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AG MIA \ Ross Daydreaming?

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Re: AG MIA \ Ross Daydreaming? 

Post#21 » by The Real Dalic » Wed Oct 30, 2019 9:37 am

Damn, this board gives the Magic no time to shake the rust off. We're getting good looks every game, just need to start hitting them. It'll happen soon. We're not an under 400. FG% team.
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Re: AG MIA \ Ross Daydreaming? 

Post#22 » by drsd » Wed Oct 30, 2019 10:18 am

GelbeWand09 wrote:
drsd wrote:Well: today the Magic play one of the worst defensses in the league. Let's see if the shooting woes can be broken.


I expect at least 1 game this season, where we can't handle the physicality of Portis, Robinson, Randle & even Barrett. So i woudn't be surprised, if it happens today. At least it's a home game.


Your point is that Orlando's defense might have a tough time. Fine. But what Orlando needs is an offensive awakening, in my opinion.

And the Knicks is a good team to open up the offense.

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Re: AG MIA \ Ross Daydreaming? 

Post#23 » by GelbeWand09 » Wed Oct 30, 2019 10:38 am

drsd wrote:
GelbeWand09 wrote:
drsd wrote:Well: today the Magic play one of the worst defensses in the league. Let's see if the shooting woes can be broken.


I expect at least 1 game this season, where we can't handle the physicality of Portis, Robinson, Randle & even Barrett. So i woudn't be surprised, if it happens today. At least it's a home game.


Your point is that Orlando's defense might have a tough time. Fine. But what Orlando needs is an offensive awakening, in my opinion.

And the Knicks is a good team to open up the offense.

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Never said anything about defense. The physicality goes both ways. Robinson had his best games last year against us too & we lost a game against them because off it. I just expect at least 1 of those games occur again this season. Probably in NY but i woudnt surprised it happens tommorrow too.
On the other side we are due to a offense explosion, than it wont matter much.
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Re: AG MIA \ Ross Daydreaming? 

Post#24 » by Knightro » Wed Oct 30, 2019 11:00 am

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Knightro wrote:I not worried about Vucevic yet.

His shots at the rim are actually up and his midrange attempts are actually down compared to last year. 3 games in he's taking 31% of his shots at the rim, but only converting at 53%.

Last year he took 26% of his shots at the rim and converted well over 70% of them,

He's just missing easy/open shots right now. If he keeps taking these types of shots, he'll be just fine eventually.


AG isn't taking bad shots either, but isn't converting anything. He's 5-15 at the rim and 1-6 from three, so 21 of his 24 shots has come from the paint or behind the three point line, which is fine, he just needs to finish.


Great info.

Makes me more optimistic that a positive turn is coming.

Guys just don’t lose 20% off their FG% at the rim in one season. That’s just small sample size noise.
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Re: AG MIA \ Ross Daydreaming? 

Post#25 » by Xatticus » Wed Oct 30, 2019 2:23 pm

I really don't have any issues with the way Ross is playing. I thought he looked good when running the pick-and-roll at the tail end of last season. I expected to see more of that this year. I'm unconcerned by the shots he is taking though. Ross has different criteria for what constitutes a good shot. I really don't think he is an exceptional shooter, but he has really good balance, consistency, and terrific elevation. He doesn't need a lot of separation to get his shot off, so it doesn't really bother him when the defender is in close proximity.

Whenever a team is struggling to shoot, my first thought is about the legs. Are they getting overworked? You expect to struggle at shooting on the tail end of a back-to-back, but that certainly doesn't explain our woes up to this point. I don't know. We are better than we have shown in the early going, so I just have to expect regression to take us back in the other direction.
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Re: AG MIA \ Ross Daydreaming? 

Post#26 » by Knightro » Thu Oct 31, 2019 1:09 pm

Xatticus wrote:I really don't have any issues with the way Ross is playing. I thought he looked good when running the pick-and-roll at the tail end of last season. I expected to see more of that this year. I'm unconcerned by the shots he is taking though. Ross has different criteria for what constitutes a good shot. I really don't think he is an exceptional shooter, but he has really good balance, consistency, and terrific elevation. He doesn't need a lot of separation to get his shot off, so it doesn't really bother him when the defender is in close proximity.

Whenever a team is struggling to shoot, my first thought is about the legs. Are they getting overworked? You expect to struggle at shooting on the tail end of a back-to-back, but that certainly doesn't explain our woes up to this point. I don't know. We are better than we have shown in the early going, so I just have to expect regression to take us back in the other direction.


Positive regression is coming eventually. Look at these numbers...

Wide Open 3's Last Season
Ross 44.7%
Fournier 41.3%
Vucevic 39.9%

Wide Open 3's This Season
Ross 33.3%
Fournier 30.0%
Vucevic 21.4%

These guys have proven, multi-year track records of making open and wide open shots. The offense is going to get better eventually. Hopefully the second half of the Knicks game was a sign of things to come from a shot making perspective.
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Re: AG MIA \ Ross Daydreaming? 

Post#27 » by NavalAviator94 » Thu Oct 31, 2019 6:07 pm

Knightro wrote:
Xatticus wrote:I really don't have any issues with the way Ross is playing. I thought he looked good when running the pick-and-roll at the tail end of last season. I expected to see more of that this year. I'm unconcerned by the shots he is taking though. Ross has different criteria for what constitutes a good shot. I really don't think he is an exceptional shooter, but he has really good balance, consistency, and terrific elevation. He doesn't need a lot of separation to get his shot off, so it doesn't really bother him when the defender is in close proximity.

Whenever a team is struggling to shoot, my first thought is about the legs. Are they getting overworked? You expect to struggle at shooting on the tail end of a back-to-back, but that certainly doesn't explain our woes up to this point. I don't know. We are better than we have shown in the early going, so I just have to expect regression to take us back in the other direction.


Positive regression is coming eventually. Look at these numbers...

Wide Open 3's Last Season
Ross 44.7%
Fournier 41.3%
Vucevic 39.9%

Wide Open 3's This Season
Ross 33.3%
Fournier 30.0%
Vucevic 21.4%

These guys have proven, multi-year track records of making open and wide open shots. The offense is going to get better eventually. Hopefully the second half of the Knicks game was a sign of things to come from a shot making perspective.


And we all know teams defend better when they are making shots. Think about how good we can be if these guys begin to shoot their averages.
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Re: AG MIA \ Ross Daydreaming? 

Post#28 » by Rainwater » Sat Nov 2, 2019 5:01 am

These guys are role players playing in roles they shouldn't have. They are better than what they have been playing but they are not all star type players. At some point expections have to meet reality then there won't be disappointment.
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Re: AG MIA \ Ross Daydreaming? 

Post#29 » by JF5 » Sat Nov 2, 2019 12:51 pm

The Real Dalic wrote:Damn, this board gives the Magic no time to shake the rust off. We're getting good looks every game, just need to start hitting them. It'll happen soon. We're not an under 400. FG% team.


They're not but it's clear they don't have the scorers' neither... They were literally a player regression last year from being one of the worst offensive teams. Seriously, you can't expect a team of non-shooters/non-scorers to get significantly better with no star player to make them better or continuously give them looks/confidence to be better.

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