Xatticus wrote: pepe1991 wrote:
PrimeThyme wrote:Pepe is going to die on the Isaac isn’t any good hill. Just like he is still dying on the “AG will forever be a limited offensive player” hill that dates back all the way to 2016. I mean he said the other day that Isaac will be a borderline rotational player in this league and isn’t a starter.
Despite all we have seen from him, at 22 in basically his sophomore year he is already convinced of that. It’s a lost cause
Wait, Gordon isn't limited offensive player ?
OBPM negative, well below average TS% for position, still below average 3 point shot, among PFs 23rd in ORPM , right there with Marvin Wiliams and Kaminsky .
Guy puts up points because he shoots 13 times a game, also, by eFG, below league average.
So in Gordon's case, half of decade and counting, i was right. ON Payton - i was right, on Trae inability to shoot with any efficiency ( so far ) - i was right. On Lonzo inabilty to shoot from college- i was right. I also wanted no part of Cam Reddish so let's see how that plays out.
On flip side i was first on Dončić hype train in times this place used Hezonja and JJ Redick comparisons
Recently i jumped on Lavine bandwagon, i belive that guy will be breakout star this year . Does too many things well not to, has terrible BBIQ but that could be fixed with Satoransky, Porter and Lauri next to him, making decision making bit easier.
I suppose it depends on your definition of limited, but I think Gordon has far exceeded whatever the intent was in 2016. I mean, if we are to parse the language on a literal level, everyone is limited offensively.
And I would highly recommend that you use RPM when it is available. BPM utilizes box scores to offer a rudimentary approximation of RPM. Because we don't have historical data for RPM, BPM allows us to compare players of different eras, but keep in mind that it isn't actually the same thing.
His RPM last year was 0,87 , that's 24th among PFs , behind Noel ,ahead of Noah Vonleh.
Compared to SFs ,he would be ranked 20#, below Daniel House Jr, ahead of Royce O'neal and Moe Harkless.
On greater scale, using all players that made a list, he was just outside top 100 players, 106#, with Khem Birch, Cory Joseph, bit worst than Marjanovic, and again, Noel.
Is he really worst than 100 players here? Probably not ,but also there are guys below him like Hield, Booker,Eric Gordon, Bogdanovic,Montrezl Harrell, Derozan who you can make strong argument are better contributors to their taems than Gordon is to his.
Problem with evaluation of Gordon is that he never played with great guard, but in same time he never played on a team where his role would be limited by coach. On Orlando he is easly second best player ,where team's first option shouldn't really be first option. And team's third option, Ross, on most playoff teams would not be option at all because lot of coaches would not touch player that takes shots like prime JR Smith in close games.