Hammonds revenge: Orlando Magic (2-3) @ Milwaukee Bucks (5-0)- 8:30 PM

[PennytoShaq]

Point is the people getting paid to find talent, missed out on Mitchell ! Don’t care what’s fans thought , it’s the gms job to find the best talent and to this point they have not .

By that logic the Rockets should have fired their GM and all scouts for passing on MJ. Psshh, all they got was a league MVP, 2xDPOY, 12xAll-Star and 2 championships out of that Hakeem bum!

Never said someone should be fired , just that they made a mistake not drafting Donovan Mitchell . If we have a future hall of famer on our roster please let me know who it is. Lol

So what were your thoughts on Mitchell pre draft? I’d like to see them. Because if anyone should be upset we did not get him, it should be me. And honestly, I was upset that we did not try and trade up get him, but I am not privy to those negotiations. Isaac Plus Mitchell would have been amazing for us. Changed the entire trajectory of the team. I just don’t see the point in constantly complaining about things I can not control.

[basketballRob]

Last year people here critizing Hammond were saying the Bucks sucked and were not going to be very good long term. Now they have started off with a 7-0 start and the only player they are really missing from that equation was Jabari Parker

There is a larger difference here with the Bucks this season. Since Hammond left in late May 2017, the team has acquired Eric Bledsoe, Brook Lopez, Ilyasova, Christian Wood and drafted Donte DiVincenzo. All five of those guys are significant upgrades over Hammond guys such as Thon Maker, Matthew Dellevadova, John Henson, etc.

Set aside the draft for a second, one area where the Bucks really struggled was Hammond's inability to fit pieces together. He went out and proactively acquired Stephen Jackson, vouched to acquire Corey Maggette (since he coached him with the Clippers), signed Drew Gooden to a massive deal on day one of free agency, signed Keyon Dooling to a FA contract, etc, etc.

Realize some of you guys are excited to have him in Orlando. That's great. I'm just standing by in case you need help with the fan billboard to clean house.

I like that Brogdon kid with the unusually long 6 10.5 wingspan for a PG/SG. I think he should be added to the group of long wingspan guys that Hammond drafted.

[Mc-o]

By that logic the Rockets should have fired their GM and all scouts for passing on MJ. Psshh, all they got was a league MVP, 2xDPOY, 12xAll-Star and 2 championships out of that Hakeem bum!

Never said someone should be fired , just that they made a mistake not drafting Donovan Mitchell . If we have a future hall of famer on our roster please let me know who it is. Lol

So what were your thoughts on Mitchell pre draft? I’d like to see them. Because if anyone should be upset we did not get him, it should be me. And honestly, I was upset that we did not try and trade up get him, but I am not privy to those negotiations. Isaac Plus Mitchell would have been amazing for us. Changed the entire trajectory of the team. I just don’t see the point in constantly complaining about things I can not control.

I don’t constantly complain though, I didn’t have any thoughts on Isaac or Mitchell but it’s not my job . My point is this front office hasn’t done any moves that make me trust they are going to Mae an a difference

[MagicFan101]

Never said someone should be fired , just that they made a mistake not drafting Donovan Mitchell . If we have a future hall of famer on our roster please let me know who it is. Lol

So what were your thoughts on Mitchell pre draft? I’d like to see them. Because if anyone should be upset we did not get him, it should be me. And honestly, I was upset that we did not try and trade up get him, but I am not privy to those negotiations. Isaac Plus Mitchell would have been amazing for us. Changed the entire trajectory of the team. I just don’t see the point in constantly complaining about things I can not control.

I don’t constantly complain though, I didn’t have any thoughts on Isaac or Mitchell but it’s not my job . My point is this front office hasn’t done any moves that make me trust they are going to Mae an a difference

Mitchell is a 22 year old undersized SG who when asked to play the point struggled mightily.

The red flags were strong pre-draft and some remain.

Bravo to him for showing his game can translate better than people expected but I still have reservations about him.

Odds are Mitchell has a better career than Isaac but we have seen enough from JI to already throw some doubt on that. Pre-draft there is just no way you ignore the red flag an on Mitchell at #6.

For every Mitchell there are hundreds of duds. You can’t go crazy about those kinds of misses.

Darko over Melo, Bosh and Wade all in top 5 is a scenario you freak out over. Okafor over Porzingis is another. Mitchell is a surprise.

[NavalAviator94]

Guys - there are no do overs in trades. We can sit here and look back on what someone coulda, shoulda but didn't do all day long or we can focus on what reality is - what we have today and how we can get better. Dwelling on the past is depressing, thinking about what our future could be is not.

Carry on.

[Blue_and_Whte]

If were going to play like this all season then just roll with our young kids to give us as a good a chance as we can at a top pick. Nik and Evan dont need to waste the prime of their careers here and we don't need to win meaningless games.

They have a 23-year old, a 21-year old and a 20-year old in the rotation. Two of them start and play big minutes. The other is the main big off the bench and consistency gets all the minutes he can handle right now.

Who else is there?

Should Wes Iwundu be playing more? Frazier?

The three young guys they have that matter are all playing a lot.

I’m not debating minute distribution among our main group Of young guys. I’m advocating that if we’re going to be THIS bipolar then we may as well move on from our best players now, and yes, give minutes to guys like Iwundu and Frazier. Assuming we accomplish that without jeopardizeing cap flexibility.
I’m not usually an “eff it let the kids play” kind of person...but eff it let’s let the kids play. What else do we have to play for?

[Optimus_Steel]

Guys - there are no do overs in trades. We can sit here and look back on what someone coulda, shoulda but didn't do all day long or we can focus on what reality is - what we have today and how we can get better. Dwelling on the past is depressing, thinking about what our future could be is not.

Carry on.

Its about recognizing draft mistakes, failures of draft philosophy that has failed, and learn from them so you do not repeat them. I don't see that we have learned yet about how to build a team.

[Tarheel]

Guys - there are no do overs in trades. We can sit here and look back on what someone coulda, shoulda but didn't do all day long or we can focus on what reality is - what we have today and how we can get better. Dwelling on the past is depressing, thinking about what our future could be is not.

Carry on.

Its about recognizing draft mistakes, failures of draft philosophy that has failed, and learn from them so you do not repeat them. I don't see that we have learned yet about how to build a team.

I'd argue the team hasn't been built yet. If anything Weltman and Hammond are learning from the mistakes of the previous regime by adopting a measured approach and not trying to rush anything. It's too early to tell how good they are at team building as they're currently only responsible for about half of it - most of which have been low-risk, high-reward gambles (Simmons, Grant, Martin). They haven't really paid off to date but that doesn't matter as they aren't being paid very much and will all be off the books next year if they don't show enough.

This summer Vuc's contract drops off if he isn't traded and with another lottery pick in tow I think we'll be in a pretty good position. I'm higher on Weltman and Hammond than most because I think they are sticking to a sustainable model. I get why a lot of people don't like it but it will be better for us in the long run, IMO.