pepe1991 wrote:SOUL wrote:pepe1991 wrote:
We talk about offense and you talk about DPOY.
Will you ever build team around Isaac ? No.
For same reasons why you can't build team around Gobert or Draymoond Green or Tony Allen.
Payton averaged 8 ppg on 38% FG while having career low 3,8 assists before injury. You are really going to bark about it ? Don't dig yourself deeper into Payton hole, people just started to forget how out of touch you was when it comes to him.
I was wrong about prediction of rookie ,you kept arguing for 4 years/ 300 games played of evidence Payton is good.
Fultz is 21. Morant is 20, LUka is 20, Trae is 20. SGA is 20.
All 4 of them have 1 year of experience less ( at lest on paper ). Age nowdays is just a number as we had 23 years old DPOY few years back ( Leonard), 24 years old MVP ( Giannis) and front runner for MPV this year is 20 years old.
Only in eyes of this fanbase "grace period" for rookie last 10 years. Gordon is 6th year player and posters talk about his potential
Basketball is played with offense and defense, just because this team needs offense doesn't mean his defense isn't insanely valuable to it. And as well as DSJ being bad offensively, he is a sieve on defense. Just a bad player right now.
Isaac has a real chance to be more dynamic on offense than Gobert, Green, or Tony Allen though. Hell, he already is. His ppg this year (which can go up even more) would be a career high for Allen and Draymond in their 22 seasons combined (except 1 year from Draymond at 14 ppg), and he's showing that he can start to work better inside, is developing a three point shot (albeit streaky), and is a good FT shooter.
Again, Isaac's offense this year is better than Vuc's 5th-7th years, so why can't the we turn into a team built around Isaac if his offense gets better? I don't want him to be a #1 option (just like I don't want Vuc to be) because I think it's a pipe dream that he ever turns into a Giannis, but hey, I can't say he wouldn't turn into even a Siakam type of player who's 25 and doing what he's doing. Who knows? Like seriously, what is stopping him? He's on pace to be a better FT shooter and equal three point shooter basically to Vuc already.
And I mean, you still won't admit that they've proven you wrong so far fully.. even the people that agree with you on Fournier and Vuc don't agree with your views on Fultz or Isaac because you can't predict the future and will prob use examples of players that didn't improve offensively which will make no sense because there is no fixed trajectory.
You keep bringing up Payton because you are losing other arguments.. I'm not going to reply your stats from four game sample before an injury
Bla bla bla
Isaac is player who only makes wide open jumpers as nobody guards him most of the time
i keep bringing Payton because him and Gordon are best examples how bad you are at evaluating talents.
Like, you literally claimed they will be duo that will take Magic to next level, Gordon will be next superstar and Payton will be top 10 PG. What happend? Reality K.O.ed you?
My prediction for this franchise if it ever comes to Isaac and Fultz to lead them is simple: They will Payton-Gordon-ed it to another rebuild.
give me 2 years so i can mock your opinions again.
Now i just have enough time,evidence and space to mock your wrong claims from 2016,2017 and 2018.
Is Gordon allstar this year ? I mean you kept saying that for 4 years, is it finally his time , or it's just "evil Evan" who holds him down ?
"be more dynamic than Draymoond" and goes to look at his ppgs. I guess averaging 7,4 apg means nothing to you. No suprise, as you advocate for player who is career 1,00 APG player.
Btw , let's use some flawed, failed and childish logic against you for a bit.
If Isaac is elite defender, Gordon is great defender, and Fultz is defensive stud why Magic are 9th and not 1# best defense? How can it be that team that has Murray, Harris and Jokić are best defensive team in basketball?
Why team that has TJ Warren, Lamb and Sabo is ranked higher than Magic despite only having 1 great defender on whole roster?
It just means they are not that great and should be traded. I mean that's pretty much core logic you and Knighro are operating this Evan- Vučević attack.
This is my last post about this topic, this board went full crazy mode and turned into two players- bashing in favor of some unproven, flawed rookie scale contracts that are yet to show any flashes of stardom , hell one of them, Bamba is yet to show any flashes he should be in NBA
Why do you keep bringing up Payton? Why are you trying to do victory laps? He is still a starting PG in the NBA. If we had Payton, we would be a better, right now, because Augustin still has a significant role on this team. Payton is a much better PG than Augustin. If we just camped them in a corner, then Augustin might be more useful, but we run our offense through him whenever he is on the floor and he is dreadful at running an offense.
You should at least wait until Payton is out of New York to bring him up again. It's difficult to sell this as a win when he is the starting PG on a roster that has DSJ on it. DSJ probably wouldn't even be in NY's rotation if Payton was healthy. We aren't even 12 months removed from you wanting to trade our best player, at this very moment, to acquire DSJ.
Speaking of Isaac, we should absolutely be trying to build this team around him. I don't believe it's just a coincidence that we became a good defensive team when Isaac joined the lineup. You might've forgotten, but we used to be awful at both ends of the floor. Isaac is our best hope to a bright future at this point.
It occurred to me recently that you would've absolutely loved Paul Westhead. He coached the Lakers before Magic Johnson forced him out in favor of Pat Riley. After that, he went to Loyola Marymount where he set all sorts of offensive records in the NCAA before returning to the NBA with the Denver Nuggets. He took with him his run-and-gun experiment from LMU. Denver led the NBA in scoring in his first year there, but won 20 games because they conceded 130 points per game. They weren't efficient, but they scored a hell of a lot of points. He was forced to abandon the run-and-gun in the following year. They sunk to near bottom in points per game, but managed to win four more games than the previous year (24-58). He was subsequently fired.
There is a lesson to be learned in this.