2021-2022 Regular Season Game 46: Orlando Magic (8-37) at Philadelphia 76ers (25-18) - 1/19/22 at 7pm ET

[Rainwater]

I don't think Magic have anything to offer to 76ers for Simmons, but that does not change fact he would be most talented player to play for Orlando in last 10 years or so.
There is so much said about what Simmons can't do, ignoring guy is still one of best passers, above average rebounder and one of most elite nba defenders. And despite being no-shooting guy, still puts up +15 ppg every year on the board.

Except of course for this year. He has not played in 4 months and no telling what kind of player he will be when he returns.

I still like a healthy Simmons. I would rather see him put everything together and play again for the 76ers. I just think that they have some unfinished business.

He is healthy, from physical pov. Mental thing is whole another problem.

I really don't think Orlando will make play for him ( or any other star for that matter ). I think Weltman and Hammond are now once again more than comfortable at doing nothing and calling it "right way rebuild". once we approach 2025, both will be closer to 70 than 60 and just flat out decide to go home, play with grandkids, play golf or whatever

Yeah, outside a minor trade for Ross, Mo, or Harris don't see the magic doing much.

[drsd]

Neither Embiid nor Bamba played a lick of dense in this game. They combined for 29-38 (76%) and 82 points. I cannot be excited by Bamba's 32, as he was outscored by 18 - i.e. more than the amount that the Sixers won the game by.

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[drsd]

Positive stat f the game: the Magic controlled their TO levels and was only 2 worse than the Sixers.

[MagicStarwipe]

Neither Embiid nor Bamba played a lick of dense in this game. They combined for 29-38 (76%) and 82 points. I cannot be excited by Bamba's 32, as he was outscored by 18 - i.e. more than the amount that the Sixers won the game by.

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Embiid averages 18 more PPG than Bamba, so the fact that Embed scored 50 points and was still only 18 points better than Bamba is pretty impressive

[pepe1991]

This is one of most effectvie 50 points scored in recent history. And he did it by falling to break Klay's fastest 50-game-since-shotclock for just 30 seconds.

it's safe to say Magic played zero defense on him, as a team, and individually whoever guarded him. I mean...17-23 says it all. If he didn't took those threes , his FG would have been 84%.
Overall i think his TS% on 50 points game was over 80% witch is just nba2k level silly.


ugh just figured another record was broken, Embiid is only player in modern basketball history to record 50 points double double in under 28 min.... And allegedly, they turned down offer of Harris, Simmons for Haliburton, Barnes & Hield ( and some picks, and third team was allegeldy in play, have no clue who, twitter rumors ).

[Magic_Kingdom]

Bamba bests his previous career high of 22 points but his positional matchup scores 50 points in 27 minutes, something so incredible it made the top of ESPN's Top Headlines with the tagline "Unbelievable". And it goes without saying the other team won by double digits. This is Mo Bamba. To the extent this performance tantalized any GM they should trade him today while his value is at its peak.

[basketballRob]

Bamba had one field goal attempt in the 3rd quarter (and made it). What other team in the league would get a guy only one shot in the 3rd quarter after he had a 28 point first half. The anti-heat check.

Blame on Clifford!

I believe most of Embiid's points were against Robin. Pretty sure out of Embiid's 28 minutes 15 were against Robin. Mo went out early in the 3rd quarter and Embiid score 23. Bamba was scoring a lot on Drummond.

Looks like even Mo is a better defender than Vuc was at 23 years old. Based on DPBM.

https://stathead.com/basketball/pcm_finder.cgi?request=1&sum=0&player_id1=bambamo01&p1yrfrom=2022&player_id2=vucevni01&p2yrfrom=2014

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[JBSouthpaw]

Neither Embiid nor Bamba played a lick of dense in this game. They combined for 29-38 (76%) and 82 points. I cannot be excited by Bamba's 32, as he was outscored by 18 - i.e. more than the amount that the Sixers won the game by.

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I don't know if a site does this, but Joel got a TON of points on RoLo, was way too fast for him.
It wasn't all on Bamba. (of course Bamba fouled out, so maybe it was on him)

[pepe1991]

Bamba had one field goal attempt in the 3rd quarter (and made it). What other team in the league would get a guy only one shot in the 3rd quarter after he had a 28 point first half. The anti-heat check.

Blame on Clifford!

I believe most of Embiid's points were against Robin. Pretty sure out of Embiid's 28 minutes 15 were against Robin. Mo went out early in the 3rd quarter and Embiid score 23. Bamba was scoring a lot on Drummond.

Looks like even Mo is a better defender than Vuc was at 23 years old. Based on DPBM.

https://stathead.com/basketball/pcm_finder.cgi?request=1&sum=0&player_id1=bambamo01&p1yrfrom=2022&player_id2=vucevni01&p2yrfrom=2014

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Around 20 points if you include all fouling Bamba did on him.

And you really need to see some professional help to cure that Vucofobia, it's really not healthy for you

[basketballRob]

Blame on Clifford!

I believe most of Embiid's points were against Robin. Pretty sure out of Embiid's 28 minutes 15 were against Robin. Mo went out early in the 3rd quarter and Embiid score 23. Bamba was scoring a lot on Drummond.

Looks like even Mo is a better defender than Vuc was at 23 years old. Based on DPBM.

https://stathead.com/basketball/pcm_finder.cgi?request=1&sum=0&player_id1=bambamo01&p1yrfrom=2022&player_id2=vucevni01&p2yrfrom=2014

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Around 20 points if you include all fouling Bamba did on him.

And you really need to see some professional help to cure that Vucofobia, it's really not healthy for you

So 30 on Robin in 15 minutes?

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[Skybox]

If you want a stat, how about Embiid shot 15-17 at the line and ORL shot 12-16 and I'm not blaming the refs...Congrats to Mo for hitting all of those threes...probably a safe move to stay out of the paint.

I've been a Mo apologist and I'd rather sign him for 10m or less as a situational role player than give him away for a crappy pick or seconds, but I'd most prefer to move him for another young prospect who maybe hasn't clicked yet. Now would probably be the time.

CHA is always mentioned as needing a center...maybe TOR? who else might cut loose a prospect for a chance to have Mo blossom in their environment?

[pepe1991]

I believe most of Embiid's points were against Robin. Pretty sure out of Embiid's 28 minutes 15 were against Robin. Mo went out early in the 3rd quarter and Embiid score 23. Bamba was scoring a lot on Drummond.

Looks like even Mo is a better defender than Vuc was at 23 years old. Based on DPBM.

https://stathead.com/basketball/pcm_finder.cgi?request=1&sum=0&player_id1=bambamo01&p1yrfrom=2022&player_id2=vucevni01&p2yrfrom=2014

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Around 20 points if you include all fouling Bamba did on him.

And you really need to see some professional help to cure that Vucofobia, it's really not healthy for you

So 30 on Robin in 15 minutes?

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nop.
6FGM on Lopez / 12 points.

There were some awful possessions like Bamba not running transition back and Embiid going coast to coast against... Cole Anthony.
Okeke ending up defending him under rim and just fouling... And in general fouling. Bamba fouled out, Jojo had 17 FTA.

[pepe1991]

Bamba played well in first matchup this year against Embiid as well , but much like this one, Embiid played even better ( 31 points) and again, almost Bamba fauled out in 28 min spent (5 fouls).
Embiid does not like to defend bigs that shoot, it's not in his comfort zone, that's issue with most bigs nowdays. But in same time Bamba does not have physicality to resist Embiid at all, so they both do their own thing with almost no defense.

[basketballRob]

If you want a stat, how about Embiid shot 15-17 at the line and ORL shot 12-16 and I'm not blaming the refs...Congrats to Mo for hitting all of those threes...probably a safe move to stay out of the paint.

I've been a Mo apologist and I'd rather sign him for 10m or less as a situational role player than give him away for a crappy pick or seconds, but I'd most prefer to move him for another young prospect who maybe hasn't clicked yet. Now would probably be the time.

CHA is always mentioned as needing a center...maybe TOR? who else might cut loose a prospect for a chance to have Mo blossom in their environment?

I've suggested Bouknight, Ish, and Richards for Mo and RJ. Getting rid of RJ and later Ross would give plenty of minutes to Bouknight. Ish and Richards aren't fully guaranteed next year.

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[Def Swami]

Pump that value, Mo.

[Knightro]

I went to the game last night in Philly.

-I know I'll be called a hater, but I didn't think Bamba looked all that different than any other game, he just made 90% of his threes instead of 30% of them. He was still pretty bad defensively outside of one small stretch in the late 2nd quarter when Embiid was off the floor and he blocked shots on 3 possessions in a row. And look, there there's no shame in getting lit up by Embiid since he's a legitimate MVP caliber player and he torched everyone who tried to defend him last night. I'm glad Mo made his jumpers, but I'm not reading too much into 7/8 from three since that type of shooting performance happens like twice a year.

-Suggs got into the paint at will and generally looked fine at getting to advantageous spots... but he just missed a ton of easy looks. 9 field goal attempts in the paint is great. Only 2 field goal makes in the paint is far less than great. I love his activity defensively and I think generally he understands what he is supposed to do offensively, but it's a mixture of weak ball handling and lack of touch near the basket that's holding him back. Things seem to be slowing down a bit, but the skill still needs to catch up to the effort and IQ.

-Cole is just totally miscast as a starting point guard on any team, but as it stands right now, he's truly the only healthy ball handler the Magic have with any sort of ability to beat a defender so he pretty much has to be on the ball whenever he's in the game. Hampton and Suggs are just lacking so much off the bounce that Anthony has to be the defacto point guard even if he doesn't have the mentality of defense for it. I literally watched Gary Harris physically move (put both hands on and gently push into a different spot) Anthony into different defensive positions when it was clear Cole was about to botch a rotation or not be in the proper place to close out/contest.

-Is Chuma slowly but surely coming out of his horrific shooting slump? He's made 13/28 threes (.464) over in his last 5 games. If he wants any hope of getting a second contract with the Magic, he has to start making threes more consistently.

-I'm concerned the losing is wearing on Franz. Perhaps I'm reading into body language too much, but he seemed to really take bad plays and big runs by the other team a lot harder than everyone else. He also seemed to get more frustrated than everyone else at bad calls. I still love him immensely, but teams are slowly starting to play him to drive and daring him to shoot.

-I hope Hampton is ok. He was literally screaming like his season was over, but then he got up and walked to the back without assistance. So hopefully he was just scared and not screwed.

All in all, fun game. The Sixers fans absolutely adore Embiid and would kill for the guy. Understandably so.

[jonbob17]

What star?

The same star that his GM is expecting a king’s ransom for. Say what you want about his attitude and his allergic reaction to open layups in the playoffs but he would carry this team into the playoffs (if we were healthy).

I would take Simons on this team, still very young and matches the timeline for the rebuild. However, the Magic have nothing to offer the Sixers.

I think the Magic could get Simmons if they wanted to. Doubt Simmons would be happy here.

Example:
Magic Send Suggs and a pick to Portland, Portland sends Dame to Philly, Philly sends Simmons to Orlando and filler and picks to Portland

we can't get a deal done directly with Philly, but i doubt anybody can at this point. It's not going to happen with Simmons, but we should have the young guys and picks to get nearly any disgruntled star.

[KillMonger]

another note, watching the philly broadcast....NOTHING was bleeped out or censored....you could hear every F#$k!!! that hampton was screaming out in pain

[tooler]

-I'm concerned the losing is wearing on Franz. Perhaps I'm reading into body language too much, but he seemed to really take bad plays and big runs by the other team a lot harder than everyone else. He also seemed to get more frustrated than everyone else at bad calls. I still love him immensely, but teams are slowly starting to play him to drive and daring him to shoot.

I don't know about the losing wearing on him. That just sounds like random speculation. He's always worn his heart on his sleeve and gets emotional about the game.

This whole season has been about other teams taking things away from Franz and he's responded to all of them with something else in his bag of tricks. I think WCJ coming back might open up the paint for him a bit more again, but we all know his full potential will unlock when he starts nailing 3s. Fortunately he starts from a much higher floor there, so we're not hoping and praying some long-limbed athlete with broken mechanics will eventually learn to shoot.

It could also be the coaching staff telling him to shoot more. It's a development season after all. Either way, if he did nothing this summer but shoot 3s, I think it'd be time well spent.