FO Direction and Aaron Gordon's ceiling

[zaymon]

But what did they do?trade picks for picks down the road.How does that immediately start increasing talent?

Picks we used to trade for Fultz and Ennis. It significantly increased our talent.

also drafted Iwundu and then Rabb and immediately traded Rabb.

I dont think we miss Rabb. Iwundu is above average outcome for a 2nd rounder

Drafted Bamba when we had Vuc

going high ceiling bpa, you do it everytime or you pass on doncic becouse you have fox

missing out on a lot of really good players when the league was moving away from big men with more importance on wings. Drafted Melvin Frazier, duplicating skills already on the team. Drafted VAnderbilt and traded him for Justin Jackson

You literally answered your question yourself. we take a lot of swings on wings becouse they are the most valueable

All the front office has done is re-sign their vets and add another vet in Aminu on a slightly overpaid contract for what he brings (which is yet another duplication of skills already on the roster).

We resigned veterans to preserve assets. Aminu has very valueable skillset and gives us replacement for Gordon if we trade him

Except for taking a chance on Fultz, they have not addressed lack of play makers or shooting.

yes i agree with that, but you could also make argument that they didnt really want to expend any assets to win. Getting MCW and Ennis for basically free is nice. Okeke is also a step in the right direction

unless a major roster overhaul happens after the season, this front office is a complete failure in my eyes

I dont think Weltman did any major misstep. He didnt hit a home run yet, but its hard to expect it after just 3 years. I expect him to make more moves this offseason.

[cedric76]

But what did they do?trade picks for picks down the road.How does that immediately start increasing talent?

Picks we used to trade for Fultz and Ennis. It significantly increased our talent.

also drafted Iwundu and then Rabb and immediately traded Rabb.

I dont think we miss Rabb. Iwundu is above average outcome for a 2nd rounder

Drafted Bamba when we had Vuc

going high ceiling bpa, you do it everytime or you pass on doncic becouse you have fox

missing out on a lot of really good players when the league was moving away from big men with more importance on wings. Drafted Melvin Frazier, duplicating skills already on the team. Drafted VAnderbilt and traded him for Justin Jackson

You literally answered your question yourself. we take a lot of swings on wings becouse they are the most valueable

All the front office has done is re-sign their vets and add another vet in Aminu on a slightly overpaid contract for what he brings (which is yet another duplication of skills already on the roster).

We resigned veterans to preserve assets. Aminu has very valueable skillset and gives us replacement for Gordon if we trade him

Except for taking a chance on Fultz, they have not addressed lack of play makers or shooting.

yes i agree with that, but you could also make argument that they didnt really want to expend any assets to win. Getting MCW and Ennis for basically free is nice. Okeke is also a step in the right direction

unless a major roster overhaul happens after the season, this front office is a complete failure in my eyes

I dont think Weltman did any major misstep. He didnt hit a home run yet, but its hard to expect it after just 3 years. I expect him to make more moves this offseason.

In weham i trust

[tiderulz]

But what did they do?trade picks for picks down the road.How does that immediately start increasing talent?

Picks we used to trade for Fultz and Ennis. It significantly increased our talent.

also drafted Iwundu and then Rabb and immediately traded Rabb.

I dont think we miss Rabb. Iwundu is above average outcome for a 2nd rounder

Drafted Bamba when we had Vuc

going high ceiling bpa, you do it everytime or you pass on doncic becouse you have fox

missing out on a lot of really good players when the league was moving away from big men with more importance on wings. Drafted Melvin Frazier, duplicating skills already on the team. Drafted VAnderbilt and traded him for Justin Jackson

You literally answered your question yourself. we take a lot of swings on wings becouse they are the most valueable

All the front office has done is re-sign their vets and add another vet in Aminu on a slightly overpaid contract for what he brings (which is yet another duplication of skills already on the roster).

We resigned veterans to preserve assets. Aminu has very valueable skillset and gives us replacement for Gordon if we trade him

Except for taking a chance on Fultz, they have not addressed lack of play makers or shooting.

yes i agree with that, but you could also make argument that they didnt really want to expend any assets to win. Getting MCW and Ennis for basically free is nice. Okeke is also a step in the right direction

unless a major roster overhaul happens after the season, this front office is a complete failure in my eyes

I dont think Weltman did any major misstep. He didnt hit a home run yet, but its hard to expect it after just 3 years. I expect him to make more moves this offseason.

except we were taking swings on players exactly like we had on the team. Aminu doent have a "valuable skillset", he's a combo forward with adequate defense and inadequate 3 pt shooting. thats not very valuable. Okeke hasnt even played yet, so we dont know what he is, but what he isnt is a playmaker, which was called out on all the scouting reports, handles and shot creativity. And Bamba may have some mythical potential, but again the league has moved away from big men. Sexton, SGA, Gary Trent JR, and plenty of other shooters and wings were available and much better choice imo. You can win in this league with subpar bigmen, you cant with subpar wings.

You have your opinion, i have mine. its fine that we dont agree on the bad job the front office has done

[jonbob17]

20-62
23-59
25-57
35-47
29-53
25-57

And after all that there was still grand total of 0 stars acquired through draft.
At some point it becomes obvious that tanking as strategy simply does not work for that team, for one reason or another.


Magic are not only team that had catastrophic result of total tear down
Suns:
23-59
24-58
21-61
19-63

4 years, 1 young stud. That's it. This year, before covid, their record was 25-39, yet another crappy year. Now they are on a tear, but once again, it's Booker + vets

Atlanta ( 3 years and counting) of being terrible

Kings:
longest time without playoffs

Bulls : 3 years going nowhere and counting

Knicks: 7 years of going nowhere and counting

Pistons: 11 of last 12 seasons with negative record

Hornets : 9 out of last 10 seasons with negative record

Before Durant and Irving, Nets for last 14 years were only respectful once. 6 years in a row with negative win record

Timberwolves : 14 out of last 15 seasons with negative record


That's 1/3 of a league that was not competitive between 3 and 15 years

Magic "rebuild" via tank had to be stopped at some point, it was miserable, money bleeding experience for both fans and ownership with zero gain.

Phoenix - Booker, Bridges, Ayton, Cam Johnson, and assets they can trade for more. They might even have enough to bring in a third star
Atlanta - Trae, Reddish, Collins (maybe Hunter) and tradeable players, they could probably bring in a decent piece with there other players.
Bulls - They were forced to trade stars for young guys, rather than tanking
Knicks - dumpster fire tankers
Pistons - haven't been tanking, trying to win, and are stuck with bad contract, and no talent

I would rather be in position of all of these dire situations EXCEPT Detroit, Charlotte, and probably Sacramento. We are closer to Detroit and Sacramento, and even the Kings have some tradeable players.

[pepe1991]

20-62
23-59
25-57
35-47
29-53
25-57

And after all that there was still grand total of 0 stars acquired through draft.
At some point it becomes obvious that tanking as strategy simply does not work for that team, for one reason or another.


Magic are not only team that had catastrophic result of total tear down
Suns:
23-59
24-58
21-61
19-63

4 years, 1 young stud. That's it. This year, before covid, their record was 25-39, yet another crappy year. Now they are on a tear, but once again, it's Booker + vets

Atlanta ( 3 years and counting) of being terrible

Kings:
longest time without playoffs

Bulls : 3 years going nowhere and counting

Knicks: 7 years of going nowhere and counting

Pistons: 11 of last 12 seasons with negative record

Hornets : 9 out of last 10 seasons with negative record

Before Durant and Irving, Nets for last 14 years were only respectful once. 6 years in a row with negative win record

Timberwolves : 14 out of last 15 seasons with negative record


That's 1/3 of a league that was not competitive between 3 and 15 years

Magic "rebuild" via tank had to be stopped at some point, it was miserable, money bleeding experience for both fans and ownership with zero gain.

Phoenix - Booker, Bridges, Ayton, Cam Johnson, and assets they can trade for more. They might even have enough to bring in a third star
Atlanta - Trae, Reddish, Collins (maybe Hunter) and tradeable players, they could probably bring in a decent piece with there other players.
Bulls - They were forced to trade stars for young guys, rather than tanking
Knicks - dumpster fire tankers
Pistons - haven't been tanking, trying to win, and are stuck with bad contract, and no talent

I would rather be in position of all of these dire situations EXCEPT Detroit, Charlotte, and probably Sacramento. We are closer to Detroit and Sacramento, and even the Kings have some tradeable players.

Who's Suns second star? Ayton is part time starter...Their second best player is probably Rubio. Cam Johnson is 24 years old rookie, who's role is poor man Terrence Ross. Same with Bridges. Where are their 4 lottery picks from loooong yeas of sucking? Oh, they did not pan out and that was it.

Atlanta has for now- empty stat padder Trae Young, empty stat padder Collins and... bodies. Reddish shot 38% FG for whole season.
Oh they have Capella, oh boy how dissapointed they will get with him once it becomes obvious that every brick can play pick&roll with Harden and even Byiombo would look good with Harden doing all the lifting. We can pretend that they are young and upcomming as long as we want, but team with 20-47 record on this east today, is indeed complete dumpster fire. But empty stats of 35% usage rate of 6'1 guard hide their actual ceiling .

Bulls had Butler, Wade, Taj, Rondo, MCW, Lopez just 3 years ago and simply went nowhere with them.

Knicks are team that tried to build a team via draft and failed. Simple as that.



Magic tradable players are : Vuc, Gordon, Evan , Ross, Fultz, Isaac, Bamba, Okeke and Birch.

[Ayt]

How is Ayton a part-time starter?

[Bonafide89]

How is Ayton a part-time starter?

How is Bamba a backup's backup?

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[dsg2021]

Really good opinions and ideas reading through. I don't mind all of the Henni guys still here, because it was good-sense and good-value on resigns, but I don't know.. my post was about where are the moves on the margins that could have been better, especially if no big risk homeruns are coming out. Maybe I’m asking and expecting too much when I want an A+ FO? Hah

[nemesis37]

I'm ready for another season of Vuc and Fournier.

The owners must want to remain a low playoff seed at least, Iit's known they don't want to rebuild trough draft and Vuc and Fournier are our best players, not the starts we want, but the most solid players. Let's at least expect WeHam make some good moves and Fultz, Gordon keep evolving theirs games to make this tame at least a enjoyable to watch.

I really don't expect too see great changes to our roster next season, unfortunately.

[tiderulz]

I'm ready for another season of Vuc and Fournier.

The owners must want to remain a low playoff seed at least, Iit's known they don't want to rebuild trough draft and Vuc and Fournier are our best players, not the starts we want, but the most solid players. Let's at least expect WeHam make some good moves and Fultz, Gordon keep evolving theirs games to make this tame at least a enjoyable to watch.

I really don't expect too see great changes to our roster next season, unfortunately.

thats kind of how i feel. if you arent going to tear it down and rebuild, dont make a move just to make a move. really go in, not to the detriment of the future, but add more shooting add playmakers, we need both of those.