Magic Trade Lakers 2020 2nd for James Ennis

[drsd]

Agreed that the other guys are playing great, but sometimes with Ennis we are -10.2, but with Iwundu we could be -15, so it's not like he is not helping. We all know he shouldn't be a starter, but a #59 pick for a "starter"/bench player was a good trade.

For me, this is the key: Ennis is better than what the Magic was playing. Is he "bad", well he is not an NBA starter. Is he less "bad", yes.

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[drsd]

It's an insignificant trade imo. Our most played Iwundu lineup which included him as the starter had a -5.3 net rating and was significantly better defensively. If you replaced Iwundu with Ennis I don't personally think we'd miss a beat. Ross/AG playing well and our softer schedule has nothing to do with Ennis.

Well Orlando essentially traded Ennis for Jefferson; that is a massive upgrade down the deep bench.
(And let's not forget that Clark is also a competent NBA player getting the same ZERO minutes as Iwundu and Birch).

This team is now fairly resistant to bench injuries, and that is a good thing.

[Xatticus]

Agreed that the other guys are playing great, but sometimes with Ennis we are -10.2, but with Iwundu we could be -15, so it's not like he is not helping. We all know he shouldn't be a starter, but a #59 pick for a "starter"/bench player was a good trade.

It's an insignificant trade imo. Our most played Iwundu lineup which included him as the starter had a -5.3 net rating and was significantly better defensively. If you replaced Iwundu with Ennis I don't personally think we'd miss a beat. Ross/AG playing well and our softer schedule has nothing to do with Ennis.

This.

There really isn't any evidence to suggest that we are better with Ennis than we are with Iwundu. I have nothing against Ennis, but this is just a false argument to legitimize the notion that Iwundu was killing us or that our front office is working to improve the roster. Picking up the NBA's sloppy sevenths hasn't altered our station whatsoever. We are minus-8 in 128 minutes with Ennis on the floor against a weak slate of competition. We are actually plus-28 when Ennis hasn't been on the floor in those six games. We are minus-3 in 749 minutes with Iwundu this year. We might be better with Ennis on the floor instead of Birch, but you can blame that on Clifford and his stubborn preferences.

Let's just be clear on what the Ennis acquisition was. Philadelphia was going to waive him. They no longer had room for him on their roster after their trade with GS. Ennis agreed to waive his no-trade clause because he would've been without a team if he hadn't. Getting an inconsequential pick in return was a win as far as Philadelphia was concerned. It's a condemnation of our roster that Ennis has almost immediately slotted into our starting lineup.

[drsd]

There really isn't any evidence to suggest that we are better with Ennis than we are with Iwundu.

For me it is this:

Orlando Magic trade for James Ennis, waive Amile Jefferson

Ennis is an NBA-cailber player and Jefferson is not. So: regardless of Ennis / Iwundu / Birch starting, Orlando's bench is deeper.

All at the cost of the 58/59th pick in the draft and waiving a player that was not going to get another minute of court time.

Ennis as a Magician is a roster upgrade.


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So I really think we should ask a different question: who should start: Ennis, Iwundu, or Birch?
Reflectively I think the answer from almost all, including perhaps you, will reveal that Ennis is actually better than Iwundu moving forward in this playoff run.



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[The Real Dalic]

Agreed that the other guys are playing great, but sometimes with Ennis we are -10.2, but with Iwundu we could be -15, so it's not like he is not helping. We all know he shouldn't be a starter, but a #59 pick for a "starter"/bench player was a good trade.

It's an insignificant trade imo. Our most played Iwundu lineup which included him as the starter had a -5.3 net rating and was significantly better defensively. If you replaced Iwundu with Ennis I don't personally think we'd miss a beat. Ross/AG playing well and our softer schedule has nothing to do with Ennis.

This.

There really isn't any evidence to suggest that we are better with Ennis than we are with Iwundu. I have nothing against Ennis, but this is just a false argument to legitimize the notion that Iwundu was killing us or that our front office is working to improve the roster. Picking up the NBA's sloppy sevenths hasn't altered our station whatsoever. We are minus-8 in 128 minutes with Ennis on the floor against a weak slate of competition. We are actually plus-28 when Ennis hasn't been on the floor in those six games. We are minus-3 in 749 minutes with Iwundu this year. We might be better with Ennis on the floor instead of Birch, but you can blame that on Clifford and his stubborn preferences.

Let's just be clear on what the Ennis acquisition was. Philadelphia was going to waive him. They no longer had room for him on their roster after their trade with GS. Ennis agreed to waive his no-trade clause because he would've been without a team if he hadn't. Getting an inconsequential pick in return was a win as far as Philadelphia was concerned. It's a condemnation of our roster that Ennis has almost immediately slotted into our starting lineup.

Yeah, no reason to have traded for Savior. Super unimpressive. I honestly would rather start Iwundu.

[Skybox]

It's an insignificant trade imo. Our most played Iwundu lineup which included him as the starter had a -5.3 net rating and was significantly better defensively. If you replaced Iwundu with Ennis I don't personally think we'd miss a beat. Ross/AG playing well and our softer schedule has nothing to do with Ennis.

This.

There really isn't any evidence to suggest that we are better with Ennis than we are with Iwundu. I have nothing against Ennis, but this is just a false argument to legitimize the notion that Iwundu was killing us or that our front office is working to improve the roster. Picking up the NBA's sloppy sevenths hasn't altered our station whatsoever. We are minus-8 in 128 minutes with Ennis on the floor against a weak slate of competition. We are actually plus-28 when Ennis hasn't been on the floor in those six games. We are minus-3 in 749 minutes with Iwundu this year. We might be better with Ennis on the floor instead of Birch, but you can blame that on Clifford and his stubborn preferences.

Let's just be clear on what the Ennis acquisition was. Philadelphia was going to waive him. They no longer had room for him on their roster after their trade with GS. Ennis agreed to waive his no-trade clause because he would've been without a team if he hadn't. Getting an inconsequential pick in return was a win as far as Philadelphia was concerned. It's a condemnation of our roster that Ennis has almost immediately slotted into our starting lineup.

Yeah, no reason to have traded for Savior. Super unimpressive. I honestly would rather start Iwundu.

I love the pickup, and Iwundu, and Clark. Get Allen Crabbe next and let them shoot it out for PT. Lebron's MIA team had a bench full of shooters and whoever was on that night, stayed in...No risk, why not.

"Savior" gets funnier every time

[The Real Dalic]

This.

There really isn't any evidence to suggest that we are better with Ennis than we are with Iwundu. I have nothing against Ennis, but this is just a false argument to legitimize the notion that Iwundu was killing us or that our front office is working to improve the roster. Picking up the NBA's sloppy sevenths hasn't altered our station whatsoever. We are minus-8 in 128 minutes with Ennis on the floor against a weak slate of competition. We are actually plus-28 when Ennis hasn't been on the floor in those six games. We are minus-3 in 749 minutes with Iwundu this year. We might be better with Ennis on the floor instead of Birch, but you can blame that on Clifford and his stubborn preferences.

Let's just be clear on what the Ennis acquisition was. Philadelphia was going to waive him. They no longer had room for him on their roster after their trade with GS. Ennis agreed to waive his no-trade clause because he would've been without a team if he hadn't. Getting an inconsequential pick in return was a win as far as Philadelphia was concerned. It's a condemnation of our roster that Ennis has almost immediately slotted into our starting lineup.

Yeah, no reason to have traded for Savior. Super unimpressive. I honestly would rather start Iwundu.

I love the pickup, and Iwundu, and Clark. Get Allen Crabbe next and let them shoot it out for PT. Lebron's MIA team had a bench full of shooters and whoever was on that night, stayed in...No risk, why not.

"Savior" gets funnier every time

1. It's not supposed to be funny. 2. Why do we keep calling him a shooter? He's mediocre at best at that. He's just a hustle player who slashes and shoots occassionally. Nothing special at all.

Would rather start Iwundu. He was playing very well before Savior took that spot from him. The only great thing about Savior is that he guarantees that Birch doesn't play anymore. Birch is okay at some spot minutes at the 5, but everyone hated him at the 4. It made no sense.

[j-ragg]

Melvin Frazier must suck ass in practice. He's one of the few Weltman picks I actually liked, and I guess I'm the dummy. He puts up GLeague stats, is long and athletic, and isn't a shooter but is 4/7 from 3 in the garbage minutes he's played this year.

Not saying he should be the starter, but surprising we couldn't use someone like him.

[Skybox]

Yeah, no reason to have traded for Savior. Super unimpressive. I honestly would rather start Iwundu.

I love the pickup, and Iwundu, and Clark. Get Allen Crabbe next and let them shoot it out for PT. Lebron's MIA team had a bench full of shooters and whoever was on that night, stayed in...No risk, why not.

"Savior" gets funnier every time

1. It's not supposed to be funny. 2. Why do we keep calling him a shooter? He's mediocre at best at that. He's just a hustle player who slashes and shoots occassionally. Nothing special at all.

Would rather start Iwundu. He was playing very well before Savior took that spot from him. The only great thing about Savior is that he guarantees that Birch doesn't play anymore. Birch is okay at some spot minutes at the 5, but everyone hated him at the 4. It made no sense.

Agree about Birch and Iwundu. Birch is a nice guy, hard worker, hustler...but so am I. Iwundu somehow doesn't score 5+ points but always seems to have a positive +/-. If he's making his corner 3's, he's a nice piece. Ennis and Clark are what they are - no cost, no risk, likely contributors. All I mean is, stockpile those guys (along with some young hungries) and let them compete. If they're off they sit, if they're on, they play...MIA had Mike Miller, James Johnson(?),and a few other vets and different ones stepped up on different nights. Idk if Frazier is even getting closer to the court, how many years is a prospect viable if he can't get 5 min of garbage time?