Which route to take?

[drsd]

Dwight started and played all 82 games at around 32mpg and averaged 12ppg and 10rpg as a rookie. Bamba would probably do the same or similar given the playing time. I see no reason why he shouldn’t be able to handle that in the second half of the season.

Trade Vuc before the deadline regardless.

Howard played at PF next to a fairly poor Center combo in Battie/Cato. But the team didn't;t suck finishing at 36-46, and was in a playoff hunt through at least game 70.

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[pepe1991]

Dwight started and played all 82 games at around 32mpg and averaged 12ppg and 10rpg as a rookie.. Bamba would probably do the same or similar given the playing time. I see no reason why he shouldn’t be able to handle that in the second half of the season.

Trade Vuc before the deadline regardless.

Because Howard was physical specimen, maybe one of most physiclly gifted players in last 20 years ( strenght, stamina, avoiding injuries, lean muscle mass ) and Bamba is out of breath after 5 min of PT?
Bamba doesn't even have stamina to sprint , guy jogs around like it's practice in middle of June

People simply forget what Howard was. Guy in first 6 years =492 games total, MISSED THREE GAMES.

I see no reason why he shouldn’t be able to handle that in the second half of the season.

He bearly handles 17 min. That's why.

[basketballRob]

Dwight started and played all 82 games at around 32mpg and averaged 12ppg and 10rpg as a rookie.. Bamba would probably do the same or similar given the playing time. I see no reason why he shouldn’t be able to handle that in the second half of the season.

Trade Vuc before the deadline regardless.

Because Howard was physical specimen, maybe one of most physiclly gifted players in last 20 years ( strenght, stamina, avoiding injuries, lean muscle mass ) and Bamba is out of breath after 5 min of PT?
Bamba doesn't even have stamina to sprint , guy jogs around like it's practice in middle of June

People simply forget what Howard was. Guy in first 6 years =492 games total, MISSED THREE GAMES.

I see no reason why he shouldn’t be able to handle that in the second half of the season.

He bearly handles 17 min. That's why.

He beats his man down the court every time, I don't see it. I don't see him out of breath either. He could easily play 30 mpg.

[pepe1991]

Dwight started and played all 82 games at around 32mpg and averaged 12ppg and 10rpg as a rookie.. Bamba would probably do the same or similar given the playing time. I see no reason why he shouldn’t be able to handle that in the second half of the season.

Trade Vuc before the deadline regardless.

Because Howard was physical specimen, maybe one of most physiclly gifted players in last 20 years ( strenght, stamina, avoiding injuries, lean muscle mass ) and Bamba is out of breath after 5 min of PT?
Bamba doesn't even have stamina to sprint , guy jogs around like it's practice in middle of June

People simply forget what Howard was. Guy in first 6 years =492 games total, MISSED THREE GAMES.

I see no reason why he shouldn’t be able to handle that in the second half of the season.

He bearly handles 17 min. That's why.

He beats his man down the court every time, I don't see it. I don't see him out of breath either. He could easily play 30 mpg.

Let's just break down the film from last game

Watch on YouTube

2:16

has no clue what to do or where to stand

2:23
late to return on defense, allows uncotested layup

2:50
Valenchunas boxes him out WITH ONE HAND , shows zero resistance or will to go in paint


2:59
just look at this lazy a** effort, he was jogging behind Valenchunas whole time . Jonas is what ? 270 pounds, somehow runned faster and got dunk?

7:32
block chaising when it's clear it's overkill to follow Isaac who already chases same block, nobody to body up Valenchunas, another dunk

In game decided by one possession, him having +/- of -10 and him allowing 3 uncotested dunks for Valenchunas is little peace that added to final L in winable game. And he only played 14 min yet got cought jogging with no effort twice.
And this is me ignoring that he has no offense whatsoever and that he spends time standing in corner spotting up for shots he can't make.

[basketballRob]

Because Howard was physical specimen, maybe one of most physiclly gifted players in last 20 years ( strenght, stamina, avoiding injuries, lean muscle mass ) and Bamba is out of breath after 5 min of PT?
Bamba doesn't even have stamina to sprint , guy jogs around like it's practice in middle of June

People simply forget what Howard was. Guy in first 6 years =492 games total, MISSED THREE GAMES.


He bearly handles 17 min. That's why.

He beats his man down the court every time, I don't see it. I don't see him out of breath either. He could easily play 30 mpg.

Let's just break down the film from last game

Watch on YouTube

2:16

has no clue what to do or where to stand

2:23
late to return on defense, allows uncotested layup

2:50
Valenchunas boxes him out WITH ONE HAND , shows zero resistance or will to go in paint


2:59
just look at this lazy a** effort, he was jogging behind Valenchunas whole time . Jonas is what ? 270 pounds, somehow runned faster and got dunk?

7:32
block chaising when it's clear it's overkill to follow Isaac who already chases same block, nobody to body up Valenchunas, another dunk

In game decided by one possession, him having +/- of -10 and him allowing 3 uncotested dunks for Valenchunas is little peace that added to final L in winable game. And he only played 14 min yet got cought jogging with no effort twice.
And this is me ignoring that he has no offense whatsoever and that he spends time standing in corner spotting up for shots he can't make.

Every player has bad possessions, Vuc has been doing it for years.


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[OrlandO]

Agreed.

Especially due to the insecurity regarding Bamba I'd say stick with Vuc for now if possible, try to acquire a starting caliber PG and then we wait and see.

Insecurity over Bamba? If anything he is everything we thought he would be- a project with tremendous potential and a body to develop. I would say he is surpassing expectations with how his offense has been and his defensive upside even without th strong fundamentals.

He has a 113 offensive rating compared to 106 defensive rating for a differential of 7, something that hasn't been done since Dwight. So I'm happy so far with Bamba.

Those are bball ref's fake ratings... the same ones that said biyombo was some offensive and defensive maestro for years. The NBA's stats have Bamba at 93.6 ORTG and 109.7 DRTG for a differential of -16.1. He has a plus/minus of -109 for a reason. I like his potential, but I'm not going to overrate what he currently is just because he can dunk and block once in a while.

[basketballRob]

Insecurity over Bamba? If anything he is everything we thought he would be- a project with tremendous potential and a body to develop. I would say he is surpassing expectations with how his offense has been and his defensive upside even without th strong fundamentals.

He has a 113 offensive rating compared to 106 defensive rating for a differential of 7, something that hasn't been done since Dwight. So I'm happy so far with Bamba.

Those are bball ref's fake ratings... the same ones that said biyombo was some offensive and defensive maestro for years. The NBA's stats have Bamba at 93.6 ORTG and 109.7 DRTG for a differential of -16.1. He has a plus/minus of -109 for a reason. I like his potential, but I'm not going to overrate what he currently is just because he can dunk and block once in a while.

He also has a nice touch on his shot, it's not like all he can do is dunk.

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[OrlandO]

He has a 113 offensive rating compared to 106 defensive rating for a differential of 7, something that hasn't been done since Dwight. So I'm happy so far with Bamba.

Those are bball ref's fake ratings... the same ones that said biyombo was some offensive and defensive maestro for years. The NBA's stats have Bamba at 93.6 ORTG and 109.7 DRTG for a differential of -16.1. He has a plus/minus of -109 for a reason. I like his potential, but I'm not going to overrate what he currently is just because he can dunk and block once in a while.

He also has a nice touch on his shot, it's not like all he can do is dunk.

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He does have nice form on his jumper, but his shot is not going in much like Hezonja. Like I said, the potential is there, but that's no reason to talk him up as if he's already arrived.

[CourtsideTV]

trade vuc and evan for draft picks

tank

we will be better than philly for the next 10 years if we do this.

bamba
isaac
gordon
top 3 pick
sign a free agent


ross simmons and sign some bench players.

[basketballRob]

Those are bball ref's fake ratings... the same ones that said biyombo was some offensive and defensive maestro for years. The NBA's stats have Bamba at 93.6 ORTG and 109.7 DRTG for a differential of -16.1. He has a plus/minus of -109 for a reason. I like his potential, but I'm not going to overrate what he currently is just because he can dunk and block once in a while.

He also has a nice touch on his shot, it's not like all he can do is dunk.

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He does have nice form on his jumper, but his shot is not going in much like Hezonja. Like I said, the potential is there, but that's no reason to talk him up as if he's already arrived.

His 3 pt percentage is a little behind Jackson's and a little ahead of Young, so I think he'll be fine.

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[woosah]

trade vuc and evan for draft picks

tank

we will be better than philly for the next 10 years if we do this.

bamba
isaac
gordon
top 3 pick
sign a free agent


ross simmons and sign some bench players.

You gonna have to send them boys to kidnap Cliff because as long as he's coaching, we ain't tanking. (Also not something that is associated with Weltman and Hammond in the past.)

[OrlandO]

He also has a nice touch on his shot, it's not like all he can do is dunk.

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He does have nice form on his jumper, but his shot is not going in much like Hezonja. Like I said, the potential is there, but that's no reason to talk him up as if he's already arrived.

His 3 pt percentage is a little behind Jackson's and a little ahead of Young, so I think he'll be fine.

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Young is actually already a good catch and shoot 3pt shooter at 41%.. his overall 3pt percentage is low because he's spending so much time developing his deep pullup game and has gotten carried away with it. Jackson and Bamba are not in his class of shooter... those two are just trying to make nba range open catch and shoots.

Jackson and Bamba being bad at the easiest 3pt shot doesn't tell me anything about either of them. We don't know if they'll start making them at a good clip by the end of the season, next season, season after, etc. All we know is they're not making them consistently right now. It's a waiting game. One would hope with his form and touch he will develop his shooting quicker than AG, but you never know until they start going in consistently on good volume.

[pepe1991]

He also has a nice touch on his shot, it's not like all he can do is dunk.

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He does have nice form on his jumper, but his shot is not going in much like Hezonja. Like I said, the potential is there, but that's no reason to talk him up as if he's already arrived.

His 3 pt percentage is a little behind Jackson's and a little ahead of Young, so I think he'll be fine.

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League average is 35,5%
They shoot below 30%
All 3 are terrible at it.

Jackson is by most stats the worst nba rotation player who gets significant min.

Trae Young's career will be famous as "that guy that was traded for Dončić"

If you want to defend is current plays, don't compare him with worst nba rotation player and guy who is on pace to miss most shots in rookie season in nba history. You do him no favor.

I like Bamba's potential , i wanted him here in first place, but he is not ready to take over,dominate and contribte on daily bases. Just few hours ago he got manhandled by Mason Plamlee

[basketballRob]

He does have nice form on his jumper, but his shot is not going in much like Hezonja. Like I said, the potential is there, but that's no reason to talk him up as if he's already arrived.

His 3 pt percentage is a little behind Jackson's and a little ahead of Young, so I think he'll be fine.

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League average is 35,5%
They shoot below 30%
All 3 are terrible at it.

Jackson is by most stats the worst nba rotation player who gets significant min.

Trae Young's career will be famous as "that guy that was traded for Dončić"

If you want to defend is current plays, don't compare him with worst nba rotation player and guy who is on pace to miss most shots in rookie season in nba history. You do him no favor.

I like Bamba's potential , i wanted him here in first place, but he is not ready to take over,dominate and contribte on daily bases. Just few hours ago he got manhandled by Mason Plamlee

Jackson would be the best player on our roster today.

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[pepe1991]

His 3 pt percentage is a little behind Jackson's and a little ahead of Young, so I think he'll be fine.

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League average is 35,5%
They shoot below 30%
All 3 are terrible at it.

Jackson is by most stats the worst nba rotation player who gets significant min.

Trae Young's career will be famous as "that guy that was traded for Dončić"

If you want to defend is current plays, don't compare him with worst nba rotation player and guy who is on pace to miss most shots in rookie season in nba history. You do him no favor.

I like Bamba's potential , i wanted him here in first place, but he is not ready to take over,dominate and contribte on daily bases. Just few hours ago he got manhandled by Mason Plamlee

Jackson would be the best player on our roster today.

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Josh Jackson???? Lol. Just lol

[basketballRob]

League average is 35,5%
They shoot below 30%
All 3 are terrible at it.

Jackson is by most stats the worst nba rotation player who gets significant min.

Trae Young's career will be famous as "that guy that was traded for Dončić"

If you want to defend is current plays, don't compare him with worst nba rotation player and guy who is on pace to miss most shots in rookie season in nba history. You do him no favor.

I like Bamba's potential , i wanted him here in first place, but he is not ready to take over,dominate and contribte on daily bases. Just few hours ago he got manhandled by Mason Plamlee

Jackson would be the best player on our roster today.

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Josh Jackson???? Lol. Just lol

Lol. Jaren Jackson is the next AD/KG and this fan base wouldn't play him over Vuc.


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[basketballRob]

He does have nice form on his jumper, but his shot is not going in much like Hezonja. Like I said, the potential is there, but that's no reason to talk him up as if he's already arrived.

His 3 pt percentage is a little behind Jackson's and a little ahead of Young, so I think he'll be fine.

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League average is 35,5%
They shoot below 30%
All 3 are terrible at it.

Jackson is by most stats the worst nba rotation player who gets significant min.

Trae Young's career will be famous as "that guy that was traded for Dončić"

If you want to defend is current plays, don't compare him with worst nba rotation player and guy who is on pace to miss most shots in rookie season in nba history. You do him no favor.

I like Bamba's potential , i wanted him here in first place, but he is not ready to take over,dominate and contribte on daily bases. Just few hours ago he got manhandled by Mason Plamlee

I think Plumlee backed him down once and it was an offensive foul that they didn't call.
We need to work on keeping players from penetrating, after the perimeter breakdown it was 2 on 1 the whole game.

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[pepe1991]

Jackson would be the best player on our roster today.

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Josh Jackson???? Lol. Just lol

Lol. Jaren Jackson is the next AD/KG and this fan base wouldn't play him over Vuc.


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Oh Jaren. But Jaren is legit good.
Had 20-7-3-3 last night.
Ofc it helps playing along side two allstar level players but still he is also youngest player from a draft.

[Raider_MXD]

Dwight started and played all 82 games at around 32mpg and averaged 12ppg and 10rpg as a rookie.. Bamba would probably do the same or similar given the playing time. I see no reason why he shouldn’t be able to handle that in the second half of the season.

If you look at a picture of rookie Dwight and compare it to Bamba you should easily be able to spot why that's not the case. Bamba probably will be starting material once he fills out his frame and develops some defensive instincts, but currently being a reserve is the right role for him.