like IT or Wade to help with the offensive load.
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Re: Playoffs 2017-18 

Post#665 » by swarlesbarkley » Thu Jun 7, 2018 3:55 pm

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pepe1991 wrote:DO people really call "4 superstars team" because they count 9,3 ppg career player as superstar?
Korver was allstar 2 years ago. Fact.
Deron was 3 times allstar, 2 times all nba second team. Fact.
Derrick was former 2# pick. Fact.

Their team is nowhere near as bad as people making up to be. Their team is bad because Lebron controls ball, gives it up to nobody and makes things harder on offense and defense than it should be. You can't take guy like Clarkson and take ball away from him. You can't take guy like Hood and bench him for 2 series to remember he exists in middle of game 3 of nba finals.
In general you can't change 5 players in middle of a season and expect to compete.

Isaiah Thomas would be more useful than half of players they have now,but ofc, Lebron couldn't stand him. Pure hate between them.

Heat team wasn't any worst than this Warriors team, they still only won 2 rings. Than Lebron "went home" because he thought Wade is done and Love was MVP candidate and Irving was upcomming new superstar. ( remember letter and how everything was planned in advanced, he had zero interest in keeping Wiggins or playing with young guys in general )


I'd also add that the Cavs had Derick Rose at the start of the year but traded him away to (apparently) appease LeBron. Rose played pretty great ball for the Wolves in the playoffs. I'm pretty sure Rose would make the Cavs way more competitive in this series.


The Cavs team, before all of the trades, would have fared better against the Warriors IMO. Lebron and Love needed someone like IT or Wade to help with the offensive load.


Dang. Yeah I forgot they still had Wade this year too. LeBron, Love, IT, Wade, Rose is a way better line-up than what they're trotting out there now. That squad probably takes the series to 6 maybe 7 instead of losing in 4 or 5 (my guess).

That's one of my big issues with LeBron is that he leaves a team in shambles after squeezing it for all its money to bring in players he wants to play with.
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Re: Playoffs 2017-18 

Post#666 » by Nemesis21 » Fri Jun 8, 2018 2:15 pm

One more game until Lebron ditches Cleveland again.
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Re: Playoffs 2017-18 

Post#667 » by Nemesis21 » Sat Jun 9, 2018 3:52 am

How sweep it is!!! It's official Lebron is not the GOAT. Swept twice in the Finals, '07 & '18. That NEVER happened to Jordan.


And for the fourth time, Lebron refuse to shake hands with the team that beat him in ECF or Finals. Classless punk MF!
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Re: Playoffs 2017-18 

Post#668 » by nymets1 » Sat Jun 9, 2018 4:08 am

Mark Jackson mentioned that Lebron did shake hands before he subbed out of the game for the final time. Jordan didn't go up against a super team in his days that Lebron has to go up against the Warriors. Since the Warriors added Durant they got 4 all stars. No team in Jordan's era had 4 all stars on the same team and a solid bench.

I wish Lebron could stay in Cleveland if that roster can improve next year so I'm guessing Lebron goes to the 76ers. He can stay in the East and still be close to Cleveland kinda.
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Re: Playoffs 2017-18 

Post#669 » by pepe1991 » Sat Jun 9, 2018 8:24 am

nymets1 wrote:Mark Jackson mentioned that Lebron did shake hands before he subbed out of the game for the final time. Jordan didn't go up against a super team in his days that Lebron has to go up against the Warriors. Since the Warriors added Durant they got 4 all stars. No team in Jordan's era had 4 all stars on the same team and a solid bench.

I wish Lebron could stay in Cleveland if that roster can improve next year so I'm guessing Lebron goes to the 76ers. He can stay in the East and still be close to Cleveland kinda.


Jordan never jumped teams to chase rings or created superteams on his own. In first 3peat he had Pippen and Grant was good player ( two times allstar but mostly because of Jordan, not despite him playing with Jordan, career 11 ppg player) . Other 2 starters were Paxton and B.J. Armstrong, both below 10 ppg career players.
Stacey King, their starting PF in 1993 i think, averaged 5 ppg and 4 rpg.

In same 1992, Knicks who played 7 games series with them had better bench AND better starting lineup overall. Eving, Starks, Jackson, WIlkins and McDaniel. Starks wasn't even starter.

In nba finals Blazers had in regular seson 7 player who averaged ppgs in double digit , at times in his prime super elite Drextler, allstar Porter and guys like Kersey, Robinson, hell Danny Ainge himself off bench.

Next year Knicks were 61 wins team , met with Bulls in eastern conference as 1# seed on East. Bulls beat them in 6 games, than , again in nba finals Bulls didn't have home court adventage because they went against Suns ,who won 62 games. Suns had FOUR players over 15 ppg , Kevin Johnson and Majerle were all allstars. So team of 3 allstars AND Richard Dumas, rookie who was projected to be star , at times ( 23 y.o), in rookie year averaged 16 ppg ( but hooked on drugs and ruined his career later ).
Yet , Bulls beat them, and that was year when Barkley finally admited Jordan is better than him.


Sorry but Bulls first 3 rings were against teams of allstars where they had MJ, really good but at times really not that great Pippen and solid Horace Grant and group of players nobody really knew nothing about.

When was last time Lebron met actual contender with 1 legit superstar of Ewing's magnitude with 2 other above average players - borderline allstars? Craptors? 35 years old KG and Celtics? Deng ,Rose and Boozer ?
His competition on East has been Paul Geroge, one leg Granger, 7'3 - 0 rpg ,0 ppg Hibbert and Oladipo, Bogdanovic, Turner and Thad Young. :banghead:
In general, who was superstar that LEbron beat on East that is top 5 player in last 5 years? i really can't name anybody. Mostly becuse East doesn't have player apart from Lebron, that belongs in top 5 category ( maybe Giannis now? )
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Re: Playoffs 2017-18 

Post#670 » by Magic4champ » Sat Jun 9, 2018 8:49 am

If I will be a magic owner. I will trade all my assets for cap space. Try to lure Le Bron sign Kwai Lenard. Sign Dwight Howard and Paul George. Then draft Trae as starting PG. There is only 1 way to fight this warriors avengers team. Its with Superstars with the gauntlet.
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Re: Playoffs 2017-18 

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Re: Playoffs 2017-18 

Post#672 » by pepe1991 » Sat Jun 9, 2018 5:41 pm

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Let' not forget that Duncan waas almost 6-0 in nba finals as well, if Rey didn't make that three LEbron would be 2-7 :o
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