2020-2021 Regular Season Game 55: Orlando Magic (17-37) at Chicago Bulls (22-31)

[penny_nz]

I had no idea the Bulls were this terrible.

You should have watched them. The 3 wins were against teams missing there best players in that game, without they probably would sit on a 11 game losing streak

There PG play is atrocious, Vuc & Lavine (no surprise) are horrible on defense, both are horrible going to the line, Markkanen became a end of the foodchain roleplayer after the trade. Young who was there best player with Lavine, is marginized with Vuc, because he was there playmaking Center before the trade + The Coby White experience (Damn i hate watching this guy play basketball)
The best the Bulls looked since the trade was when Lavine & Vuc sat on the bench & a Young lead team with there best perimeter defenders were on the court. In that case there were mobile on defense, they forced turnovers & they run it down the court by every chance.

I just hope there pick doesnt go top 4. I dont care for the player we could pick but we need that pick this year to trade up in the draft

They look execlly how Suns looked before Chris Paul and how every poor nba team looks like who runs offense without nba level starter point gurad -including last 10 years of Orlando Magic.
PG is by far most important nba position, if your PG just happends to be 6'8 uberathelte than you are contender.

Since i joined forum i kept repeating same thing, you will never be competitive without lead guard. Ever. That guy does not need to be 25 ppg scorer, but it has to be smartest person on the court. Utah Jazz- added Conley- transformed team, Suns added CP3- transformed team, Nets without Harden = not very good, 76rs without Simmons = not very good, Warriors without Steph =worst team in basketball.

Coby White is bench player, said it to Knightro last year. People were pretending he is some next allstar type guy based on shotjacking during tail end of rookie year.

Couldn't agree more, it's why if BPA in the draft is PG you grab that person and deal with the logjam later

[Blue_and_Whte]

You should have watched them. The 3 wins were against teams missing there best players in that game, without they probably would sit on a 11 game losing streak

There PG play is atrocious, Vuc & Lavine (no surprise) are horrible on defense, both are horrible going to the line, Markkanen became a end of the foodchain roleplayer after the trade. Young who was there best player with Lavine, is marginized with Vuc, because he was there playmaking Center before the trade + The Coby White experience (Damn i hate watching this guy play basketball)
The best the Bulls looked since the trade was when Lavine & Vuc sat on the bench & a Young lead team with there best perimeter defenders were on the court. In that case there were mobile on defense, they forced turnovers & they run it down the court by every chance.

I just hope there pick doesnt go top 4. I dont care for the player we could pick but we need that pick this year to trade up in the draft

They look execlly how Suns looked before Chris Paul and how every poor nba team looks like who runs offense without nba level starter point gurad -including last 10 years of Orlando Magic.
PG is by far most important nba position, if your PG just happends to be 6'8 uberathelte than you are contender.

Since i joined forum i kept repeating same thing, you will never be competitive without lead guard. Ever. That guy does not need to be 25 ppg scorer, but it has to be smartest person on the court. Utah Jazz- added Conley- transformed team, Suns added CP3- transformed team, Nets without Harden = not very good, 76rs without Simmons = not very good, Warriors without Steph =worst team in basketball.

Coby White is bench player, said it to Knightro last year. People were pretending he is some next allstar type guy based on shotjacking during tail end of rookie year.

Couldn't agree more, it's why if BPA in the draft is PG you grab that person and deal with the logjam later

They do not need to mess with fit. Best player available even if it’s Mobley. You ship Bambas sorry ass and deal with WCJ. I prefer one of the wings but if it comes to a point where we’re deciding between Mobley and some other **** with long arms, no skill, who can’t stay healthy you pick Mobley all day long.

[tiderulz]

I had no idea the Bulls were this terrible.

You should have watched them. The 3 wins were against teams missing there best players in that game, without they probably would sit on a 11 game losing streak

There PG play is atrocious, Vuc & Lavine (no surprise) are horrible on defense, both are horrible going to the line, Markkanen became a end of the foodchain roleplayer after the trade. Young who was there best player with Lavine, is marginized with Vuc, because he was there playmaking Center before the trade + The Coby White experience (Damn i hate watching this guy play basketball)
The best the Bulls looked since the trade was when Lavine & Vuc sat on the bench & a Young lead team with there best perimeter defenders were on the court. In that case there were mobile on defense, they forced turnovers & they run it down the court by every chance.

I just hope there pick doesnt go top 4. I dont care for the player we could pick but we need that pick this year to trade up in the draft

They look execlly how Suns looked before Chris Paul and how every poor nba team looks like who runs offense without nba level starter point gurad -including last 10 years of Orlando Magic.
PG is by far most important nba position, if your PG just happends to be 6'8 uberathelte than you are contender.

Since i joined forum i kept repeating same thing, you will never be competitive without lead guard. Ever. That guy does not need to be 25 ppg scorer, but it has to be smartest person on the court. Utah Jazz- added Conley- transformed team, Suns added CP3- transformed team, Nets without Harden = not very good, 76rs without Simmons = not very good, Warriors without Steph =worst team in basketball.

Coby White is bench player, said it to Knightro last year. People were pretending he is some next allstar type guy based on shotjacking during tail end of rookie year.

the team has actually performed worse and went out earlier in playoffs than without Conley. They made it to 2 Semi's without him, last year they were out in first round. I do agree about needing a smart guard, but Conley is a bit overrated and also cannot stay healthy. And we cant really judge the Nets team, as they pushed all their chips in with Durant and Irving and then got Harden on a steal, but have had to deal with health issues.

[MagicStarwipe]

Stop it. Pepe is the one and ONLY poster that ever brings Elfrid up. People are just running victory laps when it comes to Vuc.

One poster is sitting in this thread talking about how he was gonna be laughing this entire thread and that he was laughing since the trade deadline. That is some pure, unadulterated, hate right there. And what was the thing Vuc did that was so evil? He correctly said "he was the best player" in some interviews. Wow. What a crime. The best player on the team calling himself the best player on the team.

If people want to irrationally hate on someone, go ahead. I hate some players for irrational reasons myself around the league. Like Lamelo, just cause he annoys me for some reason. But people keep trying to justify their clear, irrational hatred of a guy that is no longer on the team. Just be happy he's gone and be done with it.

Once again... what thread are we in? Who gives a **** who is running victory laps? It is certainly their right to do so. Stop trying to control the narrative here.

As for Vucevic's most egregious sins... labeling himself the best player on the team wouldn't be near the top. I don't honestly remember him doing so. If so, it's kind of a douche move, but not a big deal. If he claimed himself a veteran leader, that's something entirely different.

Let's not rewrite history here though, Vucevic wasn't a model employee. His fragile ego was always a problem. He couldn't handle the additions of Biyombo or Ibaka because they were threats to him. He played zero defense. He wouldn't even commit a professional foul.

I don't blame him for signing a contract that never should've been offered to him. That's on the front office. In the end, it might all have worked out for the best. We got WCJ and potentially two lottery picks for a glorified version of Enes Kanter or Montrezl Harrell? I'll take it. The retrospective lionization is unmerited though. He took more than he gave.

The only problems he had was when an overpaid bum in Biyombo was starting over him for some bizarre reason for a short stint. I would be mad too if someone who was much worse than me at their job got a promotion over me. I'd bet almost everyone here would.

Outside of that, he's been an extremely loyal player and a good person on and off the court. The Magic in general have been a very drama-free team since Dwight was traded.

As for the Enes Kanter/Montrez Harrell comparisons, I obviously disagree. But more power to you if that's what you think of him.

The reason the bum Biyombo was starting over him was no mystery. It was because Vuc was a horrible rim protector and the coach valued that skill. Also, that version of Vuc was not the same player offensively that he became his last 3 seasons here. He was nowhere near good enough at that point to demand anything.

The Magic have been drama-free since Dwight was traded (there wasn't much drama with Dwight other than the Dwightmare season). They've also been fairly success-free.

[Bensational]

Once again... what thread are we in? Who gives a **** who is running victory laps? It is certainly their right to do so. Stop trying to control the narrative here.

As for Vucevic's most egregious sins... labeling himself the best player on the team wouldn't be near the top. I don't honestly remember him doing so. If so, it's kind of a douche move, but not a big deal. If he claimed himself a veteran leader, that's something entirely different.

Let's not rewrite history here though, Vucevic wasn't a model employee. His fragile ego was always a problem. He couldn't handle the additions of Biyombo or Ibaka because they were threats to him. He played zero defense. He wouldn't even commit a professional foul.

I don't blame him for signing a contract that never should've been offered to him. That's on the front office. In the end, it might all have worked out for the best. We got WCJ and potentially two lottery picks for a glorified version of Enes Kanter or Montrezl Harrell? I'll take it. The retrospective lionization is unmerited though. He took more than he gave.

The only problems he had was when an overpaid bum in Biyombo was starting over him for some bizarre reason for a short stint. I would be mad too if someone who was much worse than me at their job got a promotion over me. I'd bet almost everyone here would.

Outside of that, he's been an extremely loyal player and a good person on and off the court. The Magic in general have been a very drama-free team since Dwight was traded.

As for the Enes Kanter/Montrez Harrell comparisons, I obviously disagree. But more power to you if that's what you think of him.

The reason the bum Biyombo was starting over him was no mystery. It was because Vuc was a horrible rim protector and the coach valued that skill. Also, that version of Vuc was not the same player offensively that he became his last 3 seasons here. He was nowhere near good enough at that point to demand anything.

The Magic have been drama-free since Dwight was traded (there wasn't much drama with Dwight other than the Dwightmare season). They've also been fairly success-free.

You mean the bum C who’s now a starter on a playoff contender ranked higher than Vuc and the Bulls?

Or the other bum C/PF who went on to win a championship as a role player?

Or the bum PG who’s meant to be out of the league but is the starting PG on the 6th ranked team?

Or that bum Gordon who can’t even help Jokic win...

Oh wait, now all those excuses have been cut free and the real dead weight is being revealed on another team. How embarrassing if you’d spent the better part of a decade insisting he was some kind of legitimate all star.

[The Real Dalic]

The only problems he had was when an overpaid bum in Biyombo was starting over him for some bizarre reason for a short stint. I would be mad too if someone who was much worse than me at their job got a promotion over me. I'd bet almost everyone here would.

Outside of that, he's been an extremely loyal player and a good person on and off the court. The Magic in general have been a very drama-free team since Dwight was traded.

As for the Enes Kanter/Montrez Harrell comparisons, I obviously disagree. But more power to you if that's what you think of him.

The reason the bum Biyombo was starting over him was no mystery. It was because Vuc was a horrible rim protector and the coach valued that skill. Also, that version of Vuc was not the same player offensively that he became his last 3 seasons here. He was nowhere near good enough at that point to demand anything.

The Magic have been drama-free since Dwight was traded (there wasn't much drama with Dwight other than the Dwightmare season). They've also been fairly success-free.

You mean the bum C who’s now a starter on a playoff contender ranked higher than Vuc and the Bulls?

Or the other bum C/PF who went on to win a championship as a role player?

Or the bum PG who’s meant to be out of the league but is the starting PG on the 6th ranked team?

Or that bum Gordon who can’t even help Jokic win...

Oh wait, now all those excuses have been cut free and the real dead weight is being revealed on another team. How embarrassing if you’d spent the better part of a decade insisting he was some kind of legitimate all star.

Cody Zeller has been injured a lot this season. That's why that bum has been starting a lot more this season. The Hornets are also only a .500 team. They also only are a .500 team because they have good guard play, and an All-Star caliber player in Hayward. Their C position is by far the weakest for them. Especially when Zeller is out.

No one called Ibaka a bum, he also wasn't benched in favor of Ibaka. That would've been much easier to swallow.

As for Payton, a guy I actually still like, go ask Knicks fans what they think about Payton. Warning: it won't be pretty. I have a couple of friends who are Knicks fans as well who hate the guy the most of the players on their favorite team. There's a reason they tried to get Lonzo and are frontrunners to sign him in the offseason.

The AG one is the most made up thing said here just to make Vuc look bad. No one said anything bad about AG. Even the people that didn't like him don't call him a bum. They may say stuff like "he's not an all-star" or "AG has such low IQ and bad shot selection" but never that he's a bum or anything close to that. The only reasons most wanted to move on from AG in the first place was that he was our best asset not named Isaac, he was expiring, we would rather play Isaac in his position. That's it.

People either really wanna hate this guy, or they wanna be right so bad they'll make stuff up to paint him in a worse light. I actually think it's both.

[pepe1991]

Biyombo started over Vuc because Vogel had no clue what he was doing. He had cookie-cutter idea of "good team" , and just tried to copy past team and create "Orlando Pacers".
Ibaka= West
Biyombo = Hibbert
Gordon = PG
Jeff Green = Granger
Payton/DJ = Hill

turned into complete disaster, as expected.

[pepe1991]

You should have watched them. The 3 wins were against teams missing there best players in that game, without they probably would sit on a 11 game losing streak

There PG play is atrocious, Vuc & Lavine (no surprise) are horrible on defense, both are horrible going to the line, Markkanen became a end of the foodchain roleplayer after the trade. Young who was there best player with Lavine, is marginized with Vuc, because he was there playmaking Center before the trade + The Coby White experience (Damn i hate watching this guy play basketball)
The best the Bulls looked since the trade was when Lavine & Vuc sat on the bench & a Young lead team with there best perimeter defenders were on the court. In that case there were mobile on defense, they forced turnovers & they run it down the court by every chance.

I just hope there pick doesnt go top 4. I dont care for the player we could pick but we need that pick this year to trade up in the draft

They look execlly how Suns looked before Chris Paul and how every poor nba team looks like who runs offense without nba level starter point gurad -including last 10 years of Orlando Magic.
PG is by far most important nba position, if your PG just happends to be 6'8 uberathelte than you are contender.

Since i joined forum i kept repeating same thing, you will never be competitive without lead guard. Ever. That guy does not need to be 25 ppg scorer, but it has to be smartest person on the court. Utah Jazz- added Conley- transformed team, Suns added CP3- transformed team, Nets without Harden = not very good, 76rs without Simmons = not very good, Warriors without Steph =worst team in basketball.

Coby White is bench player, said it to Knightro last year. People were pretending he is some next allstar type guy based on shotjacking during tail end of rookie year.

the team has actually performed worse and went out earlier in playoffs than without Conley. They made it to 2 Semi's without him, last year they were out in first round. I do agree about needing a smart guard, but Conley is a bit overrated and also cannot stay healthy. And we cant really judge the Nets team, as they pushed all their chips in with Durant and Irving and then got Harden on a steal, but have had to deal with health issues.

2020-21 Mike Conley +15,3, highest net rating on a team. Last year in playoffs they lost Bogdanovic and their offense wasn't as good as it is this year.

My point is that heart of every team is ballhandler and more often than not, main ballhandler is guard. Trying to build team without elite ballhandler is complete and utter waste of time. Case and point Orlando Magic 2012- present day.

[zaymon]

Payton/Bensational/Gordon/Ibaka/Biyombo would Be Sensational team. I am sure Hornets denied Bismack for two unprotected first round picks. We chose the wrong center. Gordon is doing great with increased role, he will fight for all nba spot with Crowder and Ariza. I think he will lose by a hair becouse he is the worst shooter among them still impressive.

[basketballRob]

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