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What's next for our guard rotation?

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What's next for our guard rotation? 

Post#1 » by Skybox » Thu May 5, 2022 11:26 am

I think we HAVE to be out of tank mode next season...whether we are any good or not is another topic. Our frontline is interesting, if riddled with questions but I'd like to discuss our guards. I think we have some real talent-just mismatched and redundant. I can make a case for nearly all of them showing much more next year and I could, just as easily go the other way. How does it look and what's the next logical set of moves, in your opinions? What needs to happen to move in the right direction?

Too many point guards or "combo guards" who just don't have much value without the ball in their hands. Or am I wrong?
Fultz, Suggs, Cole Anthony, RJ Hampton...can they co-exist/grow together?

Shooting Guards need to be able to hit threes in this era...don't they?
Gary Harris back? RJ Hampton, TRoss?

Who kills chemistry or has trade value (for now-act fast) or just wants out or is redundant?
-should we move Suggs or Fultz or Anthony for more of what we need?

Is there an overlooked cornerstone in the draft that you pick regardless of current roster? Or a perfect fit (SG)?
-Ivey, Sharpe, Davis, Mathurin, Ogbaji?

Is this the year WeHam hunts big game instead of kicking it down the road with wonderful patience?
-D. Mitchell, Lavine, Oladipo, Sexton, L. Walker, Brunson, GPII, Beal
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Re: What's next for our guard rotation? 

Post#2 » by VFX » Thu May 5, 2022 12:49 pm

I think these questions will be more clear after the draft. Say Orlando earns the pick #4,#5, or #6 and they end up drafting Sharpe or Ivey at the top of their big board. That would mean that someone is going to be moved. The minutes won’t be there for all of them. Maybe the FO decides to make a move in the draft for once and selects a SG mid draft.

I don’t see them moving Suggs after an injury riddled rookie season. Fultz is the likeliest to be moved by the middle of next season for contract reasons. Harris and Ross probably won’t be on the roster for the entirety of next season. Hampton is inconsequential at this point. I’d be surprised if they moved on from Cole despite most fans wanting them to.

I don’t see the FO pushing the chips in this season for an established all-star on a max or near max deal. Orlando doesn’t have the assets or the roster yet. Maybe they attempt to overpay someone in free agency.

Suggs/Ivey would probably be the most interesting back court combination of all the scenarios not involving trades or free agency.

Then again, maybe they don’t even see this as a problem, they select a big, and roll out the same roster +2022 pick regardless of the rotation. Seeing as it’s surprising whenever they make a move whatsoever it’s probably the likeliest outcome.
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Re: What's next for our guard rotation? 

Post#3 » by MartinsIzAfraud » Thu May 5, 2022 2:09 pm

It seems super likely that TRoss is gone come draft night with 32 or 35 & I'd be shocked if this FO doesn't give Harris a deal considering what he showed this past year. There's no way this FO is getting rid of Fultz, that's this FO's Elfrid and they'll go down with the ship if that's what happens. I think we could find a way to surround Fultz with some competent shooters & I'm really hoping we're able to get Jabari because it will open up some more space.

I absolutely hate the way Cole plays but I don't see the FO getting rid of him unless someone wows us with an offer and I don't see that happening. RJ seems to be the one who could be left out but who knows, he has the body for a solid player but he looks erratic and goes 10000 MPH in a bad way.

Our 1/2 spots should rotate Fultz Harris Suggs Cole with RJ as the 5th wheel.
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Re: What's next for our guard rotation? 

Post#4 » by drsd » Thu May 5, 2022 2:18 pm

What's next for our guard rotation?


For me this is fundamentally the most important question for management this off-season. Excellent question!!!!!

As above, until the draft is completed, the question cannot really be tackled though.

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Re: What's next for our guard rotation? 

Post#5 » by tiderulz » Thu May 5, 2022 2:35 pm

MartinsIzAfraud wrote:It seems super likely that TRoss is gone come draft night with 32 or 35 & I'd be shocked if this FO doesn't give Harris a deal considering what he showed this past year. There's no way this FO is getting rid of Fultz, that's this FO's Elfrid and they'll go down with the ship if that's what happens. I think we could find a way to surround Fultz with some competent shooters & I'm really hoping we're able to get Jabari because it will open up some more space.

I absolutely hate the way Cole plays but I don't see the FO getting rid of him unless someone wows us with an offer and I don't see that happening. RJ seems to be the one who could be left out but who knows, he has the body for a solid player but he looks erratic and goes 10000 MPH in a bad way.

Our 1/2 spots should rotate Fultz Harris Suggs Cole with RJ as the 5th wheel.

i wouldnt be opposed at all to using 35 with Ross, and using the saved money to give a deal to Harris (assuming he would want to stay here). I agree that there is some fascination with Cole, and I dont know how he will react to moving to the bench for Fultz.

as for RJ, he is gone in my opinion. He hasnt developed enough to be even a competent bench player. maybe that 13th guy that only comes in during blowouts.
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Re: What's next for our guard rotation? 

Post#6 » by jezzerinho » Thu May 5, 2022 2:51 pm

Surely Ross is gone (tho nothing with WeltHam surprises)
Surely RJ is traded or moved right to the back of the rotation.
Surely Suggs is given more time.

Those are most likely the only moves we can be pretty sure about.

After that I think everything is on the table, or should be. I doubt the FO views Fultz as untouchable, but I bet their value of him is way out of whack with the market, so the result is effectively the same.

There's probably room for one of Cole and Harris on the roster but not both. Otherwise we'll be basically returning the same underperforming unit. Whether by draft or trade, we need an infusion of talent and esp shooting. Bringing Harris and Anthony back closes the door on a move like that, unless they bring in a 2/3 type.
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Re: What's next for our guard rotation? 

Post#7 » by MasterGMer » Thu May 5, 2022 6:13 pm

I think we will draft the BPA.

If it is Ivey and Sharpie, I will still draft them. We need talents even with the Guard Logjam, because no one has stepped up becoming a star we need yet.

We will see.

I am not sure I'd resign Harris.

But we have options
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Re: What's next for our guard rotation? 

Post#8 » by Ralof » Thu May 5, 2022 7:30 pm

you all know what is gonna happens:absolutely nothing.

weham is more than capable of drafting Ivey and still keep the same backcourt.

probably just t.ross will be let go,just cause he demands a trade.
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Re: What's next for our guard rotation? 

Post#9 » by RichCollab » Fri May 6, 2022 12:47 am

Fultz Suggs in starting lineup. Cole first guard off bench. RJ gets garbage time or if someone is out.

If we draft Sharpe or Ivey, I could see Ivey taking a spot in the starting lineup. Sharpe isn’t ready for starting lineup. Cole would be moved.
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Re: What's next for our guard rotation? 

Post#10 » by Knightro » Fri May 6, 2022 1:15 am

TBD on the draft.

If they don't draft a guard, then I'm expecting Fultz/Suggs to start.

If they do draft a guard, then things get VERY murky. They'll need to unload multiple players.
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Re: What's next for our guard rotation? 

Post#11 » by richi_v25 » Fri May 6, 2022 1:25 am

Watching the playoffs this year highlights how badly we need shooters if it were up to me I'd keep Fultz & Suggs and trade everyone else and see how next year plays out, it can't be worse then what we already have. BUT as stated prior Weham is just gonna run it back.
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Re: What's next for our guard rotation? 

Post#12 » by IllMagic04 » Fri May 6, 2022 2:33 am

If we do take Ivey or Sharpe there is a dilemma next year for sure. Just not enough minutes and the concern of how it fits. It needs to at least fit well enough for competitive basketball and development. Can't put guys in situations they can't succeed. Bad for development.

Here's how I see it. Say we're able to draft Ivey. Ross is gone. Harris is probably gone too to play for a contender. So theres minutes at the 2 available. Problem is how it fits. I don't believe Fultz and Suggs can be the starting back court. Just not enough shoting. So we'd have to either start Ivey or Cole along side Fultz. Id rather it not be Cole cause we gotta get him in his proper role to get the best out of him. With Ross gone I hope he becomes our new human torch of the bench. But does a rookie really walk right on and start year 1. I dunno. Not to mention what does that mean for Suggs. The number 5 pick still coming off the bench? Suggs and Cole did not look good together but Im still hopeful. Suggs has to get better as a ball handler otherwise Cole will still be the primary handler off the bench which is just not what I want. All that said I still draft Ivey in a hearbeat and let the chips fall where they may.

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Re: What's next for our guard rotation? 

Post#13 » by Ralof » Fri May 6, 2022 10:03 am

IllMagic04 wrote:If we do take Ivey or Sharpe there is a dilemma next year for sure. Just not enough minutes and the concern of how it fits. It needs to at least fit well enough for competitive basketball and development. Can't put guys in situations they can't succeed. Bad for development.
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No dilemma at all.

Cole Anthony thrown to the moon(as should be even if you do not draft a guard)
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Re: What's next for our guard rotation? 

Post#14 » by Skin » Fri May 6, 2022 10:46 am

Ivey should be #1 on our board. If we got the #1 pick, we should draft Ivey.

Guard Rotation:
PG Markelle Fultz / Cole Anthony
SG Jaden Ivey / Jalen Suggs

Trade:
RJ Hampton, Terence Ross

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