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Playoffs G3: Toronto Raptors (2) @ Orlando Magic (7) - A Reptile Dysfunction

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Re: Playoffs G3: Toronto Raptors (2) @ Orlando Magic (7) - A Reptile Dysfunction 

Post#981 » by Detective » Sun Apr 21, 2019 1:36 am

Also, how does the Magic develop it's players? One glaring thing I have noticed is that you have an extremely limited set of primary ballhandlers. When Augustin or Fournier get trapped, no one else can really steer the ship.
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Re: Playoffs G3: Toronto Raptors (2) @ Orlando Magic (7) - A Reptile Dysfunction 

Post#982 » by ChosenSavior » Sun Apr 21, 2019 2:02 am

Detective wrote:Also, how does the Magic develop its players? One glaring thing I have noticed is that you have an extremely limited set of primary ballhandlers. When Augustin or Fournier get trapped, no one else can really steer the ship.


That is more of a personnel issue than a development issue which we'll have to resolve moving forward.
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Re: Playoffs G3: Toronto Raptors (2) @ Orlando Magic (7) - A Reptile Dysfunction 

Post#983 » by pepe1991 » Sun Apr 21, 2019 2:05 am

Detective wrote:Also, how does the Magic develop it's players? One glaring thing I have noticed is that you have an extremely limited set of primary ballhandlers. When Augustin or Fournier get trapped, no one else can really steer the ship.


Magic for years refuse to draft basketball players and keep drafting athletes and longboys that have zero offensive skills. So developmental has to spend whole lenght of their rookie scale contracts to teach them something they should have learned in highschool.

If team somehow lands star, it's almost always center and when we teach him how to play, he goes to LA...
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Post#984 » by Detective » Sun Apr 21, 2019 2:12 am

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Detective wrote:Also, how does the Magic develop its players? One glaring thing I have noticed is that you have an extremely limited set of primary ballhandlers. When Augustin or Fournier get trapped, no one else can really steer the ship.


That is more of a personnel issue than a development issue which we'll have to resolve moving forward.


I respectfully disagree somewhat, as it depends on your team development mentality. As a small example from the Raps, do you think someone like Pascal or Norm handle the ball essentially the same way they did prior to their development here? It's something we work on as part of our system.

Given you have Weltman, I feel this will come soon, as it's just your first season under Clifford, and there will be Masai-esque evaluations on the program going forward after this season.
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Re: Playoffs G3: Toronto Raptors (2) @ Orlando Magic (7) - A Reptile Dysfunction 

Post#985 » by woosah » Sun Apr 21, 2019 2:19 am

pepe1991 wrote:
Detective wrote:Also, how does the Magic develop it's players? One glaring thing I have noticed is that you have an extremely limited set of primary ballhandlers. When Augustin or Fournier get trapped, no one else can really steer the ship.


Magic for years refuse to draft basketball players and keep drafting athletes and longboys that have zero offensive skills. So developmental has to spend whole lenght of their rookie scale contracts to teach them something they should have learned in highschool.

If team somehow lands star, it's almost always center and when we teach him how to play, he goes to LA...

ugh goodness--

hmm recent history...Vic, Oquinn, Elf, AG, Marble, Mario, Osby, Isaac, Mo, Iwundu

the only ones who could handle were Elf, Vic and maybe Mario...all gone lol

We brought in AAA, B Gordon, Meeks, 4QWillie (ha), Jennings, Mack, DJ, ole dude from the heat (cant remember the name) so i guess we don't develop that, we try and find it on the cheap if we can in recent history.
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Re: Playoffs G3: Toronto Raptors (2) @ Orlando Magic (7) - A Reptile Dysfunction 

Post#986 » by pepe1991 » Sun Apr 21, 2019 2:26 am

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pepe1991 wrote:
Detective wrote:Also, how does the Magic develop it's players? One glaring thing I have noticed is that you have an extremely limited set of primary ballhandlers. When Augustin or Fournier get trapped, no one else can really steer the ship.


Magic for years refuse to draft basketball players and keep drafting athletes and longboys that have zero offensive skills. So developmental has to spend whole lenght of their rookie scale contracts to teach them something they should have learned in highschool.

If team somehow lands star, it's almost always center and when we teach him how to play, he goes to LA...

ugh goodness--

hmm recent history...Vic, Oquinn, Elf, AG, Marble, Mario, Osby, Isaac, Mo, Iwundu

the only ones who could handle were Elf, Vic and maybe Mario...all gone lol

We brought in AAA, B Gordon, Meeks, 4QWillie (ha), Jennings, Mack, DJ, ole dude from the heat (cant remember the name) so i guess we don't develop that, we try and find it on the cheap if we can in recent history.



Both Dipo and Evan were drafted as more of a defenders, than offensive players.
Mario is only Magic attemp after JJ Redick to land offensive player i can remember :dontknow:
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Re: Playoffs G3: Toronto Raptors (2) @ Orlando Magic (7) - A Reptile Dysfunction 

Post#987 » by woosah » Sun Apr 21, 2019 2:29 am

pepe1991 wrote:
woosah wrote:
pepe1991 wrote:
Magic for years refuse to draft basketball players and keep drafting athletes and longboys that have zero offensive skills. So developmental has to spend whole lenght of their rookie scale contracts to teach them something they should have learned in highschool.

If team somehow lands star, it's almost always center and when we teach him how to play, he goes to LA...

ugh goodness--

hmm recent history...Vic, Oquinn, Elf, AG, Marble, Mario, Osby, Isaac, Mo, Iwundu

the only ones who could handle were Elf, Vic and maybe Mario...all gone lol

We brought in AAA, B Gordon, Meeks, 4QWillie (ha), Jennings, Mack, DJ, ole dude from the heat (cant remember the name) so i guess we don't develop that, we try and find it on the cheap if we can in recent history.



Both Dipo and Evan were drafted as more of a defenders, than offensive players.
Mario is only Magic attemp after JJ Redick to land offensive player i can remember :dontknow:

yeah but we traded for Evan (AAA)

I forgot cold cuts in the draft section, but he still is a big...no handles. I just mainly was going from memory to say that we seem to trade for that need and not develop it. Vic was the only one that we saw them put effort into making the handles better with that experiment of him playing pg. We love ourselves some longbois lol.
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