2021-2022 Regular Season Game 80: Cleveland Cavaliers (43-36) at Orlando Magic (20-59) - 4/5/22 at 7pm ET

[drsd]

I know I sound like a broken record but I want to speak it into existence: we need Suggs or Fultz to develop a 3 point shot

If/when this happens, Orlando has its multi-year back court and is a probable title contender in 3-years time.


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[Magic_Kingdom]

I just feel someone will offer him a multiyear deal at near that annual amount... we'll see

That would be an EASY match

why match though?

Yeah I don't get the thinking of paying Bamba $10-12 mil a year. He is the classic addition-by-subtraction guy. If you are trying to win next season, you are better without him. This is how he played in a contract year. If he gets 4 years at $12 million per, what kind of player do we see next season?

[drsd]

Take this starting lineup, only replace Okeke with Jabari Smith and Bamba with Wendell and we have a stew going?

So no Mr. Isaac then.

I would trade Anthony for basically nothing at this point just to be rid of him.

Anthony plus Isaac and the Bulls pick should lead to a nice asset in return.

Fultz-Suggs-Franz-Jabari-WCJ is perfectly fine by me for next year.

The only way a rookie starts next year is if Isaac is shipped and the rookie is a PF. Smith is a guy I would trade Isaac away for to create minutes. Smith screams "next Chris Bosh".

[drsd]

Positivity stat of the game: 120 - 115

Digging deeper.

Orlando only committed 7 TOs and was -4 in TO differential. Coach slept well.
31 friggen Assists. That is a assist/TO ratio of 4.4. Awesome !!!
16/35=45.7 with the 3-ball. WOW!
And 31/58=53.4% with the 2-ball. Nice.

This game was won through offensive wizardry.

[cedric76]

I just feel someone will offer him a multiyear deal at near that annual amount... we'll see

That would be an EASY match

why match though?

10M$ for a player like Bamba is a bargain, 10M$ contracts are easily movable and good assets

[Knightro]

So no Mr. Isaac then.

The only way a rookie starts next year is if Isaac is shipped and the rookie is a PF. Smith is a guy I would trade Isaac away for to create minutes. Smith screams "next Chris Bosh".

I just can’t imagine a scenario where Isaac steps back into a 30 MPG starting role after missing two consecutive full seasons with injuries.

My guess is that he’s going to be worked in slowly and they’ll bring him off the bench and see how he does as a backup at SF, PF and C to try and figure out what role will allow his body and athleticism hold up best now.

If the Magic do make the No. 1 or No. 2 overall pick, I’d bet money that player starts on opening night no matter who it is.

[bigdogdylan5]

I don’t know how anyone can argue against giving Fultz the starting PG job next season and see where it goes. I am not saying he would be a superstar but good lord people saying he isn’t even a starter are off their rocker and might have some confirmation bias.

[basketballRob]

Suggs up to 11th in defensive raptor for players that played over 1233 minutes.

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[pepe1991]

So no Mr. Isaac then.

The only way a rookie starts next year is if Isaac is shipped and the rookie is a PF. Smith is a guy I would trade Isaac away for to create minutes. Smith screams "next Chris Bosh".

I just can’t imagine a scenario where Isaac steps back into a 30 MPG starting role after missing two consecutive full seasons with injuries.

My guess is that he’s going to be worked in slowly and they’ll bring him off the bench and see how he does as a backup at SF, PF and C to try and figure out what role will allow his body and athleticism hold up best now.

If the Magic do make the No. 1 or No. 2 overall pick, I’d bet money that player starts on opening night no matter who it is.

Next year DPOY , MIP, all nba first team, 82 games played, 35 min each, 20-10-5-4.
Hater.

[Bergmaniac]

Mosley tried pretty hard to tank this one but Cleveland are so bad defensively without Mobley and Allen it didn't work. We had 138 ORTG when Cannady and Hampton played as a guard duo and Hampton was the main playmaker, which is extremely embarrassing for the Cavs defense.

Suggs' shot continues to look way off. But on defence the difference between him and someone like Hampton is huge. When he defended Garland, Garland had trouble getting inside. When RJ defended him Garland blew past him every time like he wasn't there.

[KillMonger]

So no Mr. Isaac then.

The only way a rookie starts next year is if Isaac is shipped and the rookie is a PF. Smith is a guy I would trade Isaac away for to create minutes. Smith screams "next Chris Bosh".

I just can’t imagine a scenario where Isaac steps back into a 30 MPG starting role after missing two consecutive full seasons with injuries.

My guess is that he’s going to be worked in slowly and they’ll bring him off the bench and see how he does as a backup at SF, PF and C to try and figure out what role will allow his body and athleticism hold up best now.

If the Magic do make the No. 1 or No. 2 overall pick, I’d bet money that player starts on opening night no matter who it is.

if JI isn't back full bore after a full offseason ready to go then we might as well cut bait...if we land jabari as good as i think he is i don't think he should be starting in front of a fully healthy JI

[yoyojw17]

So no Mr. Isaac then.

The only way a rookie starts next year is if Isaac is shipped and the rookie is a PF. Smith is a guy I would trade Isaac away for to create minutes. Smith screams "next Chris Bosh".

I just can’t imagine a scenario where Isaac steps back into a 30 MPG starting role after missing two consecutive full seasons with injuries.

My guess is that he’s going to be worked in slowly and they’ll bring him off the bench and see how he does as a backup at SF, PF and C to try and figure out what role will allow his body and athleticism hold up best now.

If the Magic do make the No. 1 or No. 2 overall pick, I’d bet money that player starts on opening night no matter who it is.

if JI isn't back full bore after a full offseason ready to go then we might as well cut bait...if we land jabari as good as i think he is i don't think he should be starting in front of a fully healthy JI

Decisions shouldn't be made till clear paths are found. JI would still be the starter in my opinion... and if Jabari shows extreme promise.... then we can pivot. But i feel like a fully healthy JI would definitely make decisions hard. lol

If somehow we retain Mo as well for a good price, we might have one of the best young rotation of bigs in the league. But at some point decisions will have to be made to balance the roster and the team cap. But... that's a good problem to have.

[PrimeThyme]

Suggs up to 11th in defensive raptor for players that played over 1233 minutes.

It's always fun going to the RAPTOR player projections where Suggs is categorized as a great prospect and has a higher 5-year market value than Mobley, Barnes, Green, Giddey, Kuminga, Franz, and literally every other rookie in a historic draft class outside of Cade.

You'd think he was destined for Euroleague with some of the opinions I see regarding him on this board.

[Ralof]

Fultz-Suggs-Franz-Jabari-WCJ is perfectly fine by me for next year.

imo Suggs has to start and being the starter PG,with a SG next to him who can...shoot.

gary harris would be perfect but i don't think will stay,hampton could be an option if they decide to give him space after another summer of work.

fultz if perfect as 6th man,who can bully opposite bench point guards and play with our bench unit at his own tempo.

in any case anthony should be shopped as soon as possible,his presence here at this moment has really no meaning

[Xatticus]

Mosley tried pretty hard to tank this one but Cleveland are so bad defensively without Mobley and Allen it didn't work. We had 138 ORTG when Cannady and Hampton played as a guard duo and Hampton was the main playmaker, which is extremely embarrassing for the Cavs defense.

Suggs' shot continues to look way off. But on defence the difference between him and someone like Hampton is huge. When he defended Garland, Garland had trouble getting inside. When RJ defended him Garland blew past him every time like he wasn't there.

Suggs is always really good at the defensive end. He shut down Garland. He defended Love straight up after a switch. Love tried to overpower him in the post and got stuffed. He also had a really nice box out after a PnR where he held off Brown to let Okeke snag a rebound. And of course he swiped an inbounds pass for an easy fast break opportunity.

[Bensational]

So no Mr. Isaac then.

The only way a rookie starts next year is if Isaac is shipped and the rookie is a PF. Smith is a guy I would trade Isaac away for to create minutes. Smith screams "next Chris Bosh".

I just can’t imagine a scenario where Isaac steps back into a 30 MPG starting role after missing two consecutive full seasons with injuries.

My guess is that he’s going to be worked in slowly and they’ll bring him off the bench and see how he does as a backup at SF, PF and C to try and figure out what role will allow his body and athleticism hold up best now.

If the Magic do make the No. 1 or No. 2 overall pick, I’d bet money that player starts on opening night no matter who it is.

if JI isn't back full bore after a full offseason ready to go then we might as well cut bait...if we land jabari as good as i think he is i don't think he should be starting in front of a fully healthy JI

Fultz looks like a good example of how they will likely reintroduce Isaac. Limited minutes off the bench to start. If the team is shockingly competitive by all star break they could ramp up his role and minutes and maybe bring him back into the SL, but most likely they keep his minutes limited as a half-tank and measure to keep him healthy like so many other teams do lately.

In 24-25 I think they’ll look to get competitive again and by then we’ll know what his body can and can’t handle and roles will be reassessed, imo.

[KillMonger]

I just can’t imagine a scenario where Isaac steps back into a 30 MPG starting role after missing two consecutive full seasons with injuries.

My guess is that he’s going to be worked in slowly and they’ll bring him off the bench and see how he does as a backup at SF, PF and C to try and figure out what role will allow his body and athleticism hold up best now.

If the Magic do make the No. 1 or No. 2 overall pick, I’d bet money that player starts on opening night no matter who it is.

if JI isn't back full bore after a full offseason ready to go then we might as well cut bait...if we land jabari as good as i think he is i don't think he should be starting in front of a fully healthy JI

Fultz looks like a good example of how they will likely reintroduce Isaac. Limited minutes off the bench to start. If the team is shockingly competitive by all star break they could ramp up his role and minutes and maybe bring him back into the SL, but most likely they keep his minutes limited as a half-tank and measure to keep him healthy like so many other teams do lately.

In 24-25 I think they’ll look to get competitive again and by then we’ll know what his body can and can’t handle and roles will be reassessed, imo.

I'm not sure that's the time line but I'm actually hoping to end the tanking next season and try to start winning some games. I hate the phrase culture change but we need one soon. Can't be too comfortable with losing every year, either that or cash in some of the young talent and assets we have for a disgruntled star somewhere.... Maybe spyda Mitchell?

As far as JI is concerned, the season ends this month.... The guys don't usually come back to town until what, September? That's like damn near 5 months.... I would be shocked if he isn't ready to go by the time the season starts

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[Bensational]

if JI isn't back full bore after a full offseason ready to go then we might as well cut bait...if we land jabari as good as i think he is i don't think he should be starting in front of a fully healthy JI

Fultz looks like a good example of how they will likely reintroduce Isaac. Limited minutes off the bench to start. If the team is shockingly competitive by all star break they could ramp up his role and minutes and maybe bring him back into the SL, but most likely they keep his minutes limited as a half-tank and measure to keep him healthy like so many other teams do lately.

In 24-25 I think they’ll look to get competitive again and by then we’ll know what his body can and can’t handle and roles will be reassessed, imo.

I'm not sure that's the time line but I'm actually hoping to end the tanking next season and try to start winning some games. I hate the phrase culture change but we need one soon. Can't be too comfortable with losing every year, either that or cash in some of the young talent and assets we have for a disgruntled star somewhere.... Maybe spyda Mitchell?

As far as JI is concerned, the season ends this month.... The guys don't usually come back to town until what, September? That's like damn near 5 months.... I would be shocked if he isn't ready to go by the time the season starts

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I guess I’m just erring on the side of caution with expectations of a guy who’s missed 2 full seasons with an injury. And unless the wins are necessary to chase a play-in spot, I can see them opting to continue to be cautious with how quickly they rush Isaac back.

I’m with you though, I hope we continue to try to be competitive. I just don’t think we’ll be competitive enough for the team to go all in, for the whole season.