pepe1991 wrote:MagicMatic wrote:pepe1991 wrote:Hawks, Knicks and Cavs are rebuilding for solid 3 years now. Outside of Trae Young ( second worst guard defender in nba ,who is pretty much eastern version of Devin Booker , empty stats on 15 wins teams) they have nobody to build teams around.
Using word "rebuilding" loosly because they are doing nothing but spinning wheel of pathetic sucking for another year without any plan for future. Much like Suns and MInessota spent last 10 years "rebuiding" and never rebuilt.
Why are you pretending Magic didn't tank and it didn't work? Gordon, Hezonja,Payton, Isaac, Bamba are all lottery picks.
Where are stars?
How da F- somebody can advocate for tanking knowing that Suns won 18 games to draft f***ing Jarrett Culver
For every one of these examples there is a
Drafting a star player requires luck in the lottery, appropriate scouting, and available talent. Having better odds would have landed us KP or Doncic, and we ended up with Mario and Bamba. Minnesota decided to build around a new age big and a wildly inconsistent wing that never lived up to expectations. Neither of which are known for their work ethic or grit. Suns missed on nearly every pick (including Ayton) except arguably Booker. Both franchises have accomplished exactly the same amount as Orlando in the same timeframe - nothing.
Tanking isn’t the answer, especially now because of the rule changes. That’s not what this thread is about. Rebuilding doesn’t mean “Tanking” as much as it means making smart trades to raise the ceiling of the team at the expense of nba veterans that keep Orlando a treadmill.
For what it’s worth, I’d much rather have a team like New Orleans or Memphis right now than Orlando. Being in a position to land/attract star players while having losing records, likely missing the playoffs, and playing fun to watch basketball.
So why do you need to blow whole roster out to make right decisions?
Celtics, Jazz and Dallas never tanked.
Memphis and Pelicans, much like Magic, Suns, Kings will never attract free agents no matter what they "build" because free agents have zero desire to go there. You know it ,i know it, everybody knows it.
Even when smaller market teams get superstar on rookie contract ( Pelicans = Davis, Cavs = Lebron, Durant, Westbrook, Harden = OKC) they still never attract free agents and after few years stars leave and small market teams are back at square one.
Giannis already hinted what he will do if Bucks fail this year.
I saw on Jazz thread that Bojan Bogdanovic is the biggest free agent name they signed in their history. I love me some Bojan, but hello, it's freaking Jazz, team that had Malone and Stock, was regular NBA finals team, has big history, yet... because of location nobody ever goes there.
This is not really secret, after Davis got traded Holiday went to media and said that he only re-signed there because of him.
Kawhi walked away from championship team to go to play in LA.
We can talk here for years about this topic, reality is cruel. NBA stars care about location more than situation.
Dallas never tanked? Lol. Cuban said explicitly he wanted to and did. It was pretty clear Doncic was his target prior to that draft and trade. Boston drafted Tatum #2 and Brown #3. Memphis and New Orleans are more attractive destinations with Morant and Zion than what we have in Orlando. Isaac is the closest draw, but he isn’t on that level offensively.
Again, I’m not saying tanking is the answer, but the teams I listed now have better assets than Orlando because of the draft regardless of if they are traded or make them competitive within a window.
Ok so what are you trying to say? Orlando can’t acquire free agents because they are a small market and drafting is pointless because players will eventually leave for greener pastures? So you are saying there is no point at all....
I think a team like OKC was completely mismanaged and had a real chance at winning multiple championships because of their drafts. Utah has come close with Stockton / Malone. Atlanta was a contender within this decade despite not being the ideal franchise. Phoenix has its run with Nash and co. etc etc. Milwaukee might actually win it all this year built around Giannis. Small markets are capable when they draft well and manage contracts effectively.
The point is that it simply makes more sense to attempt to draft these kinds of players, within their 2x contract window, rather than pretending Orlando is accomplishing anything substantial by drafting 15-20 while failing to land talent via free agency. Anything short of that is assuming this FO will draft the second coming of Giannis within that range.