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Dunce Cap of Defeat #4 Magic 106 76ers 114

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Dunce Cap #4

Nikola Vucevic (12 points, 5-15, 9 rebounds, -4)
22
67%
Evan Fournier (25 points, 9-21, 2 TO, -7)
4
12%
DJ Augustin (11 points, 5-8, 5 assists, -11)
1
3%
Isaiah Briscoe (7 points, 3-7, 4 assists, + 4)
0
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Wes Iwundu (0 points, 0-5, 3 assists, +1)
6
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Re: Dunce Cap of Defeat #4 Magic 106 76ers 114 

Post#21 » by Mule Tears » Wed Mar 6, 2019 11:04 pm

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Gomagic44 wrote:I vote Gordon


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No offense but you are either dumb or trolling if you think Gordon was the problem tonight.


He probably meant that Gordon is a problem in general.... (because he is)
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Re: Dunce Cap of Defeat #4 Magic 106 76ers 114 

Post#22 » by Gomagic44 » Thu Mar 7, 2019 1:42 am

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Gomagic44 wrote:I vote Gordon


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No offense but you are either dumb or trolling if you think Gordon was the problem tonight.


He probably meant that Gordon is a problem in general.... (because he is)

I meant that I held Gordon the most accountable for our loss. Highest paid, not exceptional point wise, back to back to back errors in the 4th quarter. He’s passive. He didn’t fight for rebounds. His man often drove rather freely. Every game closer to making the playoffs,the zenith of his career so far, becomes more worthy of judgement. This is his moment to shine. This happened to be the game I watched and I suppose his salary and expectations had me pumped to see him do great things. And he didn’t.

Vuc made the Allstar game. Is expiring. We just resigned Gordon. I take a lot into account.

I am not offended by him calling me stupid.

I expected when we drafted gordon for him to turn into a something? What is he?

We could have had this game and we need it!

And he didn’t impress me at all and let me down more than anyone else I saw.

If we win I would have elected Isaac, and I have bashed him before here. He did very well.


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Re: Dunce Cap of Defeat #4 Magic 106 76ers 114 

Post#23 » by BadHombre » Thu Mar 7, 2019 2:52 am

Gomagic44 wrote:
Mule Tears wrote:
OrlandoNed wrote:No offense but you are either dumb or trolling if you think Gordon was the problem tonight.


He probably meant that Gordon is a problem in general.... (because he is)

I meant that I held Gordon the most accountable for our loss. Highest paid, not exceptional point wise, back to back to back errors in the 4th quarter. He’s passive. He didn’t fight for rebounds. His man often drove rather freely. Every game closer to making the playoffs,the zenith of his career so far, becomes more worthy of judgement. This is his moment to shine. This happened to be the game I watched and I suppose his salary and expectations had me pumped to see him do great things. And he didn’t.

Vuc made the Allstar game. Is expiring. We just resigned Gordon. I take a lot into account.

I am not offended by him calling me stupid.

I expected when we drafted gordon for him to turn into a something? What is he?

We could have had this game and we need it!

And he didn’t impress me at all and let me down more than anyone else I saw.

If we win I would have elected Isaac, and I have bashed him before here. He did very well.


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He’s the highest paid because he signed the most recent contract, in an era where contracts have increased dramatically in the time since even Fournier signed. Vuc is about to get his next contract and he will undoubtedly be the highest paid player from this current roster. Basing expected impact on salary is asinine. It should be based on their role and usage.
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Re: Dunce Cap of Defeat #4 Magic 106 76ers 114 

Post#24 » by CZ Eddie » Thu Mar 7, 2019 3:36 am

Bulls just beat the 6'ers by one point thanks to Zack Lavine.
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Dunce Cap of Defeat #4 Magic 106 76ers 114 

Post#25 » by Gomagic44 » Thu Mar 7, 2019 4:34 am

BadHombre wrote:
Gomagic44 wrote:
Mule Tears wrote:
He probably meant that Gordon is a problem in general.... (because he is)

I meant that I held Gordon the most accountable for our loss. Highest paid, not exceptional point wise, back to back to back errors in the 4th quarter. He’s passive. He didn’t fight for rebounds. His man often drove rather freely. Every game closer to making the playoffs,the zenith of his career so far, becomes more worthy of judgement. This is his moment to shine. This happened to be the game I watched and I suppose his salary and expectations had me pumped to see him do great things. And he didn’t.

Vuc made the Allstar game. Is expiring. We just resigned Gordon. I take a lot into account.

I am not offended by him calling me stupid.

I expected when we drafted gordon for him to turn into a something? What is he?

We could have had this game and we need it!

And he didn’t impress me at all and let me down more than anyone else I saw.

If we win I would have elected Isaac, and I have bashed him before here. He did very well.


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He’s the highest paid because he signed the most recent contract, in an era where contracts have increased dramatically in the time since even Fournier signed. Vuc is about to get his next contract and he will undoubtedly be the highest paid player from this current roster. Basing expected impact on salary is asinine. It should be based on their role and usage.


As constructed, AG is not a primary option, not an ideal second option, likely a great third option. We drafted him and paid him to continue to advance his game and help us become a better team. While improved, it does not seem like enough for his salary. He’s a third option.

The salary cap for next year is 118 million.

He is making 20. If he is a third option, then the next would get more, I assume.

22? Say what someone proposed for Vuc (4/88) if he would take that.

That is about 1/3 of the cap. We have Mosgov at 17. We want to resign Ross? Who is going to sign with the remaining money we have?

It’s not asinine to expect more from him when we are fighting for the playoffs for the first time in his career. It’s not asinine to look at our cap and look at his effort and production last night and go “meh”.

His role is not a primary or secondary scorer or ball handler. He is not a master of anything. He gets paid to be a 2nd option. He was not in this game.

Edit: for the context of this thread, he was not a second option in last nights game in particular.



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Re: Dunce Cap of Defeat #4 Magic 106 76ers 114 

Post#26 » by BadHombre » Thu Mar 7, 2019 4:59 am

Gomagic44 wrote:
BadHombre wrote:
Gomagic44 wrote:I meant that I held Gordon the most accountable for our loss. Highest paid, not exceptional point wise, back to back to back errors in the 4th quarter. He’s passive. He didn’t fight for rebounds. His man often drove rather freely. Every game closer to making the playoffs,the zenith of his career so far, becomes more worthy of judgement. This is his moment to shine. This happened to be the game I watched and I suppose his salary and expectations had me pumped to see him do great things. And he didn’t.

Vuc made the Allstar game. Is expiring. We just resigned Gordon. I take a lot into account.

I am not offended by him calling me stupid.

I expected when we drafted gordon for him to turn into a something? What is he?

We could have had this game and we need it!

And he didn’t impress me at all and let me down more than anyone else I saw.

If we win I would have elected Isaac, and I have bashed him before here. He did very well.


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He’s the highest paid because he signed the most recent contract, in an era where contracts have increased dramatically in the time since even Fournier signed. Vuc is about to get his next contract and he will undoubtedly be the highest paid player from this current roster. Basing expected impact on salary is asinine. It should be based on their role and usage.


As constructed, AG is not a primary option, not an ideal second option, likely a great third option. We drafted him and paid him to continue to advance his game and help us become a better team. While improved, it does not seem like enough for his salary. He’s a third option.

The salary cap for next year is 118 million.

He is making 20. If he is a third option, then the next would get more, I assume.

22? Say what someone proposed for Vuc (4/88) if he would take that.

That is about 1/3 of the cap. We have Mosgov at 17. We want to resign Ross? Who is going to sign with the remaining money we have?

It’s not asinine to expect more from him when we are fighting for the playoffs for the first time in his career. It’s not asinine to look at our cap and look at his effort and production last night and go “meh”.

His role is not a primary or secondary scorer or ball handler. He is not a master of anything. He gets paid to be a 2nd option. He was not in this game.

Edit: for the context of this thread, he was not a second option in last nights game in particular.



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I’m really puzzled by what you’re saying. In the first half he was the only player capable of scoring and keeping us in the game. By the end of the game he was 2nd in FGAs, and our 2nd highest scorer. You’re right that he wasn’t treated as a go to guy in the 4th because we just kept trying to feed it into Vuc, but equally, if he had tried to take over it likely would have resulted in him forcing up shots. I don’t want to promote the attitude of people feeling entitled to blame guys for losses, but I just don’t see how you can feel disappointed in him most of all, given that you only consider him to be a third option at best, and he was arguably the best player on the floor for us last night. Seems to me he outplayed the role and expectations you have for him?

As a third option he’s perfectly paid. $20M this season and declining. Legitimate top 2 options, on teams that have them, are paid significantly more. So it’s not his fault we’ve secured him before we’ve secured those guys.
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Re: Dunce Cap of Defeat #4 Magic 106 76ers 114 

Post#27 » by Gomagic44 » Thu Mar 7, 2019 5:30 am

BadHombre wrote:
Gomagic44 wrote:
BadHombre wrote:
He’s the highest paid because he signed the most recent contract, in an era where contracts have increased dramatically in the time since even Fournier signed. Vuc is about to get his next contract and he will undoubtedly be the highest paid player from this current roster. Basing expected impact on salary is asinine. It should be based on their role and usage.


As constructed, AG is not a primary option, not an ideal second option, likely a great third option. We drafted him and paid him to continue to advance his game and help us become a better team. While improved, it does not seem like enough for his salary. He’s a third option.

The salary cap for next year is 118 million.

He is making 20. If he is a third option, then the next would get more, I assume.

22? Say what someone proposed for Vuc (4/88) if he would take that.

That is about 1/3 of the cap. We have Mosgov at 17. We want to resign Ross? Who is going to sign with the remaining money we have?

It’s not asinine to expect more from him when we are fighting for the playoffs for the first time in his career. It’s not asinine to look at our cap and look at his effort and production last night and go “meh”.

His role is not a primary or secondary scorer or ball handler. He is not a master of anything. He gets paid to be a 2nd option. He was not in this game.

Edit: for the context of this thread, he was not a second option in last nights game in particular.



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I’m really puzzled by what you’re saying. In the first half he was the only player capable of scoring and keeping us in the game. By the end of the game he was 2nd in FGAs, and our 2nd highest scorer. You’re right that he wasn’t treated as a go to guy in the 4th because we just kept trying to feed it into Vuc, but equally, if he had tried to take over it likely would have resulted in him forcing up shots. I don’t want to promote the attitude of people feeling entitled to blame guys for losses, but I just don’t see how you can feel disappointed in him most of all, given that you only consider him to be a third option at best, and he was arguably the best player on the floor for us last night. Seems to me he outplayed the role and expectations you have for him?

As a third option he’s perfectly paid. $20M this season and declining. Legitimate top 2 options, on teams that have them, are paid significantly more. So it’s not his fault we’ve secured him before we’ve secured those guys.


I only stated eye test when I watched last night. I did not look at stats. He seems to have always been above average at put backs, and he got some of those in the first half.

We agree about him in the fourth. He fed it to Vuc because Vuc is a better player this season and Vuc couldn’t pull us through this time. Vuc is not a number one but we are expecting him to be.

I disagree with you that he is paid for his performance as a third option. I do not see the cap jumping again soon. In the context of our team trying to make the playoffs, this game mattering more than any other in his career through, he looked mediocre in the 4th. He’s paid to be the second option and he is a poor second option. I would have rather seen Isaac shooting in the 4th.

I may have lost you in trying to explain my reasoning. Apologies.

I avoided watching a lot this season because I get pretty into it. I’m tired of losing. I’ve watched these guys for a long time and AG was supposed to be the next big thing for us after Dipo, and I didn’t see it in this game. And this game mattered more to me than this seasons stats.


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Re: Dunce Cap of Defeat #4 Magic 106 76ers 114 

Post#28 » by BadHombre » Thu Mar 7, 2019 5:48 am

Gomagic44 wrote:
BadHombre wrote:
Gomagic44 wrote:
As constructed, AG is not a primary option, not an ideal second option, likely a great third option. We drafted him and paid him to continue to advance his game and help us become a better team. While improved, it does not seem like enough for his salary. He’s a third option.

The salary cap for next year is 118 million.

He is making 20. If he is a third option, then the next would get more, I assume.

22? Say what someone proposed for Vuc (4/88) if he would take that.

That is about 1/3 of the cap. We have Mosgov at 17. We want to resign Ross? Who is going to sign with the remaining money we have?

It’s not asinine to expect more from him when we are fighting for the playoffs for the first time in his career. It’s not asinine to look at our cap and look at his effort and production last night and go “meh”.

His role is not a primary or secondary scorer or ball handler. He is not a master of anything. He gets paid to be a 2nd option. He was not in this game.

Edit: for the context of this thread, he was not a second option in last nights game in particular.



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I’m really puzzled by what you’re saying. In the first half he was the only player capable of scoring and keeping us in the game. By the end of the game he was 2nd in FGAs, and our 2nd highest scorer. You’re right that he wasn’t treated as a go to guy in the 4th because we just kept trying to feed it into Vuc, but equally, if he had tried to take over it likely would have resulted in him forcing up shots. I don’t want to promote the attitude of people feeling entitled to blame guys for losses, but I just don’t see how you can feel disappointed in him most of all, given that you only consider him to be a third option at best, and he was arguably the best player on the floor for us last night. Seems to me he outplayed the role and expectations you have for him?

As a third option he’s perfectly paid. $20M this season and declining. Legitimate top 2 options, on teams that have them, are paid significantly more. So it’s not his fault we’ve secured him before we’ve secured those guys.


I only stated eye test when I watched last night. I did not look at stats. He seems to have always been above average at put backs, and he got some of those in the first half.

We agree about him in the fourth. He fed it to Vuc because Vuc is a better player this season and Vuc couldn’t pull us through this time. Vuc is not a number one but we are expecting him to be.

I disagree with you that he is paid for his performance as a third option. I do not see the cap jumping again soon. In the context of our team trying to make the playoffs, this game mattering more than any other in his career through, he looked mediocre in the 4th. He’s paid to be the second option and he is a poor second option. I would have rather seen Isaac shooting in the 4th.

I may have lost you in trying to explain my reasoning. Apologies.

I avoided watching a lot this season because I get pretty into it. I’m tired of losing. I’ve watched these guys for a long time and AG was supposed to be the next big thing for us after Dipo, and I didn’t see it in this game. And this game mattered more to me than this seasons stats.


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I’m pretty sure the cap is expected to jump $10M this offseason and another $10M the following, or one after that. The cap is definitely rising.

But I think you should adjust your expectations for AG. There was hope he could reach greater heights, but his game isn’t nuanced enough for that. That doesn’t make him a failure, or his contributions lesser, it just means he’s not a superstar.

I think your eye test was a bit clouded last night, because AG was far from being a problem. But we could keep going round and round on this so if that’s you’re opinion then cool.
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Post#29 » by Gomagic44 » Thu Mar 7, 2019 6:15 am

BadHombre wrote:
Gomagic44 wrote:
BadHombre wrote:
I’m really puzzled by what you’re saying. In the first half he was the only player capable of scoring and keeping us in the game. By the end of the game he was 2nd in FGAs, and our 2nd highest scorer. You’re right that he wasn’t treated as a go to guy in the 4th because we just kept trying to feed it into Vuc, but equally, if he had tried to take over it likely would have resulted in him forcing up shots. I don’t want to promote the attitude of people feeling entitled to blame guys for losses, but I just don’t see how you can feel disappointed in him most of all, given that you only consider him to be a third option at best, and he was arguably the best player on the floor for us last night. Seems to me he outplayed the role and expectations you have for him?

As a third option he’s perfectly paid. $20M this season and declining. Legitimate top 2 options, on teams that have them, are paid significantly more. So it’s not his fault we’ve secured him before we’ve secured those guys.


I only stated eye test when I watched last night. I did not look at stats. He seems to have always been above average at put backs, and he got some of those in the first half.

We agree about him in the fourth. He fed it to Vuc because Vuc is a better player this season and Vuc couldn’t pull us through this time. Vuc is not a number one but we are expecting him to be.

I disagree with you that he is paid for his performance as a third option. I do not see the cap jumping again soon. In the context of our team trying to make the playoffs, this game mattering more than any other in his career through, he looked mediocre in the 4th. He’s paid to be the second option and he is a poor second option. I would have rather seen Isaac shooting in the 4th.

I may have lost you in trying to explain my reasoning. Apologies.

I avoided watching a lot this season because I get pretty into it. I’m tired of losing. I’ve watched these guys for a long time and AG was supposed to be the next big thing for us after Dipo, and I didn’t see it in this game. And this game mattered more to me than this seasons stats.


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I’m pretty sure the cap is expected to jump $10M this offseason and another $10M the following, or one after that. The cap is definitely rising.

But I think you should adjust your expectations for AG. There was hope he could reach greater heights, but his game isn’t nuanced enough for that. That doesn’t make him a failure, or his contributions lesser, it just means he’s not a superstar.

I think your eye test was a bit clouded last night, because AG was far from being a problem. But we could keep going round and round on this so if that’s you’re opinion then cool.


Fair enough. I have always watched Gordon with an expectation he is going to be better than he is. I expected him to be a star, not a superstar. Thanks for the reasonable discussion.


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Post#30 » by Furinkazan » Thu Mar 14, 2019 8:31 pm

why no dunce cap past few games?
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Post#31 » by Mule Tears » Fri Mar 15, 2019 3:26 pm

Furinkazan wrote:why no dunce cap past few games?


We won da last game breh. It's only for losses.
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Post#32 » by Furinkazan » Fri Mar 15, 2019 9:40 pm

Mule Tears wrote:
Furinkazan wrote:why no dunce cap past few games?


We won da last game breh. It's only for losses.

I wrote this after Wizards game.
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Post#33 » by drsd » Sat Mar 16, 2019 3:04 pm

Dunce Cap #4


The Magic is 38 losses in to a season. If we are going to have a Dunce cap, please reflect on that. My meaning: for the next thread, please call it "Dunce Cap #39."

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