What’s your Big Board?

[tiderulz]

i disagree, and unfortunately we will never know.

Sengun was also showcased by his team so that he could be drafted and his contract bought out. You can inflate the stats of a player a lot if you showcase them.

Garza wasn't showcased?

Garza's USG% the last two seasons was 33.4% and 32.5%.

Şengün's was 26.7% this year.

there was no monetary reason to showcase Garza. Only a winning reason which they did a lot of.

i get it, you like Sengun, i dont think he is worth all the talk people are giving up. we'll leave it at that.

[Message Boar]

Gonna post a little Magic-specific big board (ie who would I pick for us, in order) here now; it shouldn't differ too much from a general big board since our main need is talent in general, at which position it comes isn't as important. Will probably edit in more commentary at a later point in time.

Tier 1: Perennial All-Star potential
1: Cade Cunningham
2: Jalen Suggs
3: Jalen Green
4: Evan Mobley
All four of these guys are quite close to each other and their order may differ depending on the day you ask me. Big drop off here.

Tier 2: Might make an All-Star game or two in their careers.
5: Scottie Barnes
6: James Bouknight
7: Jonathan Kuminga

Tier 3: Likely starters (or 6th man types).
8: Moses Moody
9: Davion Mitchell
10: Franz Wagner
11: Keon Johnson
12: Corey Kispert
13: Chris Duarte
14: Jalen Johnson
15: Josh Giddey
16: Alperen Şengün
17: Trey Murphy
18: Ziaire Williams
19: Kai Jones
20: Cam Thomas
21: Tre Mann
22: Sharife Cooper

Tier 4: Might become starters, more likely useful bench players. TBD

[AdamTheGreek]

Hoping we move up and get Green (Cade is obviously out of reach). If not and we stay put at 5 and 8, or do one or two trades backward, I absolutely want Moses Moody plus any of these guys in the first round:
Kuminga, Giddey, Garuba, Cam Thomas

That's my board. Anyone else other than the guys I mentioned above and I won't be happy. This is a deep draft, but the above guys are the only ones who can potentially be stars. The Magic shouldn't be drafting anything other than potential stars. Secondary pieces like Kispert or Mitchell make no sense here.

[zaymon]

My big board is a lot different than consensus. Guiding idea is our need of elite playmaker. I wont be very sad if we miss on low level all star but i will be very mad if we miss on all star lead ball handler.

Tier 1 [Players with elite skills]

1. Sharife Cooper- I am propably the only person in the world who has Cooper this high. I know he is small. I know his shot was awful. I know he didnt play defense..... but
He has too elite skills, handle and passing. Thats two more than 95% of other prospects. His assist rate is historical and his handle will take him anywhere . If he never learns how to shoot, we will at least watch some alley oops. Thing is he is already great free throw shooter and his conditiong was off due to later start to the season.

2. Alperen Sengun- People say centers need to be elite defenders to not get played off the floor, but in reality centers without offensive skills are just as if not more hurting their team. Adebayo was meh in the playoffs despite his awesome defense. Brook Lopez seemed more useful on offense than defense. Zubac was better on the bench. Gobert didnt save his team. Centers who truly made difference were offensive centers.
Sengun had historical season in good league. He is mobile, he can draw fouls, his shooting indicators are good and he is athletic enough to catch lob after lob.

3. Evan Mobley- I dont think he has one skill at the level of players above but he has two way potential. Mobile, can put the ball on the floor, good passer and decision maker. Nothing extraordinary besides doing all of that at 7 feet. To me he is more of a wing than a center. I would put the ball in his hands with Isaac spacing. On defense we would be huge, mobile and with great rim protecting instincts.

4. Josh Giddey- Propably the second best passer in the draft and one of better passers at his height ever to this point. There are big holes in his game but nothing he cant improve. His body will become much more athletic in time, he is just 18 years old. His shooting seems progressing, at the end of nbl season he even started to shoot of the dribble more. He is heralded as great worker. It would be so refreshing to watch good decision makers handle the ball. (outside Vucevic)

Tier 2 [A lot of skill but nothing elite]

5. Cade Cunningham- He is a great prospect but what is he really elite at ? Average athlete, average ball handler, bad decision maker in college.... Is his biggest advantage right now his shooting ? Last year his shooting splitts were similar to Scottie Barnes. I believe he made a great improvement but lets not get carried away. Being average to good in most skills at his height is very valueable but what is the upside ? You can become good athlete but propably not elite one at his age and current training regimen. You can improve decision making, but Cooper and Giddey seem to be two or three tiers above him already. I like Tatum comparison as his ceiling and thats a great player, but he is not as dynamic driver and also Tatum made unsusal development as a shooter.

6. Franz Wagner- If most players in top 10 end up as role players, Wagner has the chance to be the best of them. Great agility at 6'10 is game changing. He anchored one of the best defenses in NCAA as a young sophomore. His comparisons to Gordon Hayward and Otto Porter look interesting. Those are players who impact winning when they are healthy.

7. Jalen Suggs- good player with great character. Dont get me wrong i would be very happy with him at 5 and he will propably end up top 5 player in this draft. I just dont see elite upside and we need players with elite upside right now.

8. Jalen Green- Elite athlete with some interesting skills. I dont think his archetype contributs much to winning on his own. Beal and Lavine (as closest comparions) are glorified black holes who rarely make players around them better while hold their bottom dwelling teams hostage. Yes they can play on contending teams but not as first options and not as two way players.

9. Scottie Barnes- great passer at his height and great defender but his movements are so stiff i worry about his potential as a scorer. If he doesnt improve his shooting he will be negative offensive player despite his passing becouse he doesnt have great explosiveness and handle. He is monster in transition, but in half court he struggled even against NCAA reserves. He is not as coordinated as Giddey, not as fluid in motions. I like Giddey more as a passer and future shooter. We need offensive engines so i have Josh a lot higher on my board.

Tier 3 [Limited decision making or limited tools]

10. James Bouknight- His athletecism, coordination and craftiness are very enticing but it takes to watch one game to notice his tunnel vision. I like him a lot next to some real creator but i think we will rebuild for the next 10 years if we wont take swings at elite decision makers.

11. Tre Mann- He is a real creator and he can make good reads. You could argue pull up shooting is his elite skill. In the end i think his tools limit him from entering higher tier.

12. Jonathan Kuminga- i just dont see it with him. He regressed as a player this year despite having team build around him. He just dominated with his physical profile so far. His touch is suspect, he is a bad shooter for years despite having ok form. He seemed to never know what to do on the floor. His athletecism gives him some upside but i wouldnt want to give him the ball on my team. From what i heard his character and work ethic are also questionable.

13. Moses Moody- he is good defender and shooter but where is the upside ? Maybe in his youth but its hard to project anything without some flashes of brilliance. If we want shooting and ok defense we can draft Wieskamp in second round. Still i have him in the lottery so i am not entirely down on him.

14. Ziaire Williams- i know he showed nothing in college but his tools are great and shooting indicators are ok. Kuminga showed nothing in g league so why is he so much better prospect ? At least Williams have a lot of athletic ability to unlock. His year was also very tough with the pandemic. Wouldnt mind to trade Ross, 33 and maybe some more to take a flier on him.

[Skin]

1. Jalen Green - Have had him here all year, no reason to change now, but I admit the gap has closed.

2. Jalen Suggs - Super high BBIQ could have a Chris Paul impact for a young Magic team looking for a turn around.

3. Cade Cunningham - Robotic, boring style of play, but effective.

4. James Bouknight - Warts in the stat sheet, Beauty marks on the court.

5. Jonathan Kuminga - Raw piece of clay. Going to the right team and right coach will mean everything to him.

6. Evan Mobley - Obviously a higher rated player, but I just want to progress anywhere except the frontcourt.

7. Davion Mitchell - Old but feisty. High floor.

8. Tre Mann - Better basketball player than athlete, but nice growth spurt!

9. Trey Murphy - Best 3 and D prospect in the draft. Quick trigger!

10. Scottie Barnes - Nice energy player.

11. Keon Johnson - Explosive upside, but I need more.

[Skin]

My big board is a lot different than consensus. Guiding idea is our need of elite playmaker. I wont be very sad if we miss on low level all star but i will be very mad if we miss on all star lead ball handler.

Tier 1 [Players with elite skills]

1. Sharife Cooper- I am propably the only person in the world who has Cooper this high. I know he is small. I know his shot was awful. I know he didnt play defense..... but
He has too elite skills, handle and passing. Thats two more than 95% of other prospects. His assist rate is historical and his handle will take him anywhere . If he never learns how to shoot, we will at least watch some alley oops. Thing is he is already great free throw shooter and his conditiong was off due to later start to the season.

2. Alperen Sengun- People say centers need to be elite defenders to not get played off the floor, but in reality centers without offensive skills are just as if not more hurting their team. Adebayo was meh in the playoffs despite his awesome defense. Brook Lopez seemed more useful on offense than defense. Zubac was better on the bench. Gobert didnt save his team. Centers who truly made difference were offensive centers.
Sengun had historical season in good league. He is mobile, he can draw fouls, his shooting indicators are good and he is athletic enough to catch lob after lob.

3. Evan Mobley- I dont think he has one skill at the level of players above but he has two way potential. Mobile, can put the ball on the floor, good passer and decision maker. Nothing extraordinary besides doing all of that at 7 feet. To me he is more of a wing than a center. I would put the ball in his hands with Isaac spacing. On defense we would be huge, mobile and with great rim protecting instincts.

4. Josh Giddey- Propably the second best passer in the draft and one of better passers at his height ever to this point. There are big holes in his game but nothing he cant improve. His body will become much more athletic in time, he is just 18 years old. His shooting seems progressing, at the end of nbl season he even started to shoot of the dribble more. He is heralded as great worker. It would be so refreshing to watch good decision makers handle the ball. (outside Vucevic)

Tier 2 [A lot of skill but nothing elite]

5. Cade Cunningham- He is a great prospect but what is he really elite at ? Average athlete, average ball handler, bad decision maker in college.... Is his biggest advantage right now his shooting ? Last year his shooting splitts were similar to Scottie Barnes. I believe he made a great improvement but lets not get carried away. Being average to good in most skills at his height is very valueable but what is the upside ? You can become good athlete but propably not elite one at his age and current training regimen. You can improve decision making, but Cooper and Giddey seem to be two or three tiers above him already. I like Tatum comparison as his ceiling and thats a great player, but he is not as dynamic driver and also Tatum made unsusal development as a shooter.

6. Franz Wagner- If most players in top 10 end up as role players, Wagner has the chance to be the best of them. Great agility at 6'10 is game changing. He anchored one of the best defenses in NCAA as a young sophomore. His comparisons to Gordon Hayward and Otto Porter look interesting. Those are players who impact winning when they are healthy.

7. Jalen Suggs- good player with great character. Dont get me wrong i would be very happy with him at 5 and he will propably end up top 5 player in this draft. I just dont see elite upside and we need players with elite upside right now.

8. Jalen Green- Elite athlete with some interesting skills. I dont think his archetype contributs much to winning on his own. Beal and Lavine (as closest comparions) are glorified black holes who rarely make players around them better while hold their bottom dwelling teams hostage. Yes they can play on contending teams but not as first options and not as two way players.

9. Scottie Barnes- great passer at his height and great defender but his movements are so stiff i worry about his potential as a scorer. If he doesnt improve his shooting he will be negative offensive player despite his passing becouse he doesnt have great explosiveness and handle. He is monster in transition, but in half court he struggled even against NCAA reserves. He is not as coordinated as Giddey, not as fluid in motions. I like Giddey more as a passer and future shooter. We need offensive engines so i have Josh a lot higher on my board.

Tier 3 [Limited decision making or limited tools]

10. James Bouknight- His athletecism, coordination and craftiness are very enticing but it takes to watch one game to notice his tunnel vision. I like him a lot next to some real creator but i think we will rebuild for the next 10 years if we wont take swings at elite decision makers.

11. Tre Mann- He is a real creator and he can make good reads. You could argue pull up shooting is his elite skill. In the end i think his tools limit him from entering higher tier.

12. Jonathan Kuminga- i just dont see it with him. He regressed as a player this year despite having team build around him. He just dominated with his physical profile so far. His touch is suspect, he is a bad shooter for years despite having ok form. He seemed to never know what to do on the floor. His athletecism gives him some upside but i wouldnt want to give him the ball on my team. From what i heard his character and work ethic are also questionable.

13. Moses Moody- he is good defender and shooter but where is the upside ? Maybe in his youth but its hard to project anything without some flashes of brilliance. If we want shooting and ok defense we can draft Wieskamp in second round. Still i have him in the lottery so i am not entirely down on him.

14. Ziaire Williams- i know he showed nothing in college but his tools are great and shooting indicators are ok. Kuminga showed nothing in g league so why is he so much better prospect ? At least Williams have a lot of athletic ability to unlock. His year was also very tough with the pandemic. Wouldnt mind to trade Ross, 33 and maybe some more to take a flier on him.

I like it for the simple fact that it's different and I give you props for trusting your own eye.

[PrimeThyme]

Green is pretty firmly 4th on my board. I just foresee Cade/Mobley/Suggs developing into more impactful players. If I was Houston and was staring down a mobile two-way 7 footer and a 6-5 shooting guard who will have an uphill battle to become an average defender in this league, the choice would be pretty easy.

All the two-way and intangible stuff with Suggs would make the choice at 3 pretty easy for me as well.

[OrlandoNed]

I like it for the simple fact that it's different and I give you props for trusting your own eye.

...That said, he has a terrible eye for talent.

[Def Swami]

As of 2 days before the draft...

Board #1-4
1. Cunningham
2. Suggs
3. Mobley
4. Green

Board at #5-10:
5. Barnes
6. Moody
7. Mann
8. Wagner
9. Sengun
10. Bouknight

I think any combination of 2 of the final 6 players or just 1 of the top 4 players, and I'll be content.

[thelead]

Since I think we should all do this, here is my big board:

1. Cade
2. Green
3. Mobley
4. Suggs
5. Kuminga
6. Sengun
7. Barnes
8. Moody
9. Giddey
10. Mann
11. Primo
12. Keon
13. Garuba
14. Bouknight
15. Wagner
16. Cam
17. Kispert
18. Johnson (Duke)
19. Springer
20. Murphy


Edit: added 10 more

[RookieStar]

Board right? Not mock? So best players...

1. Cade
2. Suggs
3. Mobley
4. Green
5. Kuminga
6. Bouknight
7. Barnes
8. Moody
9. Wagner
10. Zaire

[Bensational]

My big board is a lot different than consensus. Guiding idea is our need of elite playmaker. I wont be very sad if we miss on low level all star but i will be very mad if we miss on all star lead ball handler.

Tier 1 [Players with elite skills]

1. Sharife Cooper- I am propably the only person in the world who has Cooper this high. I know he is small. I know his shot was awful. I know he didnt play defense..... but
He has too elite skills, handle and passing. Thats two more than 95% of other prospects. His assist rate is historical and his handle will take him anywhere . If he never learns how to shoot, we will at least watch some alley oops. Thing is he is already great free throw shooter and his conditiong was off due to later start to the season.

I love how bold you’re being here. I can definitely imagine a future where Cooper gets his shooting down and becomes Isaiah Thomas meets Chris Paul, and whilst I don’t think it’s likely, it’s easier to imagine la player who already has proven they can develop one or more elite skills turning their attention elsewhere and adding more.

I’m thinking a more likely outcome might be Jameer Nelson meets Rafer Alston, in one player. That would be a fantastic player.

[thelead]

Since I think we should all do this, here is my big board:

1. Cade
2. Green
3. Mobley
4. Suggs
5. Kuminga
6. Sengun
7. Barnes
8. Moody
9. Giddey
10. Mann
11. Primo
12. Keon
13. Bouknight
14. Wagner
15. Garuba
16. Cam
17. Kispert
18. Johnson (Duke)
19. Springer
20. Murphy


Edit: added 10 more

Last edit before the draft:

1. Cade - I like Green's potential A LOT more but Cade is the safer pick
2. Green - Love him but where is he mentality at and can he gain some weight. I would take him at 1 based on potential.
3. Mobley - The defensive potential is through the roof. Has decent touch
4. Suggs - Will likely not be a superstar but will likely be a reliable starter for a while
5. Kuminga - Very high bust potential but could also be the best player in the draft if he develops. Scary pick
6. Sengun - Pau Gasol lite IMO. At least on offense.
7. Barnes - Would be perfect for team that has their star offensive player
8. Moody - This is a potential pick but a two way player
9. Giddey - Star potential if he can learn how to shoot
10. Mann - 49/40/83 splits with a good handle
11. Bouknight - Not so great splits but took bad shots. I'm scared of his tunnel vision.
12. Keon - Just an athlete but at this point, these are nearly all potential picks
13. Johnson (Duke) - I would have him much higher if not for character concerns
14. Garuba - Clint Capela level player
15. Wagner - Love his game but what position does he play? Does he get bodied by PF's or passed by by SF's?
16. Springer - The next Courtney Lee
17. Wieskamp - An Evan Fournier replacement
18. Kispert - I'm concerned with his speed and shooting on the move but he can shoot
19. Cam - A bucket but can he get his shot off on the next level
20. Primo - ALL potential. Hard to overlook a freshman with good splits who would still be 18 as a Sophomore. There are high schoolers that are still 18 that didn't fail a grade.

I don't see enough people committed to cementing their big board

[Bensational]

After everything, these are the guys I'm most excited about, which probably means I should just rank them in that order. Disclaimer, I can't say I have confidence in this board, because I know the order is a bit out of whack even to how I rate the prospects - this is purely just about how much I'd want to watch that player on the Magic (or any team, really).

Cade Cunningham
Josh Giddey
Tre Mann
Jalen Suggs
Alperen Sengun
Jalen Green
Ayo Dosunmu
Trey Murphy
Usman Garuba
Shariffe Cooper
Scottie Barnes
Evan Mobley
Vrenz Bleijenbergh

That top 3-7 are all incredibly close to me, to the point where they're almost interchangeable. I wouldn't be upset missing Mann knowing Suggs/Sengun/Green was coming, for example.

[Howard Mass]

My Big Board

1) Jalen Green
2) Cade Cunningham
3) James Bouknight
4) Jalen Suggs
5) Eric Mobley
6) Jonathan Kuminga
7) Moses Moody
8) Keon Jonson
9) Davion Mitchell
10) Tre Mann
11) Scottie Barnes
12) Ziaire Williams
13) Corey Kispert
14) Alperen Sengun
15) Isaiah Jackson
16) Jalen Johnson
17) Jared Butler
18) Chris Duarte
19) Trey Murphy
20) Franz Wagner
21) Josh Giddey
22) Kai Jones
23) Bones Hyland
24) Quentin Grimes
25) Joshua Primo
26) Jaden Springer

I want James Bouknight at #5 and Jonathan Kuminga at #8. If Kuminga is not there, I want Moses Moody.

At #33, I'd like The Magic to try and move up to with 2nds to get someone on my Big Board who drops.

[Skin]

My Big Board

1) Jalen Green
2) Cade Cunningham
3) James Bouknight
4) Jalen Suggs
5) Eric Mobley
6) Jonathan Kuminga
7) Moses Moody
8) Keon Jonson
9) Davion Mitchell
10) Tre Mann
11) Scottie Barnes
12) Ziaire Williams
13) Corey Kispert
14) Alperen Sengun
15) Isaiah Jackson
16) Jalen Johnson
17) Jared Butler
18) Chris Duarte
19) Trey Murphy
20) Franz Wagner
21) Josh Giddey
22) Kai Jones
23) Bones Hyland
24) Quentin Grimes
25) Joshua Primo
26) Jaden Springer

I want James Bouknight at #5 and Jonathan Kuminga at #8. If Kuminga is not there, I want Moses Moody.

At #33, I'd like The Magic to try and move up to with 2nds to get someone on my Big Board who drops.

You have Barnes lower than me! That's baaaad. Lol

[Howard Mass]

My Big Board

1) Jalen Green
2) Cade Cunningham
3) James Bouknight
4) Jalen Suggs
5) Eric Mobley
6) Jonathan Kuminga
7) Moses Moody
8) Keon Jonson
9) Davion Mitchell
10) Tre Mann
11) Scottie Barnes
12) Ziaire Williams
13) Corey Kispert
14) Alperen Sengun
15) Isaiah Jackson
16) Jalen Johnson
17) Jared Butler
18) Chris Duarte
19) Trey Murphy
20) Franz Wagner
21) Josh Giddey
22) Kai Jones
23) Bones Hyland
24) Quentin Grimes
25) Joshua Primo
26) Jaden Springer

I want James Bouknight at #5 and Jonathan Kuminga at #8. If Kuminga is not there, I want Moses Moody.

At #33, I'd like The Magic to try and move up to with 2nds to get someone on my Big Board who drops.

You have Barnes lower than me! That's baaaad. Lol

LOL! I am not against him.

Thank you for quoting this as I kind of like for my posts to be saved so I can't be accused of editing.

Love your Draft Threads each year Skin.

[basketballRob]

My Big Board

1) Jalen Green
2) Cade Cunningham
3) James Bouknight
4) Jalen Suggs
5) Eric Mobley
6) Jonathan Kuminga
7) Moses Moody
8) Keon Jonson
9) Davion Mitchell
10) Tre Mann
11) Scottie Barnes
12) Ziaire Williams
13) Corey Kispert
14) Alperen Sengun
15) Isaiah Jackson
16) Jalen Johnson
17) Jared Butler
18) Chris Duarte
19) Trey Murphy
20) Franz Wagner
21) Josh Giddey
22) Kai Jones
23) Bones Hyland
24) Quentin Grimes
25) Joshua Primo
26) Jaden Springer

I want James Bouknight at #5 and Jonathan Kuminga at #8. If Kuminga is not there, I want Moses Moody.

At #33, I'd like The Magic to try and move up to with 2nds to get someone on my Big Board who drops.

You have Barnes lower than me! That's baaaad. Lol

Pelton has him 13 and you know Hammond picks based on that.

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[RookieStar]

Board right? Not mock? So best players...

1. Cade
2. Suggs
3. Mobley
4. Green
5. Kuminga
6. Bouknight
7. Barnes
8. Moody
9. Wagner
10. Zaire

Soooo... i only had 2 Bouk and Moody wrong on my top 10 lol.. wow I got Zaire right in ny top 10