2021-2022 Regular Season Game 47: Los Angeles Lakers (22-23) at Orlando Magic (8-38) - 1/21/22 at 7pm ET

[Xatticus]

Franz has been playing worse since Cole came back too. It's like Cole got jealous of his attention and froze him out of the offense.

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It seems to me that Anthony has been moving the ball around more lately. He is also putting in more effort in his on-ball defense. His shot selection is still poor. His decision-making is still bad. And his off-ball defense is atrocious.

The biggest hindrance to our ball movement right now is Okeke. He shoots damn near every time he touches the ball.

I thought Franz played well last night, but you can’t expect him to facilitate as much with Anthony and Suggs out there. The Lakers made it tough on Franz, but he still managed to make some plays and he had a couple gorgeous passes.

Regarding Anthony, I agree. His efficiency has fallen off a cliff since he returned from injury. I think it's a combination of regression to the mean, perhaps playing through injury, WCJ being in and out of the lineup, and/or a renowned focus on trying to be better as a facilitator and defender.

One of the reasons I tend like Anthony is that I think he's coachable and has good insight into his weaknesses. Whether he can actually overcome those is a whole other story, but you have to start with some level of insight and desire to get better.

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I think the coaching staff is challenging Anthony to be better as a facilitator and defender. And for someone who is wired to be score first his entire life, that can be a little upending. I think he's proven he can score 20 ppg if he wants to, and we can lose 70% of our games. But, if he wants to be a winning player on a winning team, which I believe he does, there are things he has to get better at. And I think Anthony knows that. His dad definitely knows that. And the Magic coaching staff know that. If his offensive prowess takes a step back while he tries to commit more on defense and learn how to facilitate, in a lost season, I think that's okay.

He had a sequence earlier in the 4th quarter of that same game where he gave up a backdoor dunk to Josh Jackson because he wasn't paying attention, launched a 30+ foot 3-point attempt, and then gave up an uncontested 3 to Saben Lee the next time down the floor because he, again, wasn't paying attention.

I don't want to harp on this sort of **** because I'll just get labeled a hater. He's just a really bad basketball player right now. I stop short of attacking his character though, because I don't know him. I don't know what makes him go. Perhaps he has just never been taught how to play basketball. It's unfortunate that you get to this level and don't know the basics, but it is what it is.

People have been attacking him since his return because his shots haven't been falling, but regression always should've been the expectation. He just doesn't have a good track record as a shooter. He seems to be reining in his game though. He is cutting out some of the more egregious decisions and he had a few good defensive possessions last night. He actually got low and shut down penetration by Westbrook when nobody else seemed capable. There are obvious limitations with him and he is lost when defending away from the ball, but that's a start. It tells me that the coaches are talking to him and some of it is getting through. To me, that's progress.

[The Real Dalic]

Yo do you stream on Twitch?

No. Why do you ask?

There is a streamer on Twitch in the central Florida area that calls stuff doo-doo butter all of the time.

Oh, Idk who that is. My friends and I just use that word from time-to-time.

[swarlesbarkley]

Holy crap. Last 3 pages are filled with people trying to convice themselfs that Suggs is doing "fine". No, he is not. His 36-25 shooting split on 46% TS is actually historiclly awful.

This is list of all nba rookies, since 2013 to 2021 who also fit criteria of: minimum 15 games played, mimimum 15 min played a game, usage above 24% and true shooting percentage below 48%:
Jalen Suggs
Dennis Smith jr
Emanuel Mudiay

That's the list.

Guess who has most turnovers and worst assist to turnover ratio among them?

Guy struggles. That's objective fact and reality.

And in same time, and i'm guilty part on that one, there is complete Cole slander. Cole Anthony, for all his shortcommings, is still rotation nba player. Suggs, without mark of "5th overall pick" would probably not even be in rotation.

A guy as good defensively as Suggs will always have a place in the league.

He's been awful on offense for sure, but for me it's obvious he has much more potential than Cole. Cole is an undersized scorer who is forced to play PG even though his playmaking isn't good. He's well below average at everything except scoring and even as a scorer his efficiency is quite poor (he's down to 51.7 TS% this season and his FG% has dipped below 40%).

Place, sure. But we talk about 5th overall pick vs guy who was drafted outside lottery, who is basically same age as Suggs.
Cole's efficiency went to garbage, and i understand and agree with notion he has no business taking as many shots he did in past. Matter of fact ,you can look Cole last year and summer threads where i said almost every nba player would be 20 ppg player if he had green light to do what Cole does.
That being said, Cole sits at 47% eFG and averages 6 apg on 2,8 turnovers.
Suggs sits at at 41% eFG and averages 4 apg on 3,4 turnovers.

6% in EFG would be difference between Cole Anthony and Steph Curry ( currently at 54% eFG) or VanVleet ( 53% eFG). That's right now how much there is gap in efficiency between them.

I'm not closing doors on notion that Suggsa can, due his better physical profile, become better offensive player. I'm not sure is it even possible to be worst ( as i noted in first post, he is one of most overused awful rookies in last 15 years on offense).
But there are several issues with him. It's not just notion that he might be Fultz level bad outside shooter, it's fact that he can't handle the ball without watching between his legs or in ball while doing so.

And we talk about defense and PG. Eric Bledsoe had years where he was elite defender. I would never allow Eric Bledsoe to run my team because of it, nor he ever showed he can.

This is how nba offenses and spacing die, with ballhandler being treated like Ben SImmons

When you cut off the score and game clock on an image to prove a point it proves you're trolling hard.

[PrimeThyme]

My favorite Pepe move is when he immediately writes off an early hot streak on a guy he doesn't think is very good like when he suggested Carter isn't actually improving as a 3PT shooter because he happened to be on a cold streak before he hurt his hamstring.

But then when someone else is actually showing signs of improvement in the present, he cites their full year production as his proof they actually stink.

I always laugh when he decides to focus on full year numbers versus when he decides to focus on what the player is doing right now. Whenever it suits his argument best I suppose.

Since Suggs returned from the thumb injury, his TS% is .542. Is that spectacular? Of course not. But it's markedly improved from the .444 TS% he was putting up before he got injured.

We'll see if it lasts, but Suggs has played much better since he returned than he did before he got hurt.

It’s becoming a bit of a schtick for me. I’ve actually always had a level of respect for him as a poster, but now the constant young player bashing and lack of objectivity is all I see in his postings.

I find it funny that Wagner is a player you will never really see him talk about in his posts because he’s objectively the first rookie we’ve had in years who’s game is hard to poke holes in.

[pepe1991]

A guy as good defensively as Suggs will always have a place in the league.

He's been awful on offense for sure, but for me it's obvious he has much more potential than Cole. Cole is an undersized scorer who is forced to play PG even though his playmaking isn't good. He's well below average at everything except scoring and even as a scorer his efficiency is quite poor (he's down to 51.7 TS% this season and his FG% has dipped below 40%).

Place, sure. But we talk about 5th overall pick vs guy who was drafted outside lottery, who is basically same age as Suggs.
Cole's efficiency went to garbage, and i understand and agree with notion he has no business taking as many shots he did in past. Matter of fact ,you can look Cole last year and summer threads where i said almost every nba player would be 20 ppg player if he had green light to do what Cole does.
That being said, Cole sits at 47% eFG and averages 6 apg on 2,8 turnovers.
Suggs sits at at 41% eFG and averages 4 apg on 3,4 turnovers.

6% in EFG would be difference between Cole Anthony and Steph Curry ( currently at 54% eFG) or VanVleet ( 53% eFG). That's right now how much there is gap in efficiency between them.

I'm not closing doors on notion that Suggsa can, due his better physical profile, become better offensive player. I'm not sure is it even possible to be worst ( as i noted in first post, he is one of most overused awful rookies in last 15 years on offense).
But there are several issues with him. It's not just notion that he might be Fultz level bad outside shooter, it's fact that he can't handle the ball without watching between his legs or in ball while doing so.

And we talk about defense and PG. Eric Bledsoe had years where he was elite defender. I would never allow Eric Bledsoe to run my team because of it, nor he ever showed he can.

This is how nba offenses and spacing die, with ballhandler being treated like Ben SImmons

When you cut off the score and game clock on an image to prove a point it proves you're trolling hard.

Feel better?
Since he returned from injury he is 3-14 for 3. Would you guard him?

[pepe1991]

My favorite Pepe move is when he immediately writes off an early hot streak on a guy he doesn't think is very good like when he suggested Carter isn't actually improving as a 3PT shooter because he happened to be on a cold streak before he hurt his hamstring.

But then when someone else is actually showing signs of improvement in the present, he cites their full year production as his proof they actually stink.

I always laugh when he decides to focus on full year numbers versus when he decides to focus on what the player is doing right now. Whenever it suits his argument best I suppose.

Since Suggs returned from the thumb injury, his TS% is .542. Is that spectacular? Of course not. But it's markedly improved from the .444 TS% he was putting up before he got injured.

We'll see if it lasts, but Suggs has played much better since he returned than he did before he got hurt.

My favorite Knightro move is that he jumps on me about "writing player too soon" than when i turn to be correct ,never ever mentions that player again. Remember our arguments about Cam Reddish, Coby White, Mo Bamba? I do.
Took you what? Four years to change opinion on Bamba. SO should i call you out how incapable you were being more objective?
Coby White thing was actually most hilarious example. I kind a slammed doors of him ever being anything but bench player very soon. You LOOOVEED him. You never mentioned him since? What happened?

viewtopic.php?f=25&t=2018724&p=86750238&hilit=white#p86750238

there is link of you drooling over his pefromances. That aged well


During March of last year you proposed trade of Aaron Gordon and Birch for Jarret Culver. How's that holding?


My thing is to not be very high on players that are young... and awful. Your thing is to defend them and never mention them again if it turns out i was right . Difference is that i'm not very high on selective Magic prospects, on Magic forum, so people feel need to defend them and remember what i say. You started to post how underdeveloped Bamba is after four years in nba. I know you understand basketball enough that it was your orginal thought 4 years ago, you just didn't want "provoke" other posters with more objective comments about them ,rather usually just wrote that you need more PT to see more.

This is best viewed through Okeke thrad that i had opened last year. I opened thread at March 24th, writing that he is hawing awful year. Somehow, within next few days, Okeke had few good games and 200 comments were mostly people mocking me and how stupid, dumb, too early to jump a gun am. Now, should i go back and call each and every one of them, including you, how wrong you guys were? No. I just don't give a damn.
Since i joined forum, there have been only 2 players i dissliked with passion. Eflrid Payton and Bamba. I feel comfortable saying i was right from day one about both.
Over time i ended up in endless debates about guys like Okeke, Cam Reddish, Suggs, Fultz, Isaac and many others, but i don't think i missed mark about any of them by much. Or you are going to hold against me that i thought Fultz is mentally broken, and it turned out he is "Just" phyisically broken?

5 games sample size is just so damn random and means nothing. Delon Wright true shooting percentage over last 5 games is 91,3%. Who? who cares? But, once we he gains 5,10,15 games of sample size more, will you again go back and talk about his TS% when it's probably down again? My best guess is not. So , it's very random data.

[KillMonger]

a rookie is as good as he's ever going to be in his first year....and he sucks because he's not good offensively because that's the only part of the game that matters...defense doesn't count for anything

[Skybox]

My favorite Pepe move is when he immediately writes off an early hot streak on a guy he doesn't think is very good like when he suggested Carter isn't actually improving as a 3PT shooter because he happened to be on a cold streak before he hurt his hamstring.

But then when someone else is actually showing signs of improvement in the present, he cites their full year production as his proof they actually stink.

I always laugh when he decides to focus on full year numbers versus when he decides to focus on what the player is doing right now. Whenever it suits his argument best I suppose.

Since Suggs returned from the thumb injury, his TS% is .542. Is that spectacular? Of course not. But it's markedly improved from the .444 TS% he was putting up before he got injured.

We'll see if it lasts, but Suggs has played much better since he returned than he did before he got hurt.

My favorite Knightro move is that he jumps on me about "writing player too soon" than when i turn to be correct ,never ever mentions that player again. Remember our arguments about Cam Reddish, Coby White, Mo Bamba? I do.
Took you what? Four years to change opinion on Bamba. SO should i call you out how incapable you were being more objective?
Coby White thing was actually most hilarious example. I kind a slammed doors of him ever being anything but bench player very soon. You LOOOVEED him. You never mentioned him since? What happened?

viewtopic.php?f=25&t=2018724&p=86750238&hilit=white#p86750238

there is link of you drooling over his pefromances. That aged well


During March of last year you proposed trade of Aaron Gordon and Birch for Jarret Culver. How's that holding?


My thing is to not be very high on players that are young... and awful. Your thing is to defend them and never mention them again if it turns out i was right . Difference is that i'm not very high on selective Magic prospects, on Magic forum, so people feel need to defend them and remember what i say. You started to post how underdeveloped Bamba is after four years in nba. I know you understand basketball enough that it was your orginal thought 4 years ago, you just didn't want "provoke" other posters with more objective comments about them ,rather usually just wrote that you need more PT to see more.

This is best viewed through Okeke thrad that i had opened last year. I opened thread at March 24th, writing that he is hawing awful year. Somehow, within next few days, Okeke had few good games and 200 comments were mostly people mocking me and how stupid, dumb, too early to jump a gun am. Now, should i go back and call each and every one of them, including you, how wrong you guys were? No. I just don't give a damn.
Since i joined forum, there have been only 2 players i dissliked with passion. Eflrid Payton and Bamba. I feel comfortable saying i was right from day one about both.
Over time i ended up in endless debates about guys like Okeke, Cam Reddish, Suggs, Fultz, Isaac and many others, but i don't think i missed mark about any of them by much. Or you are going to hold against me that i thought Fultz is mentally broken, and it turned out he is "Just" phyisically broken?

5 games sample size is just so damn random and means nothing. Delon Wright true shooting percentage over last 5 games is 91,3%. Who? who cares? But, once we he gains 5,10,15 games of sample size more, will you again go back and talk about his TS% when it's probably down again? My best guess is not. So , it's very random data.

I enjoy your "villain" work because you clearly put in the work by providing stats and you seem to know more than a little bit about the subtleties of good bball. My only critique would be that I, personally, would like more proactive ideas...Who WOULD you trade for, invest in, re-sign, etc...just a personal request because I respect your opinions. I'm always looking for realistic ways to get better and your posts seem to be overwhelmingly critical...it's very easy to draw the conclusion that you value 2 guys in the whole NBA and none in college ...feel free to carry on as always, you certainly don't need my OK...I'd just like to hear what you think ORL should do.

[pepe1991]

I don't feel like villain nor i want to play that role. I think team can't just wait lottery in hope talent falls in their laps. Also i think it's foolish to think this team will be much better with Isaac & Fultz back. Maybe few more wins than dreadful 2-17 at home ,but nothing major.
There is also just jarring need for spacing.

But i'm willing to bet everything that outside of some Terrence Ross for poor asset and second round pick, we won't do anything before summer. Last year was busy midseason firesale, because Weltman's seat got hot, now he is once again comfortable doing bare minimum. I'm just interested to see how his ego will handle fact he drafted bust Bamba and is he willing to keep burning money in form exstension to feed own ego.

[Knightro]

My favorite Knightro move is that he jumps on me about "writing player too soon" than when i turn to be correct ,never ever mentions that player again. Remember our arguments about Cam Reddish, Coby White, Mo Bamba? I do.
Took you what? Four years to change opinion on Bamba. SO should i call you out how incapable you were being more objective?
Coby White thing was actually most hilarious example. I kind a slammed doors of him ever being anything but bench player very soon. You LOOOVEED him. You never mentioned him since? What happened?

viewtopic.php?f=25&t=2018724&p=86750238&hilit=white#p86750238

there is link of you drooling over his pefromances. That aged well

During March of last year you proposed trade of Aaron Gordon and Birch for Jarret Culver. How's that holding?

My thing is to not be very high on players that are young... and awful. Your thing is to defend them and never mention them again if it turns out i was right . Difference is that i'm not very high on selective Magic prospects, on Magic forum, so people feel need to defend them and remember what i say. You started to post how underdeveloped Bamba is after four years in nba. I know you understand basketball enough that it was your orginal thought 4 years ago, you just didn't want "provoke" other posters with more objective comments about them ,rather usually just wrote that you need more PT to see more.

Kind of like Trae Young too, right? Guy was destined to be awful forever because of his crappy first month

It's funny though, the link you sent over from November 2020 I was discussing five different young players, all of whom you had written off to some degree after they got off to horrific starts, and 4 of the 5 have improved their scoring efficiency by 8-10% since the first half of their rookie years.

The only one who really plateaued is Culver. But 4/5 isn't bad.

RJ Barrett - 45.6 TS% first half of rookie year, 51.5% current, 53.5% career high - 7.9% improvement
DeAndre Hunter - 50.6 TS% first half of rookie year, 54.6% current, 60.3% career high - 9.7% improvement
Cam Reddish - 42.3 TS% first half of rookie year, 53.7% current/career high - 11.4% improvement
Coby White - 47.8 TS% first half of rookie year, 57.2% current/career high - 9.4% improvement
Jarrett Culver - 41.8 TS% first half of rookie year, current 47.2%, career high 47.6% - 5.8% improvement

I'm sure you're not paying much attention to it, but White, who is still only 21, has steadily improved. He's starting right now with Ball out injured and may very well get a contract to start somewhere this summer too.

And to be clear, this alleged "Gordon for Culver" deal you claim I proposed was primarily to acquire Jaylen Nowell and a future 1st round pick which would have been better haul than the Hampton/1st deal that Magic ended up getting from Denver. Culver and Hernangomez were the Gary Harris equivalent salary matchers who the Magic would also be able to play a lot of minutes to see if there was anything to squeeze out developmentally.

Here's the screenshot.

[pepe1991]

My favorite Knightro move is that he jumps on me about "writing player too soon" than when i turn to be correct ,never ever mentions that player again. Remember our arguments about Cam Reddish, Coby White, Mo Bamba? I do.
Took you what? Four years to change opinion on Bamba. SO should i call you out how incapable you were being more objective?
Coby White thing was actually most hilarious example. I kind a slammed doors of him ever being anything but bench player very soon. You LOOOVEED him. You never mentioned him since? What happened?

viewtopic.php?f=25&t=2018724&p=86750238&hilit=white#p86750238

there is link of you drooling over his pefromances. That aged well

During March of last year you proposed trade of Aaron Gordon and Birch for Jarret Culver. How's that holding?

My thing is to not be very high on players that are young... and awful. Your thing is to defend them and never mention them again if it turns out i was right . Difference is that i'm not very high on selective Magic prospects, on Magic forum, so people feel need to defend them and remember what i say. You started to post how underdeveloped Bamba is after four years in nba. I know you understand basketball enough that it was your orginal thought 4 years ago, you just didn't want "provoke" other posters with more objective comments about them ,rather usually just wrote that you need more PT to see more.

Kind of like Trae Young too, right? Guy was destined to be awful forever because of his crappy first month

It's funny though, the link you sent over from November 2020 I was discussing five different young players, all of whom you had written off to some degree after they got off to horrific starts, and 4 of the 5 have improved their scoring efficiency by 8-10% since the first half of their rookie years.

The only one who really plateaued is Culver. But 4/5 isn't bad.

RJ Barrett - 45.6 TS% first half of rookie year, 51.5% current, 53.5% career high - 7.9% improvement
DeAndre Hunter - 50.6 TS% first half of rookie year, 54.6% current, 60.3% career high - 9.7% improvement
Cam Reddish - 42.3 TS% first half of rookie year, 53.7% current/career high - 11.4% improvement
Coby White - 47.8 TS% first half of rookie year, 57.2% current/career high - 9.4% improvement
Jarrett Culver - 41.8 TS% first half of rookie year, current 47.2%, career high 47.6% - 5.8% improvement

I'm sure you're not paying much attention to it, but White, who is still only 21, has steadily improved and may very well get a contract to start somewhere this summer.

And to be clear, this alleged "Gordon for Culver" deal you claim I proposed was primarily to acquire Jaylen Nowell and a 1st round pick which would have been better haul than the Hampton/1st deal that Magic ended up getting from Denver. Culver and Hernangomez were the Gary Harris equivalent salary matchers who the Magic would also be able to play a lot of minutes to see if there was anything to squeeze out developmentally.

Here's the screenshot.

If you want to, i can find you 5 separated times ( at least) where i'm saying i was wrong about Young. I have no issues admitting clear mistakes. But also i was on a record saying i would draft Fox and fighted any Payton comparisons. I liked Moran over Zion. You can search my history before draft and saying i don't see how Zion will stay healthy with that weight. Normally i don't go around and brag when i'm right, especially when it has nothing to do with Orlando, on Orlando forum. But every few months somebody has to remind me about Traaaaaaaaaae Young. Hilarious.

The only one who really plateaued is Culver. But 4/5 isn't bad.

Hilarious part is that i never said anything about Barret and Hunter. Matter of fact, i praised Hunter on multiple occasations that year You cherrypicked back then your own examples, now you go back and brag about being right, despite fact argument was only about White. Who, to this date, isn't nba level starter ( nor he plays starter when Lavine is healthy).
But even most hilarious part about argument you created than put in my mouth to argue against my imaginary " argument" is that not a single player from your list, today, is hitting league's average in efficency, by TS%

And to be clear, this alleged "Gordon for Culver" deal you claim I proposed was primarily to acquire Jaylen Nowell and a 1st round pick

ahh, bench player from Minessota and draft pick Minessota doesn't own Since they traded it for Russell year before your comment and therfore they would not be able to surrender 2022 pick.
So it would be trade around Gordon for... draft bust and some guy, who is , btw free agent as second round pick this year anyway.

I never ever said rookies don't improve. What i always say is that player development isn't miracle work and that most rookies just expend their game based on skills they currently have. It is very rare to see young player adding something to his game later, that he showed zero capability of doing as rookie. Mostly because rookie in nba, at age of 20, already has 10-12 years of basketball experience and coaching. And nowdays, more than ever, most of young kids have personal trainers so it's not like they play street basketball and were never guided and coached before. I have kids in my gym who are 12 and who hire professional coaches for their sport.

[Knightro]

Hilarious part is that i never said anything about Barret and Hunter. Matter of fact, i praised Hunter on multiple occasations that year You cherrypicked back then your own examples, now you go back and brag about being right, despite fact argument was only about White. Who, to this date, isn't nba level starter ( nor he plays starter when Lavine is healthy).
But even most hilarious part about argument you created than put in my mouth to argue against my imaginary " argument" is that not a single player from your list, today, is hitting league's average in efficency, by TS%

You may want to double check your numbers. Since you insist on putting so much emphasis on White, I must point out that .557 is the current league average TS% this season. White is at .572. Seems like he's above league average efficiency to me.

ahh, bench player from Minessota and draft pick Minessota doesn't own Since they traded it for Russell year before your comment and therfore they would not be able to surrender 2022 pick.
So it would be trade around Gordon for... draft bust and some guy, who is , btw free agent as second round pick this year anyway.

Check this one again too. Nowell signed a 4-year deal with Minnesota. They have a team option for next season at 1.9M that they are obviously going to pick up. And Nowell is clearly better than Hampton and less than 2 years older. Wouldn't you rather have him as a SG prospect than RJ at the moment? I would.

Culver/Davis/Hernangomez were the salary fillers. Culver and Hernangomez were young enough that they could have gotten minutes last year during that tanking stretch. If they showed anything, they could have been retained, if they didn't they could have been let go.

Considering the Magic took a protected 2025 1st from Denver, it stands to reason they'd have been willing to take a 23, 24 or 25 first from Minnesota since Minnesota couldn't deal their 2022 pick.

[TheChaser]

I haven’t posted much lately because I just had another little dude join the world, and this season was already a player building season from the start and I was apparently more mentally prepared for it than I thought. Not taking shots and nothing personal here, but there are a lot of dramatic over reactions and high hopes that are not realistic for the phase a lot of these players are in. I’m actually content with the guys and the building process for the first time since we’ve been trying to have a real team since Dwight left. It’s not a perfect rebuild by any means, but honestly there is FINALLY some player and youth building that is obvious to watch and even though we’re being overly careful with the injuries, there’s no rush this year. We don’t want to have one of this win surges that makes our chance at a high pick lessen either. I think we’re actually on a good path as a whole at the moment.

Congrats on the birth of your son! Also I agree with your post.

Got to commit to this rebuild and strike when the time is right. I also feel that we as fans should want to see tangible improvement from the roster and coaching staff so that we have something positive to build on as we move forward.

Thanks my guy!

[Xatticus]

So Grayson Allen got a game for his foul on Caruso. It seems that THT isn't getting anything, which is very disappointing.

[Skybox]

So Grayson Allen got a game for his foul on Caruso. It seems that THT isn't getting anything, which is very disappointing.

I watched it over and over...absolutely ridiculous disparity. I wanted to climb through the computer to throttle the idiot LAL announcers blaming Suggs for his carelessly aggressive drives to the basket. THT clearly didn't mean to hurt him, but he did...LBJ just pushed a guy who was in the air. If Suggs wasn't so tough and got seriously injured, there's no way that play wouldn't be big news. It's horrific to watch his landing. You could see THT's reaction to the landing was like "Oh s**t, what did I do?"

[OrlChamps2030]

Imagine how boring it would be around here without Pepe