tiderulz wrote:pepe1991 wrote:MagicMatic wrote:The problem with Bamba is Vuc and the roster. If they picked him because they were playing the long game, then they should have taken MPJr (even injured) due to the fact he was heralded as equal to Doncic in potential. Now people are surprised he’s playing well?
In what world do you spend the #6 pick on a complete project that plays the same limited position as your highest usage % player? Dumb. I’m not even going to get into subsequently resigning Vuc.
That being said, I don’t think Bamba is a bust. He’s fully capable of
eventually becoming a starting level Center. Mostly because the bar is low IMO for the position and level of importance. Still, taking a Center with that pick in our situation was beyond stupid.
Problem with Bamba is fact that he isn't that good on his own.
Bamba would get 20 min a game if he is good enough, but on average , he doesn't even get all backup Cs min because Birch brings more energy, where Bamba is letargic and looks uninterested.
They took Bamba because they thought he is better and once they saw how raw he is, during Vučević breakout year, decision wasn't that hard.
Same happend with Biyombo and Vuc. Once they saw Biyombo is at very best, 15 min a game backup, unplayable as starter, (actually unplayable in general ) it was already too late and money was spent. In Bamba's case it's pick that was wasted.
Some of us repeat for long time that drafting C in lottery is simply waste. Just like most 6'7-6'9 college PFs , drafted to play SF almost never work. ( Winslow, Beasley, RHJ, Stanley Johnson, Turner, Shabazz Muhamed, Derrick Williams...).
Is he a bust? well he avages 5 points a game on below .500 team. That's very close to that title.
There are also guys drafted after him ,simply better than him like SGA, Porter Jr, Carter Jr, and i don't care how empty his stats are, Collin Sexton simply is more productive today, sad part is fact that 6'0 PG who is younger than him, actually shoots with bettter efficiency than 7 foot Bamba

i cant call him a bust until he gets more of a chance with playing time.
Some players never get playing time because they suck.
Thon Maker never averaged more than 16 min a game because he never outplayed anybody for starter job, nor earn trust of his coaches to be trusted in bigger role.
And if you think that Bamba is young and has years to develop, well Maker is only year older.
Other than advanced stats who are almost all product of changed bench around him ( mainly no nba bodies like Briscoe, Grant and Martin being replaced by DJ Augustin who he spends most min with ) there is vritually no objective growth in Bamba's game from year one to year two.
He went from averaging 6,2 points a game on 52,5% eFG to 5,4 ppg on 52,6% eFG, given he played 2 min per game in year two less, his FG% also got worst, his blocks got bit better, his rebounds are unchanged, his passing , fouling and turnovers are unchanged.
This is not progressive improvment, this is player who over two years never showed any significant progress other than going from terrible ft shoots ( 58%) to now being below average one ( 67%) in both cases doesn't really matter because he shot 109 FTs in 109 games.
Same with 3 point shot where he improved his percentage, but once again, it doesn't raelly matter as he only took 177 threes over two years and some numbers point that it's impossible to know how good somebody is as shooter until we don't go over 500 shots for sample size.
People who argue for Bamba pretty much base everything they have on blind faith, because there is nothing really to objectify it. Or they use benefit of a doubt and roll with "not seen enough" . Well we heared a lot about same argument for Hezonja. How did that worked out?
The thing is, you have second year lottery pick that menagment is perfectly fine buring on the bench. Witch makes me think they don't really put too much hope he can be some franchize altering guy, rather another Malik Monk type of overdrafted player they just have to keep around and hope somebody is willing to take off their hands.
There is portion of people here who keep Vuc and Evan on superstars expetations and in same time say value of 6th pick is to become eventual starter at C. How is that not double standards?
NBA position at center has guys like McGee and Jeff Green starting during playoff games and guys like Cody Zeller, Alex Len, Powell, WSC and Tristan Thompson starting. This is not "bar" that should be that high to jump . It's actually depressing how mediocre you have to not be rotation center in today's nba. Bar is so low that even Biyombo still gets PT and gets to start from time to time. Same BIyombo few years back was worst than Mo Speights for us

When you put it all together it's really not that hard to figure 2 things:
a) drafting him was disaster
b) he has been disaster and has nobody but himself to blame for it
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