GT: Magic vs Raptors (thanksgiving)

[basketballRob]

The defense was much better against the Raptors than the previous 3 games. Maybe it's to do with AG.

Sent from my SM-G950U using RealGM mobile app

[ezzzp]

The defense was much better against the Raptors than the previous 3 games. Maybe it's to do with AG.

Sent from my SM-G950U using RealGM mobile app

I think it does. His impact on that end is noticeable and a big part of what has made the Magic a quality defense since last year.

[cedric76]

AG should focus on being the best defender on this team, he was doing that last year, but it seems that he did a U turn this year since he realised that isaac will be that guy.

We need AG +Isaac to be the best defensive forward combo of the league

[pepe1991]

A loss without our best player as expected. What else is new?

Sent from my VS501 using RealGM mobile app

Usage will go to other players ,he isn't good

Magic took additional nosedive in efficiency and off rating with Vuc out. Last 3 games bottom of all bottoms on offense.

Thanks to Fournier and DJ ball not moving the ball.

Thanks to them ball moved.

DJ augustin 44 passes ( team high)
Fultz 37
Evan 36


Potential assists
Evan 13- team high
DJ -7 tied with Gordon with second highest

points from assists
Evan -14 - team high
DJ Augustin -10 second highest on a team

You can push your bull**** all you want, and just doubling down on bias that comes from nothing but eye test that you predetermined to draw same "conclusions" off, based on personal agenda/opinion. Wrong opinion.

Poster who claims that "Vuc would not be starter" isn't really worth reply and for months i don't know why i ever reply to you as you always have borderline troll type behavior.

[j-ragg]

It was evident since that last playoffs, that the Raptors wanted him to create for the team. And shut down our main offensive option because they know AG is not effective doing so.. lol

Never understood what this meant. They forced our main guy to miss shots wide open 3s and let Gordon get wide open layups? Somehow everyone lowers their level of play except for Gordon and its used as a dig lol. It's either that or something about Gordon's "star potential" you get a kick out of.

[fendilim]

It was evident since that last playoffs, that the Raptors wanted him to create for the team. And shut down our main offensive option because they know AG is not effective doing so.. lol

Never understood what this meant. They forced our main guy to miss shots wide open 3s and let Gordon get wide open layups? Somehow everyone lowers their level of play except for Gordon and its used as a dig lol. It's either that or something about Gordon's "star potential" you get a kick out of.

The Raptors' strategy was to shut down Fournier, Ross and Vuc, and were willing to let Gordon facilitate our offense.

Its not a dig on AG because its true. Its like saying FOurnier is a bad defensive player, or Vuc is a bad shot blocker. AG is not an effective facilitator on offense. Numbers have shown that, and those numbers have remained almost the same every year, despite AG putting a lot of effort in that aspect of his game. That's why the Raptors were willing to let him create.

[j-ragg]

It was evident since that last playoffs, that the Raptors wanted him to create for the team. And shut down our main offensive option because they know AG is not effective doing so.. lol

Never understood what this meant. They forced our main guy to miss shots wide open 3s and let Gordon get wide open layups? Somehow everyone lowers their level of play except for Gordon and its used as a dig lol. It's either that or something about Gordon's "star potential" you get a kick out of.

The Raptors' strategy was to shut down Fournier, Ross and Vuc, and were willing to let Gordon facilitate our offense.

Its not a dig on AG because its true. Its like saying FOurnier is a bad defensive player, or Vuc is a bad shot blocker. AG is not an effective facilitator on offense. Numbers have shown that, and those numbers have remained almost the same every year, despite AG putting a lot of effort in that aspect of his game. That's why the Raptors were willing to let him create.

Guess I just don't know what "let" means. Gordon was going against 1 of Siakam/Kawhi every time down. He wasn't even that good or anything, just didn't suck which is why I don't get why you guys always try to use that against him. This year alone he gives you plenty of material to laugh at him for.

[Popsicle1228]

Yeah, Gordon needs to go at this point. I think he's shooting around 40 percent while shooting
under 30 percent from 3... He has his moments but for a starting 3 in the spacing era that's not going to get it get it done. He really needs to work on his BBIQ. I don't understand why he elects to take tough shots all the time when he has trouble making easy open jumpshots.

That hanging on the rim was senseless. Things like that motivate the team you're playing.

Sent from my SM-G950U using RealGM mobile app

One of few times I agree with you, and slapping the back board ensures a tech. Seems like getting on the highlight reel was more important to AG than getting the “W” on this night. Those YouTube clicks maintain his overrated status and keep him relevant/marketable. One can see in his play that he desperately wants to be a “star.”

[fendilim]

Yeah, Gordon needs to go at this point. I think he's shooting around 40 percent while shooting
under 30 percent from 3... He has his moments but for a starting 3 in the spacing era that's not going to get it get it done. He really needs to work on his BBIQ. I don't understand why he elects to take tough shots all the time when he has trouble making easy open jumpshots.

That hanging on the rim was senseless. Things like that motivate the team you're playing.

Sent from my SM-G950U using RealGM mobile app

One of few times I agree with you, and slapping the back board ensures a tech. Seems like getting on the highlight reel was more important to AG than getting the “W” on this night. Those YouTube clicks maintain his overrated status and keep him relevant/marketable. One can see in his play that he desperately wants to be a “star.”

To be fair to ag, this isnt why we lost the game. Y’all giving him a hard time. Birch flexed his muscles in Toronto when were like down by 20 or something. Didnt even receive this kind of reception.

Did this serve as a motivation for the raptors? Sure. But losing to them in the playoffs should have served as motivation for our guys as well.

I’ve always said AG is a product of the dunk contest. Unfortunately, its getting in his head.

[Rainwater]

The defense was much better against the Raptors than the previous 3 games. Maybe it's to do with AG.

Sent from my SM-G950U using RealGM mobile app

This is very likely, I really can't question AG's defensive capabilities, he is really good on that end.

[basketballRob]

Usage will go to other players ,he isn't good

Magic took additional nosedive in efficiency and off rating with Vuc out. Last 3 games bottom of all bottoms on offense.

Thanks to Fournier and DJ ball not moving the ball.

Thanks to them ball moved.

DJ augustin 44 passes ( team high)
Fultz 37
Evan 36


Potential assists
Evan 13- team high
DJ -7 tied with Gordon with second highest

points from assists
Evan -14 - team high
DJ Augustin -10 second highest on a team

You can push your bull**** all you want, and just doubling down on bias that comes from nothing but eye test that you predetermined to draw same "conclusions" off, based on personal agenda/opinion. Wrong opinion.

Poster who claims that "Vuc would not be starter" isn't really worth reply and for months i don't know why i ever reply to you as you always have borderline troll type behavior.

Most teams value a higher quality of defense from the center position.

I can't think if 15 teams that Vuc would start on.

Sent from my SM-G950U using RealGM mobile app

[Xatticus]

It was evident since that last playoffs, that the Raptors wanted him to create for the team. And shut down our main offensive option because they know AG is not effective doing so.. lol

Never understood what this meant. They forced our main guy to miss shots wide open 3s and let Gordon get wide open layups? Somehow everyone lowers their level of play except for Gordon and its used as a dig lol. It's either that or something about Gordon's "star potential" you get a kick out of.

The Raptors' strategy was to shut down Fournier, Ross and Vuc, and were willing to let Gordon facilitate our offense.

Its not a dig on AG because its true. Its like saying FOurnier is a bad defensive player, or Vuc is a bad shot blocker. AG is not an effective facilitator on offense. Numbers have shown that, and those numbers have remained almost the same every year, despite AG putting a lot of effort in that aspect of his game. That's why the Raptors were willing to let him create.

They exploited our lack of ball movement. Our offense by that point was heavily dependent on pick-and-rolls, and we have nobody that makes the cross-court pass. If you bring help from the weak side against the pick-and-roll and take away the pocket pass, our offense dies. They didn't ignore Gordon. They didn't force Gordon to create. He just did what he always does. He is never a factor in the pick-and-roll, much like anyone else on the floor that isn't directly involved in it. Toronto shut down the pick-and-roll, but we just kept running it. That was the entirety of Toronto's adjustment after game 1.

[fendilim]

Never understood what this meant. They forced our main guy to miss shots wide open 3s and let Gordon get wide open layups? Somehow everyone lowers their level of play except for Gordon and its used as a dig lol. It's either that or something about Gordon's "star potential" you get a kick out of.

The Raptors' strategy was to shut down Fournier, Ross and Vuc, and were willing to let Gordon facilitate our offense.

Its not a dig on AG because its true. Its like saying FOurnier is a bad defensive player, or Vuc is a bad shot blocker. AG is not an effective facilitator on offense. Numbers have shown that, and those numbers have remained almost the same every year, despite AG putting a lot of effort in that aspect of his game. That's why the Raptors were willing to let him create.

They exploited our lack of ball movement. Our offense by that point was heavily dependent on pick-and-rolls, and we have nobody that makes the cross-court pass. If you bring help from the weak side against the pick-and-roll and take away the pocket pass, our offense dies. They didn't ignore Gordon. They didn't force Gordon to create. He just did what he always does. He is never a factor in the pick-and-roll, much like anyone else on the floor that isn't directly involved in it. Toronto shut down the pick-and-roll, but we just kept running it. That was the entirety of Toronto's adjustment after game 1.

Actually numbers did show that after Game 1, the Raptors focused more on DJ than AG, other than focusing on our main offensive players Vuc, Ross and Evan. There was an uptick of 7% in usage for AG from Game 1 compared to Games 2-5. Obviously not the whole reason of why we lost that series, but Gordon not being efficient with the ball played as part of their defensive adjustment.

[MagicFrenchie]

Actually that JAZZ demolitionmakes that loss a little less painful

Toronto's defense is something else, combined with high BBIQ....verry underatted team even without kawhi