Does Vegas know something we don't....Kawhi to Orlando?

[p0peye]

The magic may secretly want to move off of ag and may see this as a win win. They get a superstar, sell out games and then worst case have a ton of cap the next season.

The above is probably about 10% or less true, but i guess we will see if rumors heat up.

I actually wouldn’t be against this. If we somehow convinced Tyreke or Thomas or we’re able to trade for Kemba or Eric Bledsoe, the following lineup could conceivably make it to the ECF:

Bamba
Isaac
Kawhi
Fournier
Bledsoe/Walker/IT/Evans

Who knows? Maybe the success might encourage Kawhi to stay. Probably not, but the cap space may be better than being saddled with AG for 4-5 years.

I like that lineup with Kemba and would be perfectly fine with nice showing in 2nd round. For a young team that dwelled in cellar it shows significant improvement - and we would have 2 players under 20 in starting lineup at that.

[Mauro Pedrosa]

Kawhi and Patty for Vucevic, Fournier and a pick. And maybe some other contract to make it work

If Kawhi leaves, we still get a Pg that can shoot and is unselfish on a decent contract.

Man, this is serious fantasy land stuff. I am sorry to say it, but no way we get that lucky.

I'm not moving Bamba or Isaac for 1 year of Kawhi. AG I would think about it, but the Spurs know they don't have a lot of leverage. Their best bet is to swallow their pride and get Ingram and Kuzma

[NavalAviator94]

Kawhi and Patty for Vucevic, Fournier and a pick. And maybe some other contract to make it work

If Kawhi leaves, we still get a Pg that can shoot and is unselfish on a decent contract.

Man, this is serious fantasy land stuff. I am sorry to say it, but no way we get that lucky.

I'm not moving Bamba or Isaac for 1 year of Kawhi. AG I would think about it, but the Spurs know they don't have a lot of leverage. Their best bet is to swallow their pride and get Ingram and Kuzma

No doubt - unless the Clippers can put together a better package where we could conceivably be a facilitator.

[MagicFan4Lyfe]

Kawhi and Patty for Vucevic, Fournier and a pick. And maybe some other contract to make it work

If Kawhi leaves, we still get a Pg that can shoot and is unselfish on a decent contract.

Man, this is serious fantasy land stuff. I am sorry to say it, but no way we get that lucky.

I'm not moving Bamba or Isaac for 1 year of Kawhi. AG I would think about it, but the Spurs know they don't have a lot of leverage. Their best bet is to swallow their pride and get Ingram and Kuzma

Agree. We have to commit to Isaac and Bamba. However I would be open to dealing a protected first and AG for a year of Kawhi. It is risky.... but Kawhi/Isaac/Bamba frontcourt..... ....

[axl_c_cool]

The most you offer is Vucevic + Fournier + Ross + Augustine + Simmons + OKC pick + 2019 2nd round pick for Khawi + bad contracts

We have Biz until 2020 so taking on an extra year of a deal/s, low level picks, and giving the veterans Pops would likes, especially Fournier is the most and biggest risk we can take for a year of Khawi


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[p0peye]

The most you offer is Vucevic + Fournier + Ross + Augustine + Simmons + OKC pick + 2019 2nd round pick for Khawi + bad contracts

We have Biz until 2020 so taking on an extra year of a deal/s, low level picks, and giving the veterans Pops would likes, especially Fournier is the most and biggest risk we can take for a year of Khawi


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I'm totally against taking bad contracts, for they are here to stay if Kawhi leaves and together with potentially maxed out AG we are capped out and have a jam at PF.

We should offer similar deal that got PG to OKC: resigned AG + OKC pick, or Vučević + Fournier.

[axl_c_cool]

The most you offer is Vucevic + Fournier + Ross + Augustine + Simmons + OKC pick + 2019 2nd round pick for Khawi + bad contracts

We have Biz until 2020 so taking on an extra year of a deal/s, low level picks, and giving the veterans Pops would likes, especially Fournier is the most and biggest risk we can take for a year of Khawi


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I'm totally against taking bad contracts, for they are here to stay if Kawhi leaves and together with potentially maxed out AG we are capped out and have a jam at PF.

We should offer similar deal that got PG to OKC: resigned AG + OKC pick, or Vučević + Fournier.

You’d give up AG, a genuine talent for a rental, but wouldn’t take salary until 2020/21? Biyombo comes off our cap then anyway. It took a hit and then had a ton off together we’d be FA players and still have AG. If we give him up and Khawi goes we have cap and a loss of talent. I know which I’d take, easily


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[OrlandoMagic]

I would do everything possible to get him without giving up Gordon Issac or Bamba. And if we were able to get him I would even slide him and see if he can handle SG. Stick with a cheap DJ at PG and roll a starting lineup of

DJ/Leonard/Issac/Gordon/Bamba

[bargnanimvp]

all this talk over some betting odds and zero rumors

[gde684]

I propose the KGB(Kawhi Gordon Bamba) as a nickname if true


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[Last Guardian]

I think it is just because we have the assets to get him. Not that we would actually do it, given that everyone knows where he wants to go.

[gde684]

Orlando being this high in vegas eyes definitely means we are in the running. Most likely that some very large bets have been placed in our favor considering it is very unlikely the casual gambler would consider us a potential landing spot. I’m as surprised as everyone else but this certainly holds weight. Vegas odds are not random. I would assume that we must be in active discussions for such a dramatic change in the odds. The real question is Isaac on the table? Or is it an offer based around vuc/Fournier + future picks? I say no if we have to trade Isaac but I would be willing to gamble on the latter because we could always trade him at the deadline to recoup assets and it’s a risk worth taking.


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[TheShoe1010]

Orlando being this high in vegas eyes definitely means we are in the running. Most likely that some very large bets have been placed in our favor considering it is very unlikely the casual gambler would consider us a potential landing spot. I’m as surprised as everyone else but this certainly holds weight. Vegas odds are not random. I would assume that we must be in active discussions for such a dramatic change in the odds. The real question is Isaac on the table? Or is it an offer based around vuc/Fournier + future picks? I say no if we have to trade Isaac but I would be willing to gamble on the latter because we could always trade him at the deadline to recoup assets and it’s a risk worth taking.


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I agree. If Vegas adjusts odds it's because money is being put down. Who in the hell would put anything of significance on Orlando if there isn't at least a rumor about it somewhere.

I mean, on the surface it would make sense. He's the type of player this FO covets and this franchise has been lacking a star for awhile. If they feel like they'll get priced out of their comfort zone for AG anyways, they could move him to San Antonio with Fournier or whoever else and SA gets him out of the Western conference, at least for a year.

Not saying it's going to happen. Kawhi will probably leave after the year anyways and Aaron Gordon will average 25/10 in two years for SA. But the fact that odds have shifted in our favor is certainly interesting.

[NavalAviator94]

Orlando being this high in vegas eyes definitely means we are in the running. Most likely that some very large bets have been placed in our favor considering it is very unlikely the casual gambler would consider us a potential landing spot. I’m as surprised as everyone else but this certainly holds weight. Vegas odds are not random. I would assume that we must be in active discussions for such a dramatic change in the odds. The real question is Isaac on the table? Or is it an offer based around vuc/Fournier + future picks? I say no if we have to trade Isaac but I would be willing to gamble on the latter because we could always trade him at the deadline to recoup assets and it’s a risk worth taking.


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Here's what I think is going on. We've been talking with every major team that could be involved in big trades. We've opened the doors to picks, players and cap space. That's a lot of flexibility and we do have some prospects. My guess is they've talked to the same teams and our name comes up as a team that's got all the variables and are willing to use them. Now - no one really knows where Kawhi is going to go, likely even Kawhi. Additionally - we would never give an asset for a player that you can count on leaving. But hey, it's Orlando! They might do that so viola - we become the unexpected option.

[p0peye]

Orlando being this high in vegas eyes definitely means we are in the running. Most likely that some very large bets have been placed in our favor considering it is very unlikely the casual gambler would consider us a potential landing spot. I’m as surprised as everyone else but this certainly holds weight. Vegas odds are not random. I would assume that we must be in active discussions for such a dramatic change in the odds. The real question is Isaac on the table? Or is it an offer based around vuc/Fournier + future picks? I say no if we have to trade Isaac but I would be willing to gamble on the latter because we could always trade him at the deadline to recoup assets and it’s a risk worth taking.


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I agree. If Vegas adjusts odds it's because money is being put down. Who in the hell would put anything of significance on Orlando if there isn't at least a rumor about it somewhere.

I mean, on the surface it would make sense. He's the type of player this FO covets and this franchise has been lacking a star for awhile. If they feel like they'll get priced out of their comfort zone for AG anyways, they could move him to San Antonio with Fournier or whoever else and SA gets him out of the Western conference, at least for a year.

Not saying it's going to happen. Kawhi will probably leave after the year anyways and Aaron Gordon will average 25/10 in two years for SA. But the fact that odds have shifted in our favor is certainly interesting.

I to could see that to actually be the case. In a hypothetical "ideal" 5 year max contract with Magic starting with $25.3M with 8% annual raise, Gordon's final year would be worth $34.4 million.



However, it will be difficult to find a working sign-and-trade option with Aaron considering BYC rule.

[TheShoe1010]

Orlando being this high in vegas eyes definitely means we are in the running. Most likely that some very large bets have been placed in our favor considering it is very unlikely the casual gambler would consider us a potential landing spot. I’m as surprised as everyone else but this certainly holds weight. Vegas odds are not random. I would assume that we must be in active discussions for such a dramatic change in the odds. The real question is Isaac on the table? Or is it an offer based around vuc/Fournier + future picks? I say no if we have to trade Isaac but I would be willing to gamble on the latter because we could always trade him at the deadline to recoup assets and it’s a risk worth taking.


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I agree. If Vegas adjusts odds it's because money is being put down. Who in the hell would put anything of significance on Orlando if there isn't at least a rumor about it somewhere.

I mean, on the surface it would make sense. He's the type of player this FO covets and this franchise has been lacking a star for awhile. If they feel like they'll get priced out of their comfort zone for AG anyways, they could move him to San Antonio with Fournier or whoever else and SA gets him out of the Western conference, at least for a year.

Not saying it's going to happen. Kawhi will probably leave after the year anyways and Aaron Gordon will average 25/10 in two years for SA. But the fact that odds have shifted in our favor is certainly interesting.

I to could see that to actually be the case. In a hypothetical "ideal" 5 year max contract with Magic starting with $25.3M with 8% annual raise, Gordon's final year would be worth $34.4 million.



However, it will be difficult to find a working sign-and-trade option with Aaron considering BYC rule.

Good point. It could still get done but it certainly does make things more difficult.

[Mario_Kasun]

Orlando being this high in vegas eyes definitely means we are in the running. Most likely that some very large bets have been placed in our favor considering it is very unlikely the casual gambler would consider us a potential landing spot. I’m as surprised as everyone else but this certainly holds weight. Vegas odds are not random. I would assume that we must be in active discussions for such a dramatic change in the odds. The real question is Isaac on the table? Or is it an offer based around vuc/Fournier + future picks? I say no if we have to trade Isaac but I would be willing to gamble on the latter because we could always trade him at the deadline to recoup assets and it’s a risk worth taking.


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Somebody def knows something. Major sportsbooks have ears everywhere, and probably know Magic and Spurs have been talking. Anybody who gambles on futures knows the +350 sticks out like a sore thumb. Just to give that some context, Trump was +550 at 8pm on election night. Politics aside, everyone thought HRC was a lock to be president. Crazier things have happened.