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Ignore BPA. Who fits best? Why?

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Who fits us best?

Jabari Smith
28
60%
Chet Holmgren
9
19%
Paolo Banchero
4
9%
Jaden Ivey
3
6%
Other
3
6%
 
Total votes: 47

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Re: Ignore BPA. Who fits best? Why? 

Post#41 » by VFX » Tue Jun 21, 2022 3:07 pm

From a complete player perspective I would rank them:

1. Chet - Plays both sides of the court. Does everything. (Elite shot blocker)

2. Paolo - More versatile offensively than both Chet and Jabari. Lacking defensive IQ and ability. (Elite passing and playmaking for his position)

3. Jabari - Elite shooter.
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Re: Ignore BPA. Who fits best? Why? 

Post#42 » by ucfmay2000 » Tue Jun 21, 2022 3:17 pm

MagicMatic wrote:From a complete player perspective I would rank them:

1. Chet - Plays both sides of the court. Does everything. (Elite shot blocker)

2. Paolo - More versatile offensively than both Chet and Jabari. Lacking defensive IQ and ability. (Elite passing and playmaking for his position)

3. Jabari - Elite shooter.


Good analysis. Clearly, Chet will be the right pick.
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Re: Ignore BPA. Who fits best? Why? 

Post#43 » by magician4ever » Tue Jun 21, 2022 3:45 pm

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AdamTheGreek wrote:Poll is correct.

Jabari is the best fit. He’s the best worker in the draft, currently has the most NBA-ready body, fills our shooting need badly. Fits very well with Wendell, Franz, and Fultz.
He’s the best who can play switchable defense.
He can shoot and turnaround jumper defenders like Dirk/Rashard. That is an elite post-up skill even if he’s not backing defenders up like a traditional big. There’s mismatch exploitation opportunities. I’m not worried about the lack of scoring in the paint at Auburn, that’s not what they wanted him to do. Plus, we have Wendell for that:

Chet is a great help blocker, but so is Bamba. No one confuses Mo to be a good overall defender. Chet has a better BBIQ but he also struggles with true athletes. I don’t need Jabari to block a million shots if he stays in front of perimeter players with his crouching Gianni-like defensive stance and prevents dudes from driving into the paint entirely.

Jabari or Paolo is the best player available. Paolo you can argue does some things similar to either Franz or Wendell (not a bad thing, but that hurts his ‘fit’ case) more so than Jabari. But Paolo is viewed as a definite alpha scorer (more so than Jabari at the moment who I think will be as well because dribbling isn’t that tough to teach) which is the other big fit need we have.
Paolo looks lighter than 250 now. He’s more mobile than given credit for and Julius Randle comparisons are completely wrong. He’s somewhere on the Jabari Parker-Jayson Tatum scale. And Parker would’ve been great too if not for the injuries.

how is that quantified? because by every report, Chet is a workout warrior too. Im sure many other players putting in the work too. and Chet more than a "help blocker", he goes chest to chest against big men. Watch him vs Duren in the tournament.


Yeah.. while I could see people making a case for Jabari being the best fit, there’s no real basis for the claim that Jabari is the best worker. Gonzaga had to limit Chet’s time in the weight room because he was in there constantly. His on court workouts are also extensive. If anything, he’s more of a student of the game than Jabari, who in his own words learned most of his moves based off his father’s game footage. Chet literally puts on a virtual reality headset of playoff games and simulates what he would do differently defensively. His work ethic is insanely impressive. There’s a reason why Mike Schmitz says the work he puts in is maniacal and is someone we could talk about for decades. I personally think Chet is this draft’s best player at the top and am surprised he is not consensus #1.
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Re: Ignore BPA. Who fits best? Why? 

Post#44 » by basketballRob » Tue Jun 21, 2022 3:50 pm

We were second to last in 3-pt. shooting and are top two 3-pt. shooters are free agents. Jabari is the obvious best fit.

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Re: Ignore BPA. Who fits best? Why? 

Post#45 » by yoyojw17 » Tue Jun 21, 2022 3:52 pm

DiplomaticMagic wrote:They all fit really well, but I would say Chet is best fit, because he fits on both offense and defense.

The Cole, Suggs, Franz, Bamba and WCJ lineup was successful this year. I remember it being one of the best lineups earlier in season. And you are replacing Bamba with a much superior player who can do everything he does but better.

Jabari and Banchero are great fits too but I just worry about the defense ends next to WCJ. Chet would be perfect next to Wendell. But than again, so will Jonathan Isaac.


If Jaden Ivey is the pick... Isaac will have to come back healthy as possible. That would be an exciting lineup to watch!
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Re: Ignore BPA. Who fits best? Why? 

Post#46 » by Xatticus » Tue Jun 21, 2022 6:53 pm

MagicMatic wrote:From a complete player perspective I would rank them:

1. Chet - Plays both sides of the court. Does everything. (Elite shot blocker)

2. Paolo - More versatile offensively than both Chet and Jabari. Lacking defensive IQ and ability. (Elite passing and playmaking for his position)

3. Jabari - Elite shooter.


I wouldn't really characterize Paolo's offensive game as versatile. He is a guy you can give the ball to on any possession and ask him to make something happen. Almost every time he touches the ball, the possession resets. He doesn't do any of his work before he is in possession, which is frustrating to my eyes. I wonder whether or not he is a guy that can be valuable outside of that role or if you are just going to have to let him dominate a lot of possessions to make him useful.

To that end, I believe Chet is the best fit. He is the guy that has done it. He filled a role alongside Jalen Suggs in high school and he did the same alongside a talented cast at Gonzaga.

Jabari has some of the skills you look for in a complementary piece, but he has to prove that he can accentuate the skills of those around him, which he didn't really do at Auburn.
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Re: Ignore BPA. Who fits best? Why? 

Post#47 » by zaymon » Tue Jun 21, 2022 7:02 pm

Xatticus wrote:
MagicMatic wrote:From a complete player perspective I would rank them:

1. Chet - Plays both sides of the court. Does everything. (Elite shot blocker)

2. Paolo - More versatile offensively than both Chet and Jabari. Lacking defensive IQ and ability. (Elite passing and playmaking for his position)

3. Jabari - Elite shooter.


I wouldn't really characterize Paolo's offensive game as versatile. He is a guy you can give the ball to on any possession and ask him to make something happen. Almost every time he touches the ball, the possession resets. He doesn't do any of his work before he is in possession, which is frustrating to my eyes. I wonder whether or not he is a guy that can be valuable outside of that role or if you are just going to have to let him dominate a lot of possessions to make him useful.

To that end, I believe Chet is the best fit. He is the guy that has done it. He filled a role alongside Jalen Suggs in high school and he did the same alongside a talented cast at Gonzaga.

Jabari has some of the skills you look for in a complementary piece, but he has to prove that he can accentuate the skills of those around him, which he didn't really do at Auburn.


Banchero was used as an on ball 1vs1 creator at Duke but he was also in 88th percentile as a cutter, 88th percentile as a roll man, 87 th percentile as a offensive rebounder and solid spot up shooter. For me its mindset thing, but at least he has the ability unlike Jabari
My money is on Banchero going number 1 !
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Post#48 » by Xatticus » Tue Jun 21, 2022 7:13 pm

basketballRob wrote:We were second to last in 3-pt. shooting and are top two 3-pt. shooters are free agents. Jabari is the obvious best fit.

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We filled our rosters with shooters in the past and we were always a poor 3-point shooting team.

The 2016/17 roster had:
Fournier
Ross
Ibaka
Meeks
Vucevic
Hezonja
Watson
Augustin

Most of those dudes did nothing well except for shooting, but the team finished 29th in 3-point efficiency.

A good offense is an offense that consistently generates good shots. Everyone becomes a better shooter in that environment. Do you believe that Wiggins suddenly became a much better shooter in Golden State? Luka Doncic's scoring efficiency is not special. His ability to generate good shots for teammates is special.

I'm not advocating against JSJ, but the argument can't possibly be MOAR SHOOTING FTW!!! That's a lesson we should've learned by now.
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Re: Ignore BPA. Who fits best? Why? 

Post#49 » by VFX » Tue Jun 21, 2022 7:42 pm

Xatticus wrote:
MagicMatic wrote:From a complete player perspective I would rank them:

1. Chet - Plays both sides of the court. Does everything. (Elite shot blocker)

2. Paolo - More versatile offensively than both Chet and Jabari. Lacking defensive IQ and ability. (Elite passing and playmaking for his position)

3. Jabari - Elite shooter.


I wouldn't really characterize Paolo's offensive game as versatile. He is a guy you can give the ball to on any possession and ask him to make something happen. Almost every time he touches the ball, the possession resets. He doesn't do any of his work before he is in possession, which is frustrating to my eyes. I wonder whether or not he is a guy that can be valuable outside of that role or if you are just going to have to let him dominate a lot of possessions to make him useful.

To that end, I believe Chet is the best fit. He is the guy that has done it. He filled a role alongside Jalen Suggs in high school and he did the same alongside a talented cast at Gonzaga.

Jabari has some of the skills you look for in a complementary piece, but he has to prove that he can accentuate the skills of those around him, which he didn't really do at Auburn.


Chet is BPA to me at this juncture. It still all depends on how Orlando utilizes him.

Paolo is a 3-level scorer that can be a playmaker. However, he does dominate possessions on an extremely talented Duke squad. There are so many examples of those kind of players that I would rather not be in Orlando. For as good a passer as he is, he’s still a black hole on offense. People are already not too happy about Cole. Just wait when there is a 6’10 version of him. Maybe if Orlando had different pieces around him he would make more sense.

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