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Re: Preseason Game 3: Orlando Magic (2-0) at Atlanta Hawks (0-1) 

Post#241 » by swarlesbarkley » Fri Oct 11, 2019 3:41 pm

pepe1991 wrote:
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pepe1991 wrote:Just go through all this and tell me they cared about his shooting. I dare you.


I think it's funny that you had to pull screenshots from highlight clips to make your point here. If it were obvious, just a simple highlight video would've worked.

I watched the video you grabbed the first two screenshots from. The first image was great ball movement that got Gordon free as the last person in a chain of 2-3 passes. The second image was Kawhi (who was guarding Gordon) getting caught on a Vuc screen and Gordon taking advantage. Maybe lazy defense here but basically the same play as the DJ game winner.

Also in the video - Gordon making a tough shots near the rim with Kawhi guarding, Kawhi running Gordon off the 3 and Gordon driving and finding Iwundu, Gordon making a stepback 2 with Danny Green closely guarding him two times, in fact, the only play where they weren't "guarding" Gordon was in the first image, which, again, was more a result of great ball movement - not their philosophy to leave him wide open.


you can watch any highlight video from youtube from that games to figure it on your own .
Out of 20 threes he took, 17 were not contested.
So, yea, ... they simply didn't guard him that much.


Where do you get that info from? I'd be interested to see how many shots by our other guys were uncontested. Because when I watched the highlights, sure seemed like they had Kawhi or Danny Green guarding Gordon pretty closely and that his uncontested 3s came from good ball movement.
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Re: Preseason Game 3: Orlando Magic (2-0) at Atlanta Hawks (0-1) 

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Re: Preseason Game 3: Orlando Magic (2-0) at Atlanta Hawks (0-1) 

Post#243 » by pepe1991 » Fri Oct 11, 2019 4:35 pm

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I think it's funny that you had to pull screenshots from highlight clips to make your point here. If it were obvious, just a simple highlight video would've worked.

I watched the video you grabbed the first two screenshots from. The first image was great ball movement that got Gordon free as the last person in a chain of 2-3 passes. The second image was Kawhi (who was guarding Gordon) getting caught on a Vuc screen and Gordon taking advantage. Maybe lazy defense here but basically the same play as the DJ game winner.

Also in the video - Gordon making a tough shots near the rim with Kawhi guarding, Kawhi running Gordon off the 3 and Gordon driving and finding Iwundu, Gordon making a stepback 2 with Danny Green closely guarding him two times, in fact, the only play where they weren't "guarding" Gordon was in the first image, which, again, was more a result of great ball movement - not their philosophy to leave him wide open.


you can watch any highlight video from youtube from that games to figure it on your own .
Out of 20 threes he took, 17 were not contested.
So, yea, ... they simply didn't guard him that much.


Where do you get that info from? I'd be interested to see how many shots by our other guys were uncontested. Because when I watched the highlights, sure seemed like they had Kawhi or Danny Green guarding Gordon pretty closely and that his uncontested 3s came from good ball movement.


https://stats.nba.com/players/shots-closest-defender-10/?Season=2018-19&SeasonType=Playoffs&CloseDefDistRange=6%2B%20Feet%20-%20Wide%20Open&PerMode=Totals&TeamID=1610612753

there you go


wide open :
Evan 5-20
Augustin 7-15
Isaac 3-13
Gordon 6-10
Vuc 3-10
Ross 5-10

"Open"
Evan 2-9
Gordon 1-7
Isaac 1-6
DJ 2-4
Vuc 0-3

Vuc ,Evan and Isaac were just brutal. 13-61 for 3 while being open or wide open.
DJ's ability to make any shots wide open is key reason why i belived from start of preseason Fultz will not become starter any time soon. Magic simply need him to just stand there and be treat, especially because non other from starting 5 is having that type of gravity on outside shot for defense. That's also another reason why Ross will still finish games over Isaac. You need players that don't allow their defenders to drift around.
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Re: Preseason Game 3: Orlando Magic (2-0) at Atlanta Hawks (0-1) 

Post#244 » by swarlesbarkley » Fri Oct 11, 2019 6:41 pm

pepe1991 wrote:
swarlesbarkley wrote:Where do you get that info from? I'd be interested to see how many shots by our other guys were uncontested. Because when I watched the highlights, sure seemed like they had Kawhi or Danny Green guarding Gordon pretty closely and that his uncontested 3s came from good ball movement.


https://stats.nba.com/players/shots-closest-defender-10/?Season=2018-19&SeasonType=Playoffs&CloseDefDistRange=6%2B%20Feet%20-%20Wide%20Open&PerMode=Totals&TeamID=1610612753

there you go


wide open :
Evan 5-20
Augustin 7-15
Isaac 3-13
Gordon 6-10
Vuc 3-10
Ross 5-10

"Open"
Evan 2-9
Gordon 1-7
Isaac 1-6
DJ 2-4
Vuc 0-3

Vuc ,Evan and Isaac were just brutal. 13-61 for 3 while being open or wide open.
DJ's ability to make any shots wide open is key reason why i belived from start of preseason Fultz will not become starter any time soon. Magic simply need him to just stand there and be treat, especially because non other from starting 5 is having that type of gravity on outside shot for defense. That's also another reason why Ross will still finish games over Isaac. You need players that don't allow their defenders to drift around.


Appreciate the link to the stats. Very interesting. Though, looks to me that they didn't really single out Gordon to let him shoot wide open shots since he shot the same amount as Ross and Vuc (at a better clip, too). So then back to my original point, Gordon at 47% vs Kawhi/Green is way more impressive than Vuc at 36% against Gasol.

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