Who would you prefer: Jon Issac or John Collins

[King Ken]

When healthy Isaac is just massively bigger than Collins. He's 6'9" with a 6'11" wingspan that can't play SF. Isaac is 6'11" with a 7'6" wingspan that can play SF.

By the way the guy that started this thread thinks Atlanta can go 52-20 this year.


https://www.nba.com/magic/news/strong-bond-already-forming-between-isaac-and-bamba-20180704#:~:text=Bamba has the longest wingspan,-foot-1 in height.


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Not sure why my optimistic projection is being brought up in this thread. I haven't added any opinion of either player on any of the threads I've created on this topic. Let's stick to the thread and stick less to ish posting, please.

I created this thread, the one on the Hawks board, and the one in the PC board to see how others see JC/Issac. I know how I see them and I get bashed from the Hawks fanbase for it. That said, I did want to bring this up with both fanbases and I am surprised how good the quality of posting is here outside of yourself of course

I think this thread shows that more Magic fans are more split on this topic (55/45 Issac) than many Hawk fans where it's 95 to 5 JC over Issac and when you include injury, 99 to 1 JC over Issac. I might be the only one in the Issac boat that doesn't work for the organization or on a professional level.

Ultimately, I think tiderulz opinion is the norm for Hawk fans on this subject. This version of Issac that you talk about just hasn't shown itself to many Hawk fans and they really don't think he's that good. I watch a lot of Basketball on LP, while the Magic isn't one of my top 10 teams, they play on the East, are in the SE div and they are the Hawks rival so I would say I watched about 50-55% of their games and at least 65% when Issac plays as I like him and Bamba.

For me, I would clearly say my opinion is more in line with Xatticus on this topic. It's tough because Hawk fans cannot see my viewpoint and it's good to see when people who you feel have a certain level of Basketball intellect see what you see. If you are the only person that sees it. Generally speaking, no one is watching or you are saying some stupid ish. Like saying LeBron James is trash or Trae Young is trash is saying some stupid ish.

[basketballRob]

When healthy Isaac is just massively bigger than Collins. He's 6'9" with a 6'11" wingspan that can't play SF. Isaac is 6'11" with a 7'6" wingspan that can play SF.

By the way the guy that started this thread thinks Atlanta can go 52-20 this year.


https://www.nba.com/magic/news/strong-bond-already-forming-between-isaac-and-bamba-20180704#:~:text=Bamba has the longest wingspan,-foot-1 in height.


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Not sure why my optimistic projection is being brought up in this thread. I haven't added any opinion of either player on any of the threads I've created on this topic. Let's stick to the thread and stick less to ish posting, please.

I created this thread, the one on the Hawks board, and the one in the PC board to see how others see JC/Issac. I know how I see them and I get bashed from the Hawks fanbase for it. That said, I did want to bring this up with both fanbases and I am surprised how good the quality of posting is here outside of yourself of course

I think this thread shows that more Magic fans are more split on this topic (55/45 Issac) than many Hawk fans where it's 95 to 5 JC over Issac and when you include injury, 99 to 1 JC over Issac. I might be the only one in the Issac boat that doesn't work for the organization or on a professional level.

Ultimately, I think tiderulz opinion is the norm for Hawk fans on this subject. This version of Issac that you talk about just hasn't shown itself to many Hawk fans and they really don't think he's that good. I watch a lot of Basketball on LP, while the Magic isn't one of my top 10 teams, they play on the East, are in the SE div and they are the Hawks rival so I would say I watched about 50-55% of their games and at least 65% when Issac plays as I like him and Bamba.

For me, I would clearly say my opinion is more in line with Xatticus on this topic. It's tough because Hawk fans cannot see my viewpoint and it's good to see when people who you feel have a certain level of Basketball intellect see what you see. If you are the only person that sees it. Generally speaking, no one is watching or you are saying some stupid ish. Like saying LeBron James is trash or Trae Young is trash is saying some stupid ish.

I was making the point that some fans are bias in opinions. Obviously you would prefer Collins, because you very bias based on your 52-20 optimistic projection of your team. You also posted this on the player comparison board and the random non bias fan appeared to prefer Isaac.





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[King Ken]

When healthy Isaac is just massively bigger than Collins. He's 6'9" with a 6'11" wingspan that can't play SF. Isaac is 6'11" with a 7'6" wingspan that can play SF.

By the way the guy that started this thread thinks Atlanta can go 52-20 this year.


https://www.nba.com/magic/news/strong-bond-already-forming-between-isaac-and-bamba-20180704#:~:text=Bamba has the longest wingspan,-foot-1 in height.


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Not sure why my optimistic projection is being brought up in this thread. I haven't added any opinion of either player on any of the threads I've created on this topic. Let's stick to the thread and stick less to ish posting, please.

I created this thread, the one on the Hawks board, and the one in the PC board to see how others see JC/Issac. I know how I see them and I get bashed from the Hawks fanbase for it. That said, I did want to bring this up with both fanbases and I am surprised how good the quality of posting is here outside of yourself of course

I think this thread shows that more Magic fans are more split on this topic (55/45 Issac) than many Hawk fans where it's 95 to 5 JC over Issac and when you include injury, 99 to 1 JC over Issac. I might be the only one in the Issac boat that doesn't work for the organization or on a professional level.

Ultimately, I think tiderulz opinion is the norm for Hawk fans on this subject. This version of Issac that you talk about just hasn't shown itself to many Hawk fans and they really don't think he's that good. I watch a lot of Basketball on LP, while the Magic isn't one of my top 10 teams, they play on the East, are in the SE div and they are the Hawks rival so I would say I watched about 50-55% of their games and at least 65% when Issac plays as I like him and Bamba.

For me, I would clearly say my opinion is more in line with Xatticus on this topic. It's tough because Hawk fans cannot see my viewpoint and it's good to see when people who you feel have a certain level of Basketball intellect see what you see. If you are the only person that sees it. Generally speaking, no one is watching or you are saying some stupid ish. Like saying LeBron James is trash or Trae Young is trash is saying some stupid ish.

I was making the point that some are bias in opinions. Obviously you would prefer Collins, because you very bias based on your 52-20 optimistic projection of your team. You also posted this on the player comparison board and the random non bias fan appeared to prefer Isaac.





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This guy ya'll. In the Hawk fanbase, we have a poster like this that's not of any quality as well. He doesn't post on here but he posts on our other board and his reading comprehension is piss poor, most of his posts are one-star posts and he's a low BBIQ poster too with a loud opinion. Every fanbase has at least one.

[basketballRob]

Not sure why my optimistic projection is being brought up in this thread. I haven't added any opinion of either player on any of the threads I've created on this topic. Let's stick to the thread and stick less to ish posting, please.

I created this thread, the one on the Hawks board, and the one in the PC board to see how others see JC/Issac. I know how I see them and I get bashed from the Hawks fanbase for it. That said, I did want to bring this up with both fanbases and I am surprised how good the quality of posting is here outside of yourself of course

I think this thread shows that more Magic fans are more split on this topic (55/45 Issac) than many Hawk fans where it's 95 to 5 JC over Issac and when you include injury, 99 to 1 JC over Issac. I might be the only one in the Issac boat that doesn't work for the organization or on a professional level.

Ultimately, I think tiderulz opinion is the norm for Hawk fans on this subject. This version of Issac that you talk about just hasn't shown itself to many Hawk fans and they really don't think he's that good. I watch a lot of Basketball on LP, while the Magic isn't one of my top 10 teams, they play on the East, are in the SE div and they are the Hawks rival so I would say I watched about 50-55% of their games and at least 65% when Issac plays as I like him and Bamba.

For me, I would clearly say my opinion is more in line with Xatticus on this topic. It's tough because Hawk fans cannot see my viewpoint and it's good to see when people who you feel have a certain level of Basketball intellect see what you see. If you are the only person that sees it. Generally speaking, no one is watching or you are saying some stupid ish. Like saying LeBron James is trash or Trae Young is trash is saying some stupid ish.

I was making the point that some are bias in opinions. Obviously you would prefer Collins, because you very bias based on your 52-20 optimistic projection of your team. You also posted this on the player comparison board and the random non bias fan appeared to prefer Isaac.





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This guy ya'll. In the Hawk fanbase, we have a poster like this that's not of any quality as well. He doesn't post on here but he posts on our other board and his reading comprehension is piss poor, most of his posts are one-star posts and he's a low BBIQ poster too with a loud opinion. Every fanbase has at least one.

Some posters prefer offense and some defense. The fans that just look at offensive stats would like Collins. If you prefer defense you'd go with Isaac. I prefer defense and Collins is a god awful defender.

You're right i did assume you were trying to argue, coming here and comparing your healthy player with our injured one. Sorry about that and i didn't completely read your post.









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[Mcgregory]

both options are good

[ARandomStranger]

Every time the two have played each other Isaac has been the superior player. So...Isaac.

[jonbob17]

When healthy Isaac is just massively bigger than Collins. He's 6'9" with a 6'11" wingspan that can't play SF. Isaac is 6'11" with a 7'6" wingspan that can play SF.

By the way the guy that started this thread thinks Atlanta can go 52-20 this year.


https://www.nba.com/magic/news/strong-bond-already-forming-between-isaac-and-bamba-20180704#:~:text=Bamba has the longest wingspan,-foot-1 in height.


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Not sure why my optimistic projection is being brought up in this thread. I haven't added any opinion of either player on any of the threads I've created on this topic. Let's stick to the thread and stick less to ish posting, please.

I created this thread, the one on the Hawks board, and the one in the PC board to see how others see JC/Issac. I know how I see them and I get bashed from the Hawks fanbase for it. That said, I did want to bring this up with both fanbases and I am surprised how good the quality of posting is here outside of yourself of course

I think this thread shows that more Magic fans are more split on this topic (55/45 Issac) than many Hawk fans where it's 95 to 5 JC over Issac and when you include injury, 99 to 1 JC over Issac. I might be the only one in the Issac boat that doesn't work for the organization or on a professional level.

Ultimately, I think tiderulz opinion is the norm for Hawk fans on this subject. This version of Issac that you talk about just hasn't shown itself to many Hawk fans and they really don't think he's that good. I watch a lot of Basketball on LP, while the Magic isn't one of my top 10 teams, they play on the East, are in the SE div and they are the Hawks rival so I would say I watched about 50-55% of their games and at least 65% when Issac plays as I like him and Bamba.

For me, I would clearly say my opinion is more in line with Xatticus on this topic. It's tough because Hawk fans cannot see my viewpoint and it's good to see when people who you feel have a certain level of Basketball intellect see what you see. If you are the only person that sees it. Generally speaking, no one is watching or you are saying some stupid ish. Like saying LeBron James is trash or Trae Young is trash is saying some stupid ish.

What are the odds the Hawks re-sign Collins? Seems like all the additions signal otherwise. Really looking forward to seeing how Okongwu fits the puzzle. I would think Collins would bring something back in a trade. Just can't see how a (near)max salary for collins helps the construct of the team.

[basketballRob]

When healthy Isaac is just massively bigger than Collins. He's 6'9" with a 6'11" wingspan that can't play SF. Isaac is 6'11" with a 7'6" wingspan that can play SF.

By the way the guy that started this thread thinks Atlanta can go 52-20 this year.


https://www.nba.com/magic/news/strong-bond-already-forming-between-isaac-and-bamba-20180704#:~:text=Bamba has the longest wingspan,-foot-1 in height.


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Not sure why my optimistic projection is being brought up in this thread. I haven't added any opinion of either player on any of the threads I've created on this topic. Let's stick to the thread and stick less to ish posting, please.

I created this thread, the one on the Hawks board, and the one in the PC board to see how others see JC/Issac. I know how I see them and I get bashed from the Hawks fanbase for it. That said, I did want to bring this up with both fanbases and I am surprised how good the quality of posting is here outside of yourself of course

I think this thread shows that more Magic fans are more split on this topic (55/45 Issac) than many Hawk fans where it's 95 to 5 JC over Issac and when you include injury, 99 to 1 JC over Issac. I might be the only one in the Issac boat that doesn't work for the organization or on a professional level.

Ultimately, I think tiderulz opinion is the norm for Hawk fans on this subject. This version of Issac that you talk about just hasn't shown itself to many Hawk fans and they really don't think he's that good. I watch a lot of Basketball on LP, while the Magic isn't one of my top 10 teams, they play on the East, are in the SE div and they are the Hawks rival so I would say I watched about 50-55% of their games and at least 65% when Issac plays as I like him and Bamba.

For me, I would clearly say my opinion is more in line with Xatticus on this topic. It's tough because Hawk fans cannot see my viewpoint and it's good to see when people who you feel have a certain level of Basketball intellect see what you see. If you are the only person that sees it. Generally speaking, no one is watching or you are saying some stupid ish. Like saying LeBron James is trash or Trae Young is trash is saying some stupid ish.

What are the odds the Hawks re-sign Collins? Seems like all the additions signal otherwise. Really looking forward to seeing how Okongwu fits the puzzle. I would think Collins would bring something back in a trade. Just can't see how a (near)max salary for collins helps the construct of the team.

When's the last time a dominant offensive pf, that didn't have enough length to be a good defender, won a championship? I know Love rode Kyle and Lebron's coattails.

The truth is that it's better to have average offense and excellent defense.

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[pepe1991]

Not sure why my optimistic projection is being brought up in this thread. I haven't added any opinion of either player on any of the threads I've created on this topic. Let's stick to the thread and stick less to ish posting, please.

I created this thread, the one on the Hawks board, and the one in the PC board to see how others see JC/Issac. I know how I see them and I get bashed from the Hawks fanbase for it. That said, I did want to bring this up with both fanbases and I am surprised how good the quality of posting is here outside of yourself of course

I think this thread shows that more Magic fans are more split on this topic (55/45 Issac) than many Hawk fans where it's 95 to 5 JC over Issac and when you include injury, 99 to 1 JC over Issac. I might be the only one in the Issac boat that doesn't work for the organization or on a professional level.

Ultimately, I think tiderulz opinion is the norm for Hawk fans on this subject. This version of Issac that you talk about just hasn't shown itself to many Hawk fans and they really don't think he's that good. I watch a lot of Basketball on LP, while the Magic isn't one of my top 10 teams, they play on the East, are in the SE div and they are the Hawks rival so I would say I watched about 50-55% of their games and at least 65% when Issac plays as I like him and Bamba.

For me, I would clearly say my opinion is more in line with Xatticus on this topic. It's tough because Hawk fans cannot see my viewpoint and it's good to see when people who you feel have a certain level of Basketball intellect see what you see. If you are the only person that sees it. Generally speaking, no one is watching or you are saying some stupid ish. Like saying LeBron James is trash or Trae Young is trash is saying some stupid ish.

What are the odds the Hawks re-sign Collins? Seems like all the additions signal otherwise. Really looking forward to seeing how Okongwu fits the puzzle. I would think Collins would bring something back in a trade. Just can't see how a (near)max salary for collins helps the construct of the team.

When's the last time a dominant offensive pf, that didn't have enough length to be a good defender, won a championship? I know Love rode Kyle and Lebron's coattails.

The truth is that it's better to have average offense and excellent defense.

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hahaahahahahhhahahahaha

Really?



how about this guy


Let's try with this guy




Some narratives are hillarious. Where Isaac's mold of player fits sucess? Defensive minded , rim protecting from weak side, switchable on defense, but no body for play center fits ? No offense KG? No offense AD? But both played centers in their career, Isaac can't. Useful, sure, perfect? Ehh... that's 4th best player on championship team assuming other guys are elite offensive players. But by same logic you can get away with Danny Green and JR Smith as 4th best players, if first options are great.
Who was 3rd best player for Lakers this year ? Nobody cares.

Isaac in theory could be defensive anchor on team with some Lillard- Doncic offensive superpower. But if you give him anything close to max contract he is defacto second best player without any ability to contribute in significant way on 50% of basketball court with anything other than catch&shoot and some pick&pops. That's very, very limiting role especially if you know you still have C position to fill with somebody that fits his game.

[basketballRob]

What are the odds the Hawks re-sign Collins? Seems like all the additions signal otherwise. Really looking forward to seeing how Okongwu fits the puzzle. I would think Collins would bring something back in a trade. Just can't see how a (near)max salary for collins helps the construct of the team.

When's the last time a dominant offensive pf, that didn't have enough length to be a good defender, won a championship? I know Love rode Kyle and Lebron's coattails.

The truth is that it's better to have average offense and excellent defense.

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hahaahahahahhhahahahaha

Really?



how about this guy


Let's try with this guy




Some narratives are hillarious. Where Isaac's mold of player fits sucess? Defensive minded , rim protecting from weak side, switchable on defense, but no body for play center fits ? No offense KG? No offense AD? But both played centers in their career, Isaac can't. Useful, sure, perfect? Ehh... that's 4th best player on championship team assuming other guys are elite offensive players. But by same logic you can get away with Danny Green and JR Smith as 4th best players, if first options are great.
Who was 3rd best player for Lakers this year ? Nobody cares.

Isaac in theory could be defensive anchor on team with some Lillard- Doncic offensive superpower. But if you give him anything close to max contract he is defacto second best player without any ability to contribute in significant way on 50% of basketball court with anything other than catch&shoot and some pick&pops. That's very, very limiting role especially if you know you still have C position to fill with somebody that fits his game.

Larry bird was a small forward and Nowitzki had a 7'4" wingspan.

Collins is more in the mold of a Blake Griffin. Good regular season players.

Got any good examples?

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[basketballRob]

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[Last Guardian]

If we are ignoring health concerns then Isaac every single time. He is a DPOY level impact defender and he can provide some offense as well.

And did someone really insinuate Rasheed Wallace was a bad defender in this thread? Oh boy