2021-2022 Regular Season Game 28: Orlando Magic (5-22) at LA Lakers (14-13) - 12/12/21 - 9:30pm ET

[Knightro]

Isaac and WCJ anchoring this team defensively, with Suggs at the point of attack would make a night and day difference. Hopefully, we see it at some point this year.

Some point before this season ends we need a Fultz/Suggs/Wagner/Isaac/Carter lineup

I suppose Cole in place of Fultz could suffice too.

[thelead]

Isaac and WCJ anchoring this team defensively, with Suggs at the point of attack would make a night and day difference. Hopefully, we see it at some point this year.

Don’t get me wrong, I want to see that lineup badly but we’re going to need massive offensive gains from Isaac or Suggs for that lineup to be a future contending lineup. I really do hope one of those guys can put it all together because the defense between the 3 of them can be special.

[thelead]

Isaac and WCJ anchoring this team defensively, with Suggs at the point of attack would make a night and day difference. Hopefully, we see it at some point this year.

Some point before this season ends we need a Fultz/Suggs/Wagner/Isaac/Carter lineup

I suppose Cole in place of Fultz could suffice too.

That’s where I’m at as a well but I have JI at the 5… but that really doesn’t matter and would be decided by matchups. Cole off the bench to replace Ross once we trade him to a contender

[Knightro]

Isaac and WCJ anchoring this team defensively, with Suggs at the point of attack would make a night and day difference. Hopefully, we see it at some point this year.

Don’t get me wrong, I want to see that lineup badly but we’re going to need massive offensive gains from Isaac or Suggs for that lineup to be a future contending lineup. I really do hope one of those guys can put it all together because the defense between the 3 of them can be special.

Can I interest you in a new Banchero or Ivey or Smith to help with that group's lack of offense?

And then someone could brainwash Cole into embracing his ultimate destiny as Jordan Clarkson 2.0 aka a flamethrower who just comes off the bench looking to score and score and score some more rather than cosplaying as a starting point guard.

[pepe1991]

This is by far worst Magic season opening in franchise history. Even during first year in nba they menaged to win more than 5 games in first 27 games.

I don't care about lineups , Magic need talent more than anything.
Lebron scored more points than whole Orlando team in 3rd quater.

Game vs Clippers just goes to show how little value stats have on bad teams. Reggie Jackson looked like megastar because that's how basketball at that level works. Somebody will put up stats even on most worthless teams. There is 90-100 possessions to be had, teams normally play up and down with competition, almost every team will have at least one +18 ppg scorer.

btw Chuma talk. if you remove 3 best games in a row from last year, he shot 38-125 for 3 for rest of a season.
If you remove 4 ( 3 of same and add another one ) he shot 108-281. Overall for season. Basically being 38% FG -30% for 3 guy minus 4 games.

People just overvalued him last year. I've said in past, he is bench version of Ariza. Low usage guy who can make open 3 and won't ruin your defense. Now he just can't make open 3s. Maybe down the line it will once again, even stats up with few good games in a row. He isn't 21% three point shooter, but also there is no evidence he is good/great/ high usage shooter either.
My issue is with mindset. Let's draft player that has ACL tear and isn't most athletic guy to being with, let's make a deal with him to not pay him and sit him whole year because we don't want to bring rookie.

If you look back, we passed on guys like Bazley,Keldon Johnson, Poole, Porter jr, Matisse Thybulle and Brandon Clarke to draft him. So i can't shake off feeling we drafted him JUST because he was unable to play.

[MagicStarwipe]

This is by far worst Magic season opening in franchise history. Even during first year in nba they menaged to win more than 5 games in first 27 games.

I don't care about lineups , Magic need talent more than anything.
Lebron scored more points than whole Orlando team in 3rd quater.

Game vs Clippers just goes to show how little value stats have on bad teams. Reggie Jackson looked like megastar because that's how basketball at that level works. Somebody will put up stats even on most worthless teams. There is 90-100 possessions to be had, teams normally play up and down with competition, almost every team will have at least one +18 ppg scorer.

btw Chuma talk. if you remove 3 best games in a row from last year, he shot 38-125 for 3 for rest of a season.
If you remove 4 ( 3 of same and add another one ) he shot 108-281. Overall for season. Basically being 38% FG -30% for 3 guy minus 4 games.

People just overvalued him last year. I've said in past, he is bench version of Ariza. Low usage guy who can make open 3 and won't ruin your defense. Now he just can't make open 3s. Maybe down the line it will once again, even stats up with few good games in a row. He isn't 21% three point shooter, but also there is no evidence he is good/great/ high usage shooter either.
My issue is with mindset. Let's draft player that has ACL tear and isn't most athletic guy to being with, let's make a deal with him to not pay him and sit him whole year because we don't want to bring rookie.

If you look back, we passed on guys like Bazley,Keldon Johnson, Poole, Porter jr, Matisse Thybulle and Brandon Clarke to draft him. So i can't shake off feeling we drafted him JUST because he was unable to play.

You realise you can just do the same thing but the other way around and remove 4 of his worst shooting games and paint a rosier picture don't you?

Anyway, my main concern with Chuma is he just looks slow. The guy looks more past his physical prime than Melo. Not that he was prime McGrady athleticism wise last season but he was a far cry from what he is now. I never thought he would be a major scorer but a guy that could do a bit of everything on both ends and make smart plays. That's what we saw from him last season. I hope his injury hasn't robbed him of all of that for good because it's just painful watching him now.

[drsd]

Another game, another failure on the TO differential stat line: Orlando goes +5 in this game.

[drsd]

This is by far worst Magic season opening in franchise history. Even during first year in nba they menaged to win more than 5 games in first 27 games.

"By far" is a but much, but objectively, this is the worst record Orlando has ever had at the 28 game mark:

[drsd]

btw Chuma talk. if you remove 3 best games in a row from last year, he shot 38-125 for 3 for rest of a season.
If you remove 4 ( 3 of same and add another one ) he shot 108-281. Overall for season. Basically being 38% FG -30% for 3 guy minus 4 games.

People just overvalued him last year. I've said in past, he is bench version of Ariza. Low usage guy who can make open 3 and won't ruin your defense.

This year his PER is sub-10, and this is with the "good" games. On this horrible roster, Okeke is the 9th "best" Magian. When Isaac and Fultz return, he will be out of the rotation (thankfully). But add Moore and Carter-Williams, I cannot envisage even scrub, 3rd-string minutes for Okeke. He has simply been bad.

He does not deserve court time, and I for one look forward to Carter-Williams taking his minutes.


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[pepe1991]

This is by far worst Magic season opening in franchise history. Even during first year in nba they menaged to win more than 5 games in first 27 games.

I don't care about lineups , Magic need talent more than anything.
Lebron scored more points than whole Orlando team in 3rd quater.

Game vs Clippers just goes to show how little value stats have on bad teams. Reggie Jackson looked like megastar because that's how basketball at that level works. Somebody will put up stats even on most worthless teams. There is 90-100 possessions to be had, teams normally play up and down with competition, almost every team will have at least one +18 ppg scorer.

btw Chuma talk. if you remove 3 best games in a row from last year, he shot 38-125 for 3 for rest of a season.
If you remove 4 ( 3 of same and add another one ) he shot 108-281. Overall for season. Basically being 38% FG -30% for 3 guy minus 4 games.

People just overvalued him last year. I've said in past, he is bench version of Ariza. Low usage guy who can make open 3 and won't ruin your defense. Now he just can't make open 3s. Maybe down the line it will once again, even stats up with few good games in a row. He isn't 21% three point shooter, but also there is no evidence he is good/great/ high usage shooter either.
My issue is with mindset. Let's draft player that has ACL tear and isn't most athletic guy to being with, let's make a deal with him to not pay him and sit him whole year because we don't want to bring rookie.

If you look back, we passed on guys like Bazley,Keldon Johnson, Poole, Porter jr, Matisse Thybulle and Brandon Clarke to draft him. So i can't shake off feeling we drafted him JUST because he was unable to play.

You realise you can just do the same thing but the other way around and remove 4 of his worst shooting games and paint a rosier picture don't you?

Anyway, my main concern with Chuma is he just looks slow. The guy looks more past his physical prime than Melo. Not that he was prime McGrady athleticism wise last season but he was a far cry from what he is now. I never thought he would be a major scorer but a guy that could do a bit of everything on both ends and make smart plays. That's what we saw from him last season. I hope his injury hasn't robbed him of all of that for good because it's just painful watching him now.

Yea but it's 3 games in a row, everything before and after was similar to version of Okeke we see now.

I agree about lack of athletics this year, i pointed out before in some comment that he looks very slow this year.

I don't know. ACL tear and than hip injury, those things will kill your mobility.

[drsd]

I know it was a Lakers home game and James gets Jordan-rules calls, but two of his three blacks were clear goal tends with correct refereeing.

[Knightro]

Shooting slumps happen. I would be far less concerned about Okeke if he was just having a cold snap with his shooting.

But the problems appear to run deeper than that.

First off, he appears to have overhauled his entire jumper form and not in a good way. He takes his guide hand off the ball so early now that it’s basically a flat one-handed push shot.

But really even worse than that the way he plays this year is so much different than the way he was playing last year.

Last year he did all the little things. He played heady defense. He was active and aggressive in the passing lanes. He made the extra pass. He took charges. He flashed some really interesting court vision and passing from the elbows and high posts.

But this year all of that is gone. Every time the guy touches the ball he seemingly just wants to dribble it and try to get up a shot.

[Optimus_Steel]

This is by far worst Magic season opening in franchise history. Even during first year in nba they menaged to win more than 5 games in first 27 games.

I don't care about lineups , Magic need talent more than anything.
Lebron scored more points than whole Orlando team in 3rd quater.

Game vs Clippers just goes to show how little value stats have on bad teams. Reggie Jackson looked like megastar because that's how basketball at that level works. Somebody will put up stats even on most worthless teams. There is 90-100 possessions to be had, teams normally play up and down with competition, almost every team will have at least one +18 ppg scorer.

btw Chuma talk. if you remove 3 best games in a row from last year, he shot 38-125 for 3 for rest of a season.
If you remove 4 ( 3 of same and add another one ) he shot 108-281. Overall for season. Basically being 38% FG -30% for 3 guy minus 4 games.

People just overvalued him last year. I've said in past, he is bench version of Ariza. Low usage guy who can make open 3 and won't ruin your defense. Now he just can't make open 3s. Maybe down the line it will once again, even stats up with few good games in a row. He isn't 21% three point shooter, but also there is no evidence he is good/great/ high usage shooter either.
My issue is with mindset. Let's draft player that has ACL tear and isn't most athletic guy to being with, let's make a deal with him to not pay him and sit him whole year because we don't want to bring rookie.

If you look back, we passed on guys like Bazley,Keldon Johnson, Poole, Porter jr, Matisse Thybulle and Brandon Clarke to draft him. So i can't shake off feeling we drafted him JUST because he was unable to play.

You realise you can just do the same thing but the other way around and remove 4 of his worst shooting games and paint a rosier picture don't you?

Anyway, my main concern with Chuma is he just looks slow. The guy looks more past his physical prime than Melo. Not that he was prime McGrady athleticism wise last season but he was a far cry from what he is now. I never thought he would be a major scorer but a guy that could do a bit of everything on both ends and make smart plays. That's what we saw from him last season. I hope his injury hasn't robbed him of all of that for good because it's just painful watching him now.

Yea but it's 3 games in a row, everything before and after was similar to version of Okeke we see now.

I agree about lack of athletics this year, i pointed out before in some comment that he looks very slow this year.

I don't know. ACL tear and than hip injury, those things will kill your mobility.

Can anyone shed light on his hip injury? It was vague how it was shared by the Magic. His mobility is shot, he looks like a guy who has a ton of mileage and starts to slow down but he is in his early 20s.

[RichCollab]

I can watch every game this season as long as Franz is in.

Starting lineup locks:
Franz
WCJ

Rotation/Possible Starter locks:
Cole - End of game clutch guy, possibly lead team in minutes played, possible starter
Suggs - possible starter

Rotation locks:
Bamba - contract to keep him has to be reasonable

End of bench keep around
Moe Wagner

Don’t care if they stay or go vets
Harris
Lopez

Vets to kick to curb
Ross
E’Twaun Moore

Need to see more from. Bench players 8 to 11 range
RJ
Okeke

Long term injury players

Starter if healthy
JI

Rotation/Possible Starter if Healthy
Fultz - if he can knock down open 3s I’m putting him in the starting lineup

Rotation keep if healthy
MCW

[I Rasharted]

Our tank is pure.