Official Speculation Thread ‘18-'19 XXII: Welcome Markelle Fultz

[dsg2021]

if we resign vuc and or ross, i suspect we will attempt to improve our team ala the denver nuggets or the brooklyn nets.

As we are now we do not have the superstar that can push us past the first round, and we are not that great of destination hotspot to attract one here via free agency with he cap money we have now.

We will either have to grow our own superstar with our current young players, grow one from the mid to late first or second rounds, or somehow get former (broken) lottery picks ie fultz, deangelo russel IMO

I tried to identify and classify different rebuilding/team-building strategies a couple months ago. Your post said some things along the lines of mine! Check it out if you like, see if it makes any sense, if you see ORL as one of them:

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[Skin]

https://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/253376/Study-Concludes-Giannis-Antetokounmpo-Is-Most-Underpaid-Player-In-NBA

Vuc is one of the top 5 underpaid players in the league according to this. It's a win shares v salary study.

Yeah. It's kind of lost in all of the extension talk, but Vucevic is a huge bargain under his present contract terms.

People are banking on the idea that we will get some kind of hometown discount this summer, but I don't expect that to be the case. Vucevic was pretty vocal about his dissatisfaction in the wake of the Biyombo signing, which I can appreciate. It's one thing to take a discount because you are happy with where you are, but it's another thing to see your own front office use those savings to grossly overpay someone that is competing with you for playing time.

I suspect Vucevic is more cynical than he was the last time around and I expect that he will try to maximize his earnings on his next contract.

Don't think it's that simple. You're talking about the incompetent actions of the past front office and coach.... they're gone. Biyombo was also dumped. Vuc LOVES the situation he's in right now. The man might overdose from all the highs he's experiencing this season. He also likes his off-court life in Orlando... it's not so easy to leave behind his home, business, best friend. His shy wife might not want to uproot the life and friends she's made here either, especially after having a kid. There are a lot of factors that will go into his decision, but I would not be surprised if the guy who fournier just said "wants to be here the longest" gave some kind of discount... there is a path for that to happen. Really depends on the outside offers and Weltman's negotiating.

You're really selling yourself hard on this idea that Vuc will resign for a "fair" deal, aren't you?

The thing is, you're probably right... that he would accept less than what other teams may offer him....

But the thing with the Magic is that they will probably overpay him and outbid the competition before we even know what the competition's offer is. $28-30 is my guess.

[thelead]

I just don’t see teams giving a non-superstar center close to 30 per. That’s just crazy in today’s NBA. If that’s what it’s going to take, let’s just prepare for the lotto next year...

[MoMM]

Well, today's NBA offers 170M/4years for a non-superstar PG (John Wall), so everything can happen.

[NotACat]

I just don’t see teams giving a non-superstar center close to 30 per. That’s just crazy in today’s NBA. If that’s what it’s going to take, let’s just prepare for the lotto next year...

There's a chance we won't even be in the lotto. If Isaac and AG continue to improve their games, we could bring in someone like DeAndre Jordan or Dedmon as a stop gap and still make the playoffs. He would allow us to play at a faster pace which would be to the benefit of most of the roster and our defense shouldn't be too bad either.

Fultz is a huge factor in next season as well.

Edit: I'm looking at UFAs and we could also consider the Lopez brothers, WCS, and Kanter.

[MoMM]

I just don’t see teams giving a non-superstar center close to 30 per. That’s just crazy in today’s NBA. If that’s what it’s going to take, let’s just prepare for the lotto next year...

There's a chance we won't even be in the lotto. If Isaac and AG continue to improve their games, we could bring in someone like DeAndre Jordan or Dedmon as a stop gap and still make the playoffs. He would allow us to play at a faster pace which would be to the benefit of most of the roster and our defense shouldn't be too bad either.

Fultz is a huge factor in next season as well.

Edit: I'm looking at UFAs and we could also consider the Lopez brothers, WCS, and Kanter.

If we don't bring Vuc back we will need another scorer for sure, Jordan/Dedmon won't get the job done in that end. We could play faster with Isaac/AG, but it won't work for a full game, IMO. Also, I see Jordan re-signing with NY if they sign KD or Irving, they didn't buy him out for a reason.

Kanter could be a good plan B as his skills are similar to Vuc's and Steve could teach him some D.

[thelead]

I just don’t see teams giving a non-superstar center close to 30 per. That’s just crazy in today’s NBA. If that’s what it’s going to take, let’s just prepare for the lotto next year...

There's a chance we won't even be in the lotto. If Isaac and AG continue to improve their games, we could bring in someone like DeAndre Jordan or Dedmon as a stop gap and still make the playoffs. He would allow us to play at a faster pace which would be to the benefit of most of the roster and our defense shouldn't be too bad either.

Fultz is a huge factor in next season as well.

Edit: I'm looking at UFAs and we could also consider the Lopez brothers, WCS, and Kanter.

I agree with you but I’m going to keep my expectations really low on Fultz... which is hard because I was a huge fan of his coming out of college.

[Bensational]

I just don’t see teams giving a non-superstar center close to 30 per. That’s just crazy in today’s NBA. If that’s what it’s going to take, let’s just prepare for the lotto next year...

There's a chance we won't even be in the lotto. If Isaac and AG continue to improve their games, we could bring in someone like DeAndre Jordan or Dedmon as a stop gap and still make the playoffs. He would allow us to play at a faster pace which would be to the benefit of most of the roster and our defense shouldn't be too bad either.

Fultz is a huge factor in next season as well.

Edit: I'm looking at UFAs and we could also consider the Lopez brothers, WCS, and Kanter.

I agree with you but I’m going to keep my expectations really low on Fultz... which is hard because I was a huge fan of his coming out of college.

If Fultz can do everything we hope he can, I wonder how much more opportunity that creates for the other players?

[zaymon]

There's a chance we won't even be in the lotto. If Isaac and AG continue to improve their games, we could bring in someone like DeAndre Jordan or Dedmon as a stop gap and still make the playoffs. He would allow us to play at a faster pace which would be to the benefit of most of the roster and our defense shouldn't be too bad either.

Fultz is a huge factor in next season as well.

Edit: I'm looking at UFAs and we could also consider the Lopez brothers, WCS, and Kanter.

I agree with you but I’m going to keep my expectations really low on Fultz... which is hard because I was a huge fan of his coming out of college.

If Fultz can do everything we hope he can, I wonder how much more opportunity that creates for the other players?

I think our first game vs Raptors or game vs Atlanta were Dj went off is a good example. Dont even mention his potential on defense

[drsd]

If Fultz can do everything we hope he can, I wonder how much more opportunity that creates for the other players?

Fultz' pick and roll game is perfect for Gordon and Vučević, which frees up the long ball for Fournier and Isaac.

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[dsg2021]

I could imagine a scenario that even if Fultz makes a big comeback, he will have to play about 60 games a year to keep the TOS from flaring up. It could also be an issue if he plays too many consecutive games above 32 mpg.
If he played like 60 games per, no problem imo, but hopefully he wouldn’t need much minutes restrictions in the spaced out playoffs schedule.

[pepe1991]

We just don't know what are we getting in Fultz.

Can he shoot? Can he lift arm? Did he healed? Did he start working out?
We are now entering half of a year since he was pulled from basketball court and he still doesn't participate in workouts with rest of a team.

it's just complete mistery.

WeHam are refusing to officially to shut him down for rest of a season to avoid negativity from media. Nobody expects him ( or Bamba) to play this season again.

[VFX]

I just don’t see teams giving a non-superstar center close to 30 per. That’s just crazy in today’s NBA. If that’s what it’s going to take, let’s just prepare for the lotto next year...

There was an entire segment done on the latest “Game Theory” podcast about how Centers have become basically irrelevant in post season play. Which is true. All of the teams that win in the post season have talent stacked 1-3 and their bigs are dynamic enough to not have to play drop back defensively.

If Orlando gives Vuc anything north of 25+ It’ll be relegating ourselves to the treadmill and no success in the playoffs.

[thelead]

Well, today's NBA offers 170M/4years for a non-superstar PG (John Wall), so everything can happen.

And how well is that working out for Washington? Even before the injury they looked like trash and it doesn’t look like there’s anyway out of it with Wall’s contract.

[tiderulz]

Well, today's NBA offers 170M/4years for a non-superstar PG (John Wall), so everything can happen.

And how well is that working out for Washington? Even before the injury they looked like trash and it doesn’t look like there’s anyway out of it with Wall’s contract.

Wall isnt trash, but definitely not worth the contract Washington gave him

[Viper1500]

Vuc should get no more than 4/88.

[MasterGMer]

Or give Vuc 2 year 60M contract. Make it short term to go with Bamba growth


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[thelead]

Well, today's NBA offers 170M/4years for a non-superstar PG (John Wall), so everything can happen.

And how well is that working out for Washington? Even before the injury they looked like trash and it doesn’t look like there’s anyway out of it with Wall’s contract.

Wall isnt trash, but definitely not worth the contract Washington gave him

“They” looked like trash... as in Washington as a team. Not specifically Wall.

[SOUL]

Someone make a new spec thread please.