Find our "Guru"...risky trades

[Catledge]

I would rather overpay for either Brogdon or Simons than trade our pick (or trade down) for one of them.

[purpleswordfish]

The idea of Hayward makes a lot of sense. He's probably not going to command much in the trade market as-is and fits the current front office strategy of paying big for part-time players. The Magic committed 25%+ of their cap to two players that played a combined 18 games. Imagine the Magic adding Hayward's $29M to that and having 50%+ of the cap going to part-time players.

Here's something I put in the trade machine that could work. The Magic could maybe even throw in a pick or two since drafted players are usually available to play most games and they're trying to avoid that.

http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=y3vsxnaf

[Skin]

Davis could turn out to be that guy. Ivey i would have grave reservations about (at least during his rookie deal).

I don't understand why anybody likes Davis... especially Magic fans who already have Suggs. Davis shot 30% from 3 this year. Ugh. 0-7 against Iowa St and 0-5 against Michigan St in 2 of the last 3 games he played.

He's a decent C&S shooter who shoots 80% from the FT line. Great shooting touch and decent form. I'd argue that's a better foundation for being a respectable 3pt shooter than Ivey's funky and inconsistent form.

Mathurin or Procida are better bets if you want 3pt % as a top priority.

I like Mathurin too. 3pt isn't be all, end all, but Davis is horrid and would be a terrible Top 5 pick.

[zaymon]

Malcolm Brogdon is available. Hammond drafted him and may like him.

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I would prefer him over overpaying for Mitchell, but we have so many guards right now. I will be positively suprised if Weltman takes care of this mess.

[thelead]

The idea of Hayward makes a lot of sense. He's probably not going to command much in the trade market as-is and fits the current front office strategy of paying big for part-time players. The Magic committed 25%+ of their cap to two players that played a combined 18 games. Imagine the Magic adding Hayward's $29M to that and having 50%+ of the cap going to part-time players.

Here's something I put in the trade machine that could work. The Magic could maybe even throw in a pick or two since drafted players are usually available to play most games and they're trying to avoid that.

http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=y3vsxnaf

Why would we trade a starting caliber big, on a fantastic contract, for a 32 year old SF that has missed a ridiculous number of games over the last few years? And you want to toss in more to ‘make it work’? Weltman has said repeatedly that they’re not going to mortgage the future to build a mediocre team (completely paraphrasing because I don’t remember his wording but you get the gist).

[Skin]

The idea of Hayward makes a lot of sense. He's probably not going to command much in the trade market as-is and fits the current front office strategy of paying big for part-time players. The Magic committed 25%+ of their cap to two players that played a combined 18 games. Imagine the Magic adding Hayward's $29M to that and having 50%+ of the cap going to part-time players.

Here's something I put in the trade machine that could work. The Magic could maybe even throw in a pick or two since drafted players are usually available to play most games and they're trying to avoid that.

http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=y3vsxnaf

Nah, just let Franz continue doing his thing. Hayward is gonna think he's come to be the hero.

[drsd]

I would rather overpay for either Brogdon or Simons than trade our pick (or trade down) for one of them.

The kid from Altamonte has a very active, close family. I can see his motivation to move to Orlando, as it is literally in his name!

,..

[LDNMagic90]

The idea of Hayward makes a lot of sense. He's probably not going to command much in the trade market as-is and fits the current front office strategy of paying big for part-time players. The Magic committed 25%+ of their cap to two players that played a combined 18 games. Imagine the Magic adding Hayward's $29M to that and having 50%+ of the cap going to part-time players.

Here's something I put in the trade machine that could work. The Magic could maybe even throw in a pick or two since drafted players are usually available to play most games and they're trying to avoid that.

http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=y3vsxnaf

I agree that getting Hayward can make sense, but if we have to give up WCJ then we need to not entertain it in my opinion. WCJ is a good big that we have, that has started to regain his confidence again since we picked him up. He is one of the few players we have now that can understand what it takes to win and will contribute towards that once we are competing for the playoffs.

I'm sure there's another player that we can get instead.

[ChosenSavior]

The idea of Hayward makes a lot of sense. He's probably not going to command much in the trade market as-is and fits the current front office strategy of paying big for part-time players. The Magic committed 25%+ of their cap to two players that played a combined 18 games. Imagine the Magic adding Hayward's $29M to that and having 50%+ of the cap going to part-time players.

Here's something I put in the trade machine that could work. The Magic could maybe even throw in a pick or two since drafted players are usually available to play most games and they're trying to avoid that.

http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=y3vsxnaf

Why would we trade a starting caliber big, on a fantastic contract, for a 32 year old SF that has missed a ridiculous number of games over the last few years? And you want to toss in more to ‘make it work’? Weltman has said repeatedly that they’re not going to mortgage the future to build a mediocre team (completely paraphrasing because I don’t remember his wording but you get the gist).

You read that last sentence on OPs post and it reeks of sarcasm tbh...

[Skybox]

I am a glutton for punishment... For all of their firepower, GSW is still vulnerable and undersized. Poole is a stud and Kuminga & Moody are on the launch pad. Wiseman is a big maybe. Draymond can't be expected to lock up the elite bigs game after game-he might be the best, but he's undersized and mortal. Wiggins might be the odd man out, especially given his money-will he be worth (to GSW) what he will command on the open market for his next deal? (I don't think it will match his current deal, but it could be sizable if he's in an environment that allows him to show his whole bag-like ORL).

Wiggins, on the other hand, can easily put up 20 in another situation and, maybe just maybe, his GSW experience has given him a taste for winning basketball played "the right way". Maybe he's ready for a leading role that he wasn't ready for in MIN...Nobody should seriously consider a trade for Jonathan Isaac given his injury history, but he'd be perfect on that squad if healthy. Isaac is a DPOY candidate if he returns to 100% and adds a shot blocking/steals element that even Draymond doesn't. Moving between 4&5, playing with Green and/or Wiseman, even moving to 3 for a big lineup at times. Even in limited minutes, Isaac could be a monster addition in GSW. Wiggins offers a lot more offensively than GSW needs and Isaac offers even more defensively and enough offensively to take GSW up another notch and is young enough to be part of their next iteration with Wiseman, Kuminga, Moody, Poole.

TRoss and Isaac for Wiggins. Wiggins expires in a year, so there is some risk of him walking, but if it's a perfect fit with a young, dynamic team and Coach - maybe you consider it a mutual tryout. Neither team is gutting their roster despite the significance of the two principles...easy to dismiss as "Isaac is hurt, GSW would never...", but maybe they should kick the tires, considering the potential fit.

Fultz/Suggs/MCW-until he retires, I want him as a versatile defender/mentor/3rd PG
Wiggins/Cole/RJ
Franz/Okeke
Jabari or Banchero/M. Wagner
WCJ/Bamba

*I have my concerns about WCJ purely as a Center and hope we can re-sign Bamba or trade our way into the late Lotto for Williams or Duren or Kessler or maybe somebody promisingly similar with a 2rp. ON PAPER, this is awesome for GSW...I know their medical staff would have to take JI into the lab and dissect him to see if he'll ever be JI again, but...putting Cole at SG either completely marginalizes him or brings out the best in him. If his game matures, he could really contribute but I have my doubts.

[tiderulz]

The idea of Hayward makes a lot of sense. He's probably not going to command much in the trade market as-is and fits the current front office strategy of paying big for part-time players. The Magic committed 25%+ of their cap to two players that played a combined 18 games. Imagine the Magic adding Hayward's $29M to that and having 50%+ of the cap going to part-time players.

Here's something I put in the trade machine that could work. The Magic could maybe even throw in a pick or two since drafted players are usually available to play most games and they're trying to avoid that.

http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=y3vsxnaf

Ross is expiring, WCJ looks to be on a good deal for us. Cole and RJ are cheap. why would we want to do that trade, and even throw in a pick on top of that. Charlotte would take that and run

[Skybox]

The idea of Hayward makes a lot of sense. He's probably not going to command much in the trade market as-is and fits the current front office strategy of paying big for part-time players. The Magic committed 25%+ of their cap to two players that played a combined 18 games. Imagine the Magic adding Hayward's $29M to that and having 50%+ of the cap going to part-time players.

Here's something I put in the trade machine that could work. The Magic could maybe even throw in a pick or two since drafted players are usually available to play most games and they're trying to avoid that.

http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=y3vsxnaf

Ross is expiring, WCJ looks to be on a good deal for us. Cole and RJ are cheap. why would we want to do that trade, and even throw in a pick on top of that. Charlotte would take that and run

I think he was being scarcastic...just not very well.

[Bergmaniac]

Mitchell just gets destroyed defensively in the playoffs every year and he's a shameless chucker, I really don't think giving up assets to get him is a good idea.

[jonbob17]

I like the idea but Hayward isn’t it.

I'm not sure either. Brogdon had also occurred to me, but not sure he's really an influencer (maybe just a good player?).

I am not sure if Brogdon is available any more than Hayward. Both have been plagued with injuries recently.

[DiplomaticMagic]

Donovan Mitchell was one of my targets, but if he cant beat a team who's best player is Jalen Brunson, than I dont know if I want that guy. At least I wouldnt trade the farm for him. If its Cole, our pick and some other fillers, sure. But no way to all of Suggs, Franz, picks. The Jazz have been embarrassing.

Another player I looked at was Brandon Ingram, but now hes probably playing his best ball in his most important games. Was kind of hoping, Pelicans would reset again with the Zion mess.

[Kent]

I don't believe "our guy" is in the NBA right now outside of our own team.

I think we're reaching and rushing the process by seriously considering Brunson, Wiggins, Hayward, Sexton, etc.

[Howard Mass]

No need to make a big trade this summer.

Before anything, this team needs to see where they come out of the Lottery.

Then, they need to decide on Mo Bamba.

Even after that, I don't see them making a big deal.

Maybe at The Trading Deadline or next summer.

I do predict this team will be in The Play-In next season.

[drsd]

The idea of Hayward makes a lot of sense. He's probably not going to command much in the trade market as-is and fits the current front office strategy of paying big for part-time players. The Magic committed 25%+ of their cap to two players that played a combined 18 games. Imagine the Magic adding Hayward's $29M to that and having 50%+ of the cap going to part-time players.

Here's something I put in the trade machine that could work. The Magic could maybe even throw in a pick or two since drafted players are usually available to play most games and they're trying to avoid that.

http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=y3vsxnaf

I love how ESPN has Orlando going -10 games with this trade. Orlando only won 22 games. So minus ten is half of the team's win potential. That is spectacularly bad.

This could be a new trade-checker game: make your team as bad as possible.

[Skybox]

The idea of Hayward makes a lot of sense. He's probably not going to command much in the trade market as-is and fits the current front office strategy of paying big for part-time players. The Magic committed 25%+ of their cap to two players that played a combined 18 games. Imagine the Magic adding Hayward's $29M to that and having 50%+ of the cap going to part-time players.

Here's something I put in the trade machine that could work. The Magic could maybe even throw in a pick or two since drafted players are usually available to play most games and they're trying to avoid that.

http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=y3vsxnaf

I love how ESPN has Orlando going -10 games with this trade. Orlando only won 22 games. So minus ten is half of the team's win potential. That is spectacularly bad.

This could be a new trade-checker game: make your team as bad as possible.

I’m guessing the trade robot doesn’t factor much into chemistry or improved health, just current stats…the whole premise of the trade was to find a great “rejuvenation” story…CP3 might’ve been the worst trade value in the league just 3 or 4 years ago, now he’s older and clearly one of the great leaders/winners on a contender….it’s PRECISELY the kind of thread the trade machine wouldn’t get. It involves a little hope & imagination.

[jezzerinho]

Going hard after Tyus Jones in FA would be v interesting.

We'd have to shake out the guards and their roles, but it's no coincide Memphis haven't missed a beat without Ja. Tyus is constantly improving and still not at his peak.

Not flashy but is a proper two way player for someone so small.