Cole World: Orlando Magic Select Cole Anthony at #15

[yoyojw17]

I, for one, have not noticed in any glaring defensive issues with Anthony other than he can only guard one position. He competes, he generally is in the right spots, he doesn't give up on plays, and is fighting through screens. And yes, I like that he attacks the glass. Even when switched on to a bigger defender, he's at least trying to make it tough. If there's one thing Clifford will do for Anthony it's making sure he learns to play defense in the NBA.

Luckily, his efficiency is coming around. He's accurate in catch and shoot situations where he has time. He's a good shooter. He's cutting out those ill-advised shots off the dribble. His game has become shots at the rim or open C&S 3's. And that's perfect for a guy in his role.

He's not going to be a guy that becomes a lead playmaker. That was never in his game. And with Vucevic, Fournier, and Gordon, Clifford won't task him with that. I think that's the next step for him. He'll never be a Doncic-level visionary, but he'll have to get to a place where he knows how to play out of a pick n' roll and make good decisions. He has been a pretty selfless passer. I know there was this fear that he'd come in and be a chucker (see Anthony Edwards). But, I think the veterans and Clifford have held him accountable. Which is good in his case.

You just want to see growth and improvement over the course of a rookie year. Especially this one as chaotic as it is. Anthony is coachable and a guy who wants to buy in to win games. He's got a great attitude. The fact that he's cutting out some of those terrible shot attempts, trying his best on defense, not chucking every chance he gets tells me he's paying attention to the film sessions and listening to his coaches. Hopefully he maintains a steady course of improvement.

I think his next step is learning to finish at the rim. The encouraging thing is that he's able to get to the rim. He's so quick and athletic. I'm optimistic that he'll get better. But, like passing and becoming a playmaker, I think those are things he'll have to work on extensively in the off-season. He'll need to go to the Kyrie Irving School of Lay-Ups.

Going from game to game... you can see him maturing... and that is all that matters to me. Actually this last stretch of games he's shifted it down a gear or two and not trying to prove himself to anyone... which was shooting himself in the foot. I personally love the trajectory i'm seeing... and come end of year... i think this discussion might be put to rest.

[MaKiaVeLi7]

How about that crazy karate chop Predator-style by Cole?

Cole was pissed off after a questionable charging call right before that and lost his cool. However, Cody Zeller is pretty annoying to play against and he seems to always play with extra motivation against us. he set a number of dirty screens in the game and Cole was probably fed up with that. Not saying that Cole should do this all the time, but we need motivated hustlers on the floor.

Here's my video edit of the whole sequence yesterday. Really floored Cody with that Bruce Lee karate-kungfu chop.

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Glad to see someone besides MCW (occasionally) gives a damn about what happens and plays with high-octane emotion and fire in his veins.
The Magic desperately needs guys that hustle and don't take bull*** from anyone, be it opponents or refs.

The last players we had that were so fired up, probably Pietrus (sometimes), Bo Outlaw (always hustling all around the floor) and Darrell Armstrong (in a good way).

I really do believe every NBA team needs at least 1 or 2 of those type of players who have a bit of Rasheed Wallace, Ben Wallace, Ron Artest in them. And Cole Anthony is shaping out to be our "villain" and Predator.

I love cheering for hustle players and Cole was correctly advertised as such. He lives up to his fame so far.

Refs seem to single out Cole almost every night and call him for some crazy non-existing fouls. It's becoming a trend now. Refs are not good in the early season so far, so many games they were terrible.

[MaKiaVeLi7]

Anthony reminds Aaron Gordon a little. Not a natural basketball talent, but selfmade player.
Cole is more fluid of an athlete, and with better eye- hand coordination while Gordon is bigger and quicker decision maker ( sometimes to his own detriment).
I believe there are 2 types of successful playmakers in the nba( or mix). Instinct passers ( Doncic, Ball, Young), and learned reads passers ( Lillard, Curry). Second type of passers need more type to learn from watching the film. according to Clifford, Cole is willing to do that so we must wait and see.

I tend to agree. If Cole gets to Chauncey Billups type of playmaking and passing ability level, Id' be more than happy.

But you never know with those players coming out of a 1-and-done college career. They might fade away in the league after 2-3 years, or they might take some time to develop and explode after the second or third year. Missing out on the opportunity to have a true developmental process and learning experience for 3 or 4 college basketball years really hurts some of the young NBA talents.

And NO, they-re not a finished pre-packaged product once they enter the league at the age of 19-20. That's just ridiculous.

[Def Swami]

The sheer fact that Cole is showing the ability/willingness to take and make open 3's would lead me to want to move ahead with him over Fultz. I'd still be looking to draft our PG of the future in the upcoming draft, but it's encouraging that Cole is improving and he can hopefully be a consistent rotational player for us going forward.

This is probably an unpopular opinion, but I feel the same way.

A player has to be incredibly good at multiple other things if he is a bad/unwilling shooter and much as I like Fultz, he's just not incredibly good at anything else. He's pretty good at a lot of other things, but not so good that it makes up for his lack of shooting.

I don't know if Anthony has the passing or vision to be a good starting point guard moving forward, but he does at least appear to be a guy who is willing to take and has the ability to make shots from the perimeter and give effort defensively which are both things you can work with.

*eyes emoji*

Anthony's 10 games as starter: 12.9 ppg, 4.3 rpg, 3.3 apg, 0.9 spg, 0.5 bpg, 41.2/41.5/73.7
Fultz's 8 games as starter: 12.9 ppg, 3.1 rpg, 5.4 apg, 1.0 spg, 0.3 bpg, 39.4/25.0/89.5

You'd assume Fultz's FG% would have improved over the year (he shot 46.5% overall last season). He's a much better finisher. But, I'm not sure how much his finishing matters against the better defenses in the league that just play him for the drive every time. It's just so hard to play on the perimeter and not be able to confidently shoot.

When the Magic drafted Anthony, I thought one of the pros was that he is kind of an insurance policy for if Fultz never pans out. Not that Anthony is the long term solution to the point guard conundrum. But, he's someone who could be a more fitting placeholder. He's the baby DJ Augustin.

I also like Fultz a lot. He's great at everything except that one vital skill. I still would have held off on a Fultz extension until he proved he could play up to his contract after for a full season. I'd have gladly paid him more than the $17 mill/year if he proved he was worth it.

[penny_nz]

Personally (as an irrational optimist, even after all these years) I was hopeful for Cole coming into the year as an offensive minded project, and through the first 10 games I saw things that were concerning. Loved his hustle, his attitude, not bothered by the big stage, but his efficiency was poor. His drives and floaters never looked under control and his shot, although looking smooth, was up and down.

However have others have pointed out, the way he's responded since Fultz went down, the benefits of extra minutes may have been a blessing in disguise in the long run. I think he's improved massively, instead of the floaters he's trying to finish his drives with layups. Couple more years in the league he'll start getting a lot more calls for the contact he gets. Also it looks like by dropping the floaters and that game winner, he's started to settle down on his outside shot. He looks like he has all the mechanics (if he keeps good shot selection) to be a good outside shooter.

I also don't get the criticism of his playmaking, I think he's made some fantastic reads and shown he can see the floor, if we had players who could hit an open outside shot I'm sure his numbers would reflect that.

All in all, we all need to live with the ups and downs and see where he gets to at year end. But I'm still optimistic about him.

[yoyojw17]

Personally (as an irrational optimist, even after all these years) I was hopeful for Cole coming into the year as an offensive minded project, and through the first 10 games I saw things that were concerning. Loved his hustle, his attitude, not bothered by the big stage, but his efficiency was poor. His drives and floaters never looked under control and his shot, although looking smooth, was up and down.

However have others have pointed out, the way he's responded since Fultz went down, the benefits of extra minutes may have been a blessing in disguise in the long run. I think he's improved massively, instead of the floaters he's trying to finish his drives with layups. Couple more years in the league he'll start getting a lot more calls for the contact he gets. Also it looks like by dropping the floaters and that game winner, he's started to settle down on his outside shot. He looks like he has all the mechanics (if he keeps good shot selection) to be a good outside shooter.

I also don't get the criticism of his playmaking, I think he's made some fantastic reads and shown he can see the floor, if we had players who could hit an open outside shot I'm sure his numbers would reflect that.

All in all, we all need to live with the ups and downs and see where he gets to at year end. But I'm still optimistic about him.

I'm not worried by his numbers either... I feel that it is by plan to not make him have to take handle the ball as much. Same way they did with fultz last year. AG, Fournier and Vuc will see the brunt of it all and allow cole to acclimate himself even more. I can't wait to see what he looks like by the end of this season.

[pepe1991]

Let's put it this way. In order to be elite team, Magic need point guard. And that player is probably yet in highschool or at college or playing for another team. Most definitely isn't on current Magic roster.

[pepe1991]

Hey hey, cherrypicking, sweet sweet cherrypicking.

How many drafted out of the top 10?

Tyle Herro didn't dominate anyone. He had good to excellent games later in his rookie season and bubble playoffs. I don't see a reason Cole won't surpass him. Also Herro benefited immensely from playing on the Heat team that moved the ball very well and Heat's game emphasized the 3-pt shooting - we don't have that.
13.5 PPG 4.1 RPG 2.2 APG 0.2 BPG 0.6 SPG 1.6 TOPG 38.9% from 3 and 42.8% FG

Colin Sexton didn't dominate in his rookie season like you make it out to be.
16.7 PPG 2.9 RPG 3.0 APG 0.1 BPG 0.5 SPG 2.3 TOPG 40.2% from 3 and 43.0% FG
Sexton had a lot of struggles on the offensive end and still has, although he has shown some significant improvement AFTER his rookie season, which is totally understandable and to be expected. You tend to forget he is in his 3rd season now, not 18 games in without any preparation for the pandemic season like Cole.

Malcolm Brogdon didn't dominate anyone in his rookie Bucks season as well.
10.2 PPG 2.8 RPG 4.2 APG 0.2 BPG 1.1 SPG 1.5 TOPG 40.4% from 3 and 45.7% FG
He was a good, all-around player, great defender and surprised many with his Rookie of the Year award. he continued to improve what young players tend to do and Pepe cannot accept or even try to understand. Brogdon is turning out to be an above-average guard and a valuable player.

Coby White - another bad comparison and unsuccessful cherrypicking example. Coby is playing on a terrible Bulls team that would only inflate his stats and they are not so impressive.
13.2 PPG 3.5 RPG 2.7 APG 0.1 BPG 0.8 SPG 1.7 TOPG 35.4% from 3 39.4% FG

Looking again at the percentages, Cole is already at that level in his last games and he can only improve. If that's the bar, we got a steal with the 15th pick, people tend to forget he was not top3.

I bet Cole will have better numbers at the end of his rookie season compared to the rookie campaigns of the players above, keeping in mind he was put in a worse position to succeed.

Also the other names from the list are all great players and most of them were taken in the top of their respective drafts. I'm glad you are put in the corner Pepe and you start comparing the "bust" and "ineffective" "chucker" Cole Anthony with those great players, only to prove your point that he's not on that level or will ever be. Guy is clearly improving and does not need your constant trolling and fake fan support which equals hate.

Pepe, support the team and the Magic players or just don't bother. I really cannot understand the negative motivation of some people that follow sports teams to only hate on them without being able to feel any joy.

Yet each and every single one of them was superior compared to:
11 ppg, 36,9% FG of Cole Anthony, by widest margin in history.

Also, dude, take a chil pill, it's not that personal, if you want argue me, send me personal message ,this is getting boring.

Cole Anthony is innefective chucker, and you will be once again hiding after string of 3,4 terrible games that are probably comming in near future. But again, i don't take any of this too personal to care.
I like how much you bark now, but you were nowhere to be found after Knicks game , after Bucks game or against Pacers game. So in fashion of a troll you are, you come from cave every once in a while to bark. But like Skin's favorite players you are more of a chivava than pitbull.

[basketballRob]

Soo, i see you skipped therapy again.
It takes special type of personality to only post anything once every 3 weeks when player you like plays well, and go back to hiding in between games, just to "adress haters"after 1 or 2 good games.

Cole looked like nba player against 180 cm ( at most) Devonte Graham, shees, didn't see that comming

Anthony stat line 18 games into a season
11ppg
3,3 apg
36,9% FG
33,9% for 3
46,7% TS

tell me more how amazing he is based on 2 games sample size you cherrypicked and waited for 18 games to come back from hidings?

Go ahead, keep making monkey of yourself, talking about " not playing at pro level" , sorry Bodiroga/Diamantidis, i didn't notice it was you, tell us more about your proffesional basketball career... ofc i probably overvalued you, since you probably don't even know who they were.

It's not 1 or 2 games. Look at his last 6.
In those, he is over 60% from 3. and over 40% from the field.
Granted, he isn't keeping the 3s that high, but if he starts finishing better in traffic, his overall fg% will go up.

When you start to cherrypick numbers you get cluster*** of data that means something but also means nothing.
This is last 6 games scorerboard, you would think we have 3 allstars. Vuc 27 ppg 11 rpg 4 apg
Evan 22,5ppg, 6apg
Gordon 14-10-8



Than you figure they lost 4 of 6 games, offense is just clicking better and we, for first time in our history, made more than 11 threes in 3 games straight.

Problem is also who we played: Hornets twice ( not playoff team), Knicks ( not playoff team), T wolves ( the worst nba team), Indiana ( as injuried as us, inflating stats even more due OT ), and Brooklyn ( no Irving, first Harden's game , still lost ).

HOWEVER, if i did 10 instad of 6 games split, when Magic played Bucks ,Celtics and Dallas and Houston, things would get very ugly spin. As Magic lost ,at average by 20 points a game. .

So i find cherrypicking 6 just that, cherrypicking. Working with 18 games sample is already limiting, picking "good 6" is pointless. Just like picking bad 6 will be as pointless.

Somehow, despite already playing 18 games, we only played winning teams 4 times. Needless to say second part of our schedule, "tank " part, will be unintentional tanking regardless.
There is nothing about Cole that is new, or suprising compared what I , and many other said before draft and before we drafted him.
Too small, bad defender, short arms, gives effort, just does not have strenght, streaky- average shooter, gets no separation, poor playmaker. I really don't get what changed... Guy did score 21 points, good for him. Maxey scored 39. That's how nba works. Just give player amount of shots and he'll have some hot nights. Anfernee Simons scored 26, after being out of Blazers rotation for quite some time... Once again, it's nba. All this guys are more than capable of having huge nights, even rookies, Maxey already proved it.

Evan's stats don't count, because he hasn't played enough games.

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[MaKiaVeLi7]

Hey hey, cherrypicking, sweet sweet cherrypicking.

How many drafted out of the top 10?

Tyle Herro didn't dominate anyone. He had good to excellent games later in his rookie season and bubble playoffs. I don't see a reason Cole won't surpass him. Also Herro benefited immensely from playing on the Heat team that moved the ball very well and Heat's game emphasized the 3-pt shooting - we don't have that.
13.5 PPG 4.1 RPG 2.2 APG 0.2 BPG 0.6 SPG 1.6 TOPG 38.9% from 3 and 42.8% FG

Colin Sexton didn't dominate in his rookie season like you make it out to be.
16.7 PPG 2.9 RPG 3.0 APG 0.1 BPG 0.5 SPG 2.3 TOPG 40.2% from 3 and 43.0% FG
Sexton had a lot of struggles on the offensive end and still has, although he has shown some significant improvement AFTER his rookie season, which is totally understandable and to be expected. You tend to forget he is in his 3rd season now, not 18 games in without any preparation for the pandemic season like Cole.

Malcolm Brogdon didn't dominate anyone in his rookie Bucks season as well.
10.2 PPG 2.8 RPG 4.2 APG 0.2 BPG 1.1 SPG 1.5 TOPG 40.4% from 3 and 45.7% FG
He was a good, all-around player, great defender and surprised many with his Rookie of the Year award. he continued to improve what young players tend to do and Pepe cannot accept or even try to understand. Brogdon is turning out to be an above-average guard and a valuable player.

Coby White - another bad comparison and unsuccessful cherrypicking example. Coby is playing on a terrible Bulls team that would only inflate his stats and they are not so impressive.
13.2 PPG 3.5 RPG 2.7 APG 0.1 BPG 0.8 SPG 1.7 TOPG 35.4% from 3 39.4% FG

Looking again at the percentages, Cole is already at that level in his last games and he can only improve. If that's the bar, we got a steal with the 15th pick, people tend to forget he was not top3.

I bet Cole will have better numbers at the end of his rookie season compared to the rookie campaigns of the players above, keeping in mind he was put in a worse position to succeed.

Also the other names from the list are all great players and most of them were taken in the top of their respective drafts. I'm glad you are put in the corner Pepe and you start comparing the "bust" and "ineffective" "chucker" Cole Anthony with those great players, only to prove your point that he's not on that level or will ever be. Guy is clearly improving and does not need your constant trolling and fake fan support which equals hate.

Pepe, support the team and the Magic players or just don't bother. I really cannot understand the negative motivation of some people that follow sports teams to only hate on them without being able to feel any joy.

Yet each and every single one of them was superior compared to:
11 ppg, 36,9% FG of Cole Anthony, by widest margin in history.

Also, dude, take a chil pill, it's not that personal, if you want argue me, send me personal message ,this is getting boring.

Cole Anthony is innefective chucker, and you will be once again hiding after string of 3,4 terrible games that are probably comming in near future. But again, i don't take any of this too personal to care.
I like how much you bark now, but you were nowhere to be found after Knicks game , after Bucks game or against Pacers game. So in fashion of a troll you are, you come from cave every once in a while to bark. But like Skin's favorite players you are more of a chivava than pitbull.

Chill, chill out! These are complete season statistics (with regular offseason, training camp, summer league and pre-season games) vs. 18 games and 10 as a starter in a chaotic covid season. You get that?



And I really like the recurring "hiding" argument, makes my day every day

[pepe1991]

Hey hey, cherrypicking, sweet sweet cherrypicking.

How many drafted out of the top 10?

Tyle Herro didn't dominate anyone. He had good to excellent games later in his rookie season and bubble playoffs. I don't see a reason Cole won't surpass him. Also Herro benefited immensely from playing on the Heat team that moved the ball very well and Heat's game emphasized the 3-pt shooting - we don't have that.
13.5 PPG 4.1 RPG 2.2 APG 0.2 BPG 0.6 SPG 1.6 TOPG 38.9% from 3 and 42.8% FG

Colin Sexton didn't dominate in his rookie season like you make it out to be.
16.7 PPG 2.9 RPG 3.0 APG 0.1 BPG 0.5 SPG 2.3 TOPG 40.2% from 3 and 43.0% FG
Sexton had a lot of struggles on the offensive end and still has, although he has shown some significant improvement AFTER his rookie season, which is totally understandable and to be expected. You tend to forget he is in his 3rd season now, not 18 games in without any preparation for the pandemic season like Cole.

Malcolm Brogdon didn't dominate anyone in his rookie Bucks season as well.
10.2 PPG 2.8 RPG 4.2 APG 0.2 BPG 1.1 SPG 1.5 TOPG 40.4% from 3 and 45.7% FG
He was a good, all-around player, great defender and surprised many with his Rookie of the Year award. he continued to improve what young players tend to do and Pepe cannot accept or even try to understand. Brogdon is turning out to be an above-average guard and a valuable player.

Coby White - another bad comparison and unsuccessful cherrypicking example. Coby is playing on a terrible Bulls team that would only inflate his stats and they are not so impressive.
13.2 PPG 3.5 RPG 2.7 APG 0.1 BPG 0.8 SPG 1.7 TOPG 35.4% from 3 39.4% FG

Looking again at the percentages, Cole is already at that level in his last games and he can only improve. If that's the bar, we got a steal with the 15th pick, people tend to forget he was not top3.

I bet Cole will have better numbers at the end of his rookie season compared to the rookie campaigns of the players above, keeping in mind he was put in a worse position to succeed.

Also the other names from the list are all great players and most of them were taken in the top of their respective drafts. I'm glad you are put in the corner Pepe and you start comparing the "bust" and "ineffective" "chucker" Cole Anthony with those great players, only to prove your point that he's not on that level or will ever be. Guy is clearly improving and does not need your constant trolling and fake fan support which equals hate.

Pepe, support the team and the Magic players or just don't bother. I really cannot understand the negative motivation of some people that follow sports teams to only hate on them without being able to feel any joy.

Yet each and every single one of them was superior compared to:
11 ppg, 36,9% FG of Cole Anthony, by widest margin in history.

Also, dude, take a chil pill, it's not that personal, if you want argue me, send me personal message ,this is getting boring.

Cole Anthony is innefective chucker, and you will be once again hiding after string of 3,4 terrible games that are probably comming in near future. But again, i don't take any of this too personal to care.
I like how much you bark now, but you were nowhere to be found after Knicks game , after Bucks game or against Pacers game. So in fashion of a troll you are, you come from cave every once in a while to bark. But like Skin's favorite players you are more of a chivava than pitbull.

Chill, chill out! These are complete season statistics (with regular offseason, training camp, summer league and pre-season games) vs. 18 games and 10 as a starter in a chaotic covid season. You get that?



And I really like the recurring "hiding" argument, makes my day

Man, you have issues that go beyond basketball. This is second time in past 6 days when you are so fixated to make comments about me and my posts. it's unhealthy, i get you are groopy, DM me adress, i'll send you used pants

[MaKiaVeLi7]

Yet each and every single one of them was superior compared to:
11 ppg, 36,9% FG of Cole Anthony, by widest margin in history.

Also, dude, take a chil pill, it's not that personal, if you want argue me, send me personal message ,this is getting boring.

Cole Anthony is innefective chucker, and you will be once again hiding after string of 3,4 terrible games that are probably comming in near future. But again, i don't take any of this too personal to care.
I like how much you bark now, but you were nowhere to be found after Knicks game , after Bucks game or against Pacers game. So in fashion of a troll you are, you come from cave every once in a while to bark. But like Skin's favorite players you are more of a chivava than pitbull.

Chill, chill out! These are complete season statistics (with regular offseason, training camp, summer league and pre-season games) vs. 18 games and 10 as a starter in a chaotic covid season. You get that?



And I really like the recurring "hiding" argument, makes my day

Man, you have issues that go beyond basketball. This is second time in past 6 days when you are so fixated to make comments about me and my posts. it's unhealthy, i get you are groopy, DM me adress, i'll send you used pants

Well, you're the only stats troll on the board, why not have some fun with IT/HIM.

[KillMonger]

People tend to be a bit hyperbolic....it's just better imo to give him a full season and then assess where he's at....don't overreact to the bad performances and the good ones...what he's supposed to do in year 1 is show flashes.......i think he's doing that....do you?

[MaKiaVeLi7]

People tend to be a bit hyperbolic....it's just better imo to give him a full season and then assess where he's at....don't overreact to the bad performances and the good ones...what he's supposed to do in year 1 is show flashes.......i think he's doing that....do you?

Exactly!

This should not prevent us from comparing stats though, or getting excited with clear signs of improvement and maturing in 6-game or 10-game periods. Nothing wrong with that and it's not cherrypicking, it's absolutely real. Even having to express that feels kinda strange.

I love my team, I support the Magic and all players on the roster (Fournier is another question), it doesn't matter if they make me throw things at the wall from time to time. Being constantly negative and writing rookies off without even seeing them play is something I cannot get along with. Funny how some people have success in spinning all conversations in the forum around their negative perception of the team and set the negative trend. Just amazing!

At the end, what truly matters is how Cole Anthony manages his whole rookie season with all its ups & downs, dealing with injuries, load management, different matchups against top NBA PG talent, road trips, etc. It will show up after this chaotic season is over. And Cole still won't be a finished product, he's only 20 for god's sake. Hoping for the best, not for some Young player to fail in order to say: "I was right and my stats were correct, players X & Y are busts, told ya' so...". It's just not productive and the Magic team we love gains absolutely N-O-T-H-I-N-G hence we, the fans are screwed as well.

Discussing the games, the direction of the team and the young players' rise and evolution is what we need more of. Discussing that process and sharing opinions should be the main focus of this basketball forum, let's not turn it into a hate festival or trolling matchup.

[Skin]

How about that crazy karate chop Predator-style by Cole?

Cole was pissed off after a questionable charging call right before that and lost his cool. However, Cody Zeller is pretty annoying to play against and he seems to always play with extra motivation against us. he set a number of dirty screens in the game and Cole was probably fed up with that. Not saying that Cole should do this all the time, but we need motivated hustlers on the floor.

Here's my video edit of the whole sequence yesterday. Really floored Cody with that Bruce Lee karate-kungfu chop.

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Glad to see someone besides MCW (occasionally) gives a damn about what happens and plays with high-octane emotion and fire in his veins.
The Magic desperately needs guys that hustle and don't take bull*** from anyone, be it opponents or refs.

The last players we had that were so fired up, probably Pietrus (sometimes), Bo Outlaw (always hustling all around the floor) and Darrell Armstrong (in a good way).

I really do believe every NBA team needs at least 1 or 2 of those type of players who have a bit of Rasheed Wallace, Ben Wallace, Ron Artest in them. And Cole Anthony is shaping out to be our "villain" and Predator.

I love cheering for hustle players and Cole was correctly advertised as such. He lives up to his fame so far.

Refs seem to single out Cole almost every night and call him for some crazy non-existing fouls. It's becoming a trend now. Refs are not good in the early season so far, so many games they were terrible.

I fricken LOVE that hahahahahaha

[Skin]

Let's put it this way. In order to be elite team, Magic need point guard. And that player is probably yet in highschool or at college or playing for another team. Most definitely isn't on current Magic roster.

I dunno. It takes a long time for PGs to develop. It's not a position determined by size and athleticism, as much as it is mental and fine motor skills... coordination, speed, ball handling.

What I do know is that our SG and SF are definitely not here.

[RookieStar]

Guys chill. Despite me not liking Cole with the pick, Ive grown to like his attitude and approach to the game with us.

Also its waaaaay to early to judge if we have a good player at the 15th pick or not. Im gonna wait at the end of the season to go " i told you so" or " damn im wrong, we got a value pick for the 15th"

Its unfair for ALL rookies. This season they had no summer league, summer prep, camp etc etc. I mean look at DH when we drafted him and when he showed up at camp. That time really helps young scrawny rookies somewhat for the bump and grind they will experience.

[Skin]

Guys chill. Despite me not liking Cole with the pick, Ive grown to like his attitude and approach to the game with us.

Also its waaaaay to early to judge if we have a good player at the 15th pick or not. Im gonna wait at the end of the season to go " i told you so" or " damn im wrong, we got a value pick for the 15th"

Its unfair for ALL rookies. This season they had no summer league, summer prep, camp etc etc. I mean look at DH when we drafted him and when he showed up at camp. That time really helps young scrawny rookies somewhat for the bump and grind they will experience.

His attitude seems phony to me but as long as he's shooting 60% from 3 I can see past the other warts... which are still many. But right now he's the only guy on the Magic that has my interest. Everyone else playing are dead men walking in my eyes.

[pepe1991]

Let's put it this way. In order to be elite team, Magic need point guard. And that player is probably yet in highschool or at college or playing for another team. Most definitely isn't on current Magic roster.

I dunno. It takes a long time for PGs to develop. It's not a position determined by size and athleticism, as much as it is mental and fine motor skills... coordination, speed, ball handling.

What I do know is that our SG and SF are definitely not here.

Skin, man, tnx for all +1s if it's instagram i would thought you try to get inside my pants

[Skin]

Let's put it this way. In order to be elite team, Magic need point guard. And that player is probably yet in highschool or at college or playing for another team. Most definitely isn't on current Magic roster.

I dunno. It takes a long time for PGs to develop. It's not a position determined by size and athleticism, as much as it is mental and fine motor skills... coordination, speed, ball handling.

What I do know is that our SG and SF are definitely not here.

Skin, man, tnx for all +1s if it's instagram i would thought you try to get inside my pants

You and Makaveli were providing me with great entertainment. And1s were definitely deserved for both of you.