Player Rumor: 3 Team Trade for Dwight

[Hon-essim]

Yeah but the same can be said for the NJ trade except that they have youth.

I wouldn't compare him to J-Rich though. K-Mart decided a long time ago that he wanted to be a chucker because that is what gets him in the starting spot.

J-Rich does it because he plays in Nash's system without the capability to do anything else so he relied on getting hot. Over-achieved for a year then gets traded to Orlando and was totally out of sync.

It's really Parsons + Bynum that evens things out. Even if Parsons become a role player, as long as he's good, that's one youth that can fill Orlando's position long term. This team is so bad it really needs this kind of depth. It's why JJ won't be as valuable in other teams but in Orlando, he can miss all his threes and you still have to play him.

Brooks on the other hand to me is like a Jarvis Hayes trade. If he turns out EXTREMELY good, you win. But if you're not, you're stuck with him. What you see is what you get. His strength is purely in his scoring which is bad if things turn out bad because this guy will be the one responsible for keeping you in mediocrity and now you're either forced to trade Brook or totally rebuild a roster that can not only fill up Lopez's weakness but also compliment Lopez as opposed to the rest of your roster because he's the guy that's going to shoot all those jump shots and won't be able to compliment Ryno.

[Hon-essim]

Btw I wouldn't hate on the Nets yet. The shortcoming could be filled by a 4 team trade especially the Nets depending on how willing they are on giving up Deron.

Obviously the details might change and this would be pushing it but if LA manages to get Scola + Deron, Houston gets Brook + Pau, Nets get Dwight, ORL gets Parsons + Bynum...all sides balances out more. It would be a mess to offer though. Just saying that the Nets may be the key to making the LA deal a less than ideal trade for them but still something that the Lakers would definitely want.

Wut?

The nets aren't trading deron Williams before Dwight signs a new contract w/ someone

Of course they're not but that doesn't mean you can't put pressure on them to do so with trade attempts like these that could potentially lose them Howard.

Howard by far > anything Deron can bring long term if you don't nab Howard.

[ADRajX]

Yeah but the same can be said for the NJ trade except that they have youth.

I wouldn't compare him to J-Rich though. K-Mart decided a long time ago that he wanted to be a chucker because that is what gets him in the starting spot.

J-Rich does it because he plays in Nash's system without the capability to do anything else so he relied on getting hot. Over-achieved for a year then gets traded to Orlando and was totally out of sync.

It's really Parsons + Bynum that evens things out. Even if Parsons become a role player, as long as he's good, that's one youth that can fill Orlando's position long term. This team is so bad it really needs this kind of depth. It's why JJ won't be as valuable in other teams but in Orlando, he can miss all his threes and you still have to play him.

Brooks on the other hand to me is like a Jarvis Hayes trade. If he turns out EXTREMELY good, you win. But if you're not, you're stuck with him. What you see is what you get. His strength is purely in his scoring which is bad if things turn out bad because this guy will be the one responsible for keeping you in mediocrity and now you're either forced to trade Brook or totally rebuild a roster that can not only fill up Lopez's weakness but also compliment Lopez as opposed to the rest of your roster because he's the guy that's going to shoot all those jump shots and won't be able to compliment Ryno.

I'm not disagreeing with anything in this post... I actually agree with most of it.

Yes the same can be said for the NJ trade, and yes they do have youth... now we're on the same page.

I'm not in favor of the NJ trade still, but if you put a gun to my head and told me to pick a trade between Bynum/K-Mart/Parson/pick vs Lopez/Brooks/filler/picks... I'd easily take NJ's deal... the NJ trade is better than this LA/Hou nightmare.

But again... I have went on record stating that I dislike the NJ deal, because I don't like Lopez... I don't like his lack of defense or rebounding, and his soft style of play.

I boycott both trades... both are terrible imo (LA/Hou being the worst imo)... either way, Otis will be fired if either one goes down.

Unless you're flipping K-Mart for somone like Ellis, or you're flipping Lopez for someone else that's better... both trades are grade A trash. And I know the Magic are limited in making this decision.. sigh.

[Hon-essim]

Btw the Reggie Miller comparison was because pre-KMart chucking, KMart was nowhere near a shooter much less a sg. That's why he was even more underrated back then.

KMart then tweaked his game to shoot a lot more quickly and sacrificed the rest of his game. That's when he first earned his reputation by being compared to Reggie. It's the big difference between him and JRich. JRich was a streaky dunker who lost his tools and his way until he found it in PHX. KMart always decided to become this type of player regardless whether it helped complete his game or not.

[AntwanBoldin]

Btw I wouldn't hate on the Nets yet. The shortcoming could be filled by a 4 team trade especially the Nets depending on how willing they are on giving up Deron.

Obviously the details might change and this would be pushing it but if LA manages to get Scola + Deron, Houston gets Brook + Pau, Nets get Dwight, ORL gets Parsons + Bynum...all sides balances out more. It would be a mess to offer though. Just saying that the Nets may be the key to making the LA deal a less than ideal trade for them but still something that the Lakers would definitely want.

Wut?

The nets aren't trading deron Williams before Dwight signs a new contract w/ someone

Of course they're not but that doesn't mean you can't put pressure on them to do so with trade attempts like these that could potentially lose them Howard.

Howard by far > anything Deron can bring long term if you don't nab Howard.

Trading for Howard doesn't mean you will Then sign Dwight Howard. He Will opt-out and test the market under every scenario. Even if he's traded to his #1 choice the nets

[ADRajX]

Btw the Reggie Miller comparison was because pre-KMart chucking, KMart was nowhere near a shooter much less a sg. That's why he was even more underrated back then.

KMart then tweaked his game to shoot a lot more quickly and sacrificed the rest of his game. That's when he first earned his reputation by being compared to Reggie. It's the big difference between him and JRich. JRich was a streaky dunker who lost his tools and his way until he found it in PHX. KMart always decided to become this type of player regardless whether it helped complete his game or not.

I got you now ... yeah I was making the comparisons in respect to both player's careers NOW (J-Rich lost his athleticism, he's 30-31yo, and now all he does is just shoot... he used to dunk a lot and score a lot more... and J-Rich can't drive, because his handles are shot... Martin isn't that athletic, never was, but he doesn't handle or make great passes/assists very much... and all he does is shoot as well like J-Rich... that's why I made the comparisons between both NOW in their respective careers)... obviously when both players were younger and in different systems, they had very different styles of play at SG. I actually liked K-Mart when he was younger, playing in Sacramento... he just never added more to his game... and it's showing in Houston as he's leaving his prime.

[Hon-essim]

Trading for Howard doesn't mean you will Then sign Dwight Howard. He Will opt-out and test the market under every scenario. Even if he's traded to his #1 choice the nets

True but that rarely happens because the value of the player would be doubly low by then. That's why some teams' fans often love to imagine this idea of renting out a player. It's much easier keeping a player when you have him than when you don't. Orlando is the exception.

Even for the superstar trades that have occurred before, Orlando is the one that gets negative rep because of the name "Otis Smith". Even in Cleveland, Dan Gilbert has some fans and many credit the many good things he did considering the position he was put in. Otis on the other hand looks worse and worse.

[The Real Dalic]

Yeah but the same can be said for the NJ trade except that they have youth.

I wouldn't compare him to J-Rich though. K-Mart decided a long time ago that he wanted to be a chucker because that is what gets him in the starting spot.

J-Rich does it because he plays in Nash's system without the capability to do anything else so he relied on getting hot. Over-achieved for a year then gets traded to Orlando and was totally out of sync.

It's really Parsons + Bynum that evens things out. Even if Parsons become a role player, as long as he's good, that's one youth that can fill Orlando's position long term. This team is so bad it really needs this kind of depth. It's why JJ won't be as valuable in other teams but in Orlando, he can miss all his threes and you still have to play him.

Brooks on the other hand to me is like a Jarvis Hayes trade. If he turns out EXTREMELY good, you win. But if you're not, you're stuck with him. What you see is what you get. His strength is purely in his scoring which is bad if things turn out bad because this guy will be the one responsible for keeping you in mediocrity and now you're either forced to trade Brook or totally rebuild a roster that can not only fill up Lopez's weakness but also compliment Lopez as opposed to the rest of your roster because he's the guy that's going to shoot all those jump shots and won't be able to compliment Ryno.

I'm not disagreeing with anything in this post... I actually agree with most of it.

Yes the same can be said for the NJ trade, and yes they do have youth... now we're on the same page.

I'm not in favor of the NJ trade still, but if you put a gun to my head and told me to pick a trade between Bynum/K-Mart/Parson/pick vs Lopez/Brooks/filler/picks... I'd easily take NJ's deal... the NJ trade is better than this LA/Hou nightmare.

But again... I have went on record stating that I dislike the NJ deal, because I don't like Lopez... I don't like his lack of defense or rebounding, and his soft style of play.

I boycott both trades... both are terrible imo (LA/Hou being the worst imo)... either way, Otis will be fired if either one goes down.

Unless you're flipping K-Mart for somone like Ellis, or you're flipping Lopez for someone else that's better... both trades are grade A trash. And I know the Magic are limited in making this decision.. sigh.

Either way, I'd like to flip one of Lopez or KMart to get better at any position. KMart is probably not as good as he once was, and, Brook is trash defensively. it would obviously be easier to trade Lopez for someone better. but, I'd like having Bynum as a starting point then trading KMart for Ellis and Lee or something like that.

[shortodom]

TSKD000 wrote:

You are right...Scola is a steal for them. Their starters would be...

Nelson/Kobe/Turk/Scola/Howard.

That teams looks kinda familiar....
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And who does Orlando start at pg?

God they'd be mediocre . Capped out and no picks. It'd be purgatory

Steve Blake? Idk his contract situation but i think the Lakers would get rid of Blake just cause everyones scared to bench Fisher and Blake would be the 3 string pg in L.A. if we did get Nelson or another pg.

[The Real Dalic]

TSKD000 wrote:

You are right...Scola is a steal for them. Their starters would be...

Nelson/Kobe/Turk/Scola/Howard.

That teams looks kinda familiar....
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And who does Orlando start at pg?

God they'd be mediocre . Capped out and no picks. It'd be purgatory

Steve Blake? Idk his contract situation but i think the Lakers would get rid of Blake just cause everyones scared to bench Fisher and Blake would be the 3 string pg in L.A.

I wouldn't mind Blake personally.

[dsg2021]

The only way this deal makes any sense is if Lowry came to Orlando and Kmart and Jrich play surprisingly well together, even if one has to sit for a defender earlier than usual like Q, Clark, or Liggins (We can prolly try and also steal CLee or at least Barnes. Or make it more complex and trade again but for a defender).

Lowry's offense could regress but his passing and defense should make him a good core player. Oh, and hope Bynum's 40% games missed a season (and 10% nursing an injury on court) (38% technically on games missed on avg per season) doesnt continue or worsen (esp right after his new max deal..)....

Bynum will come in right away better than Lopez would, but Im imagining a brand new system offense (as Magic vets come off the books) for the Magic with younger players until the Magic have cap for FA's. Lopez and Brooks are like 22 exactly btw, and these scoutings on Lopez as a terrible defender are dumb. He blocks above average and defends at his age at an average/above average level already I think. Brooks is not at his ceiling already either like someone said... And his assist-to rate/efg% doesn't suggest he's a black hole. These are ridiculous statements with players who are 22 and when they start learning SVG's level of demand in performance, they will rebound more, defend more, and play efficient offense. The Nj lotto looks like 6-13 too so there's a shot at 1 and a realistic shot at 8. They're at like 4 projected as of right now. So again, unless Houston is handing out Lowry, I have like 2-4 deals I bet we could do from Dwight that I'd do first. Only the Lowry lineup looks like it makes sense.

Lowry / Nelson
K Mart / JJ Redick
J Rich / Liggins
Ryan / Clark
Bynum / BBD

I wouldnt mind giving up some combo JJ, Q, Von, Clark for Lowry. Turk, Duhon got to go tho, and no point to dump BBD or J Rich tho, we're not able to be improving that above roster with cap space.

Edit: It would be interesting to hear when Orange Ave heard this rumor. Sometimes things move so fast on a day to day basis that it's not likely anymore above a NJ trade that already was agreed to once.

[Bensational]

i wouldn't be surprised if there was a bit of posturing going on right now.

if the Magic are looking to deal Dwight, they'll be using the upcoming deadline to get the Lakers, Nets and even Mavs to play off each other.

if Nets hear that the Magic are going to make this deal, they'll most likely be working the phones like crazy.

[ZeusIsLoose]

So glad we wasted a whole thread on this. I dont buy into people who "spoke to a player, but i wont name who." Really?? Calm the F down people. Why is everyone all of a sudden freaking out about this? Face the facts here: a.) Magic dont like Bynum and have already stated this. he is a HUGE health risk. he had to get injections into his knee during the break and only played 5 min in the all star game. The guy is what 23 now? imagine him in years 28-30. wont even be able to walk. Im sorry but not even "Dumbass Otis" does this. b.) Kevin Martin is decent yes, but hes on the wrong side of 20, having an off year, and his hands are like glue. avgs 2 asst in his career?? Sorry, rather have monta. c.) Chandler Parsons???? Im just gonna say this was thrown in because hes from central florida.

Sorry but unless I hear something from John Denton, Josh Robbins, Ken Berger, Woj, or Zach McCann, im not taking any of this seriously.

[G-Heel]

The only way this deal makes any sense is if Lowry came to Orlando and Kmart and Jrich play surprisingly well together, even if one has to sit for a defender earlier than usual like Q, Clark, or Liggins (We can prolly try and also steal CLee or at least Barnes. Or make it more complex and trade again but for a defender).

Lowry's offense could regress but his passing and defense should make him a good core player. Oh, and hope Bynum's 40% games missed a season (and 10% nursing an injury on court) (38% technically on games missed on avg per season) doesnt continue or worsen (esp right after his new max deal..)....

Bynum will come in right away better than Lopez would, but Im imagining a brand new system offense (as Magic vets come off the books) for the Magic with younger players until the Magic have cap for FA's. Lopez and Brooks are like 22 exactly btw, and these scoutings on Lopez as a terrible defender are dumb. He blocks above average and defends at his age at an average/above average level already I think. Brooks is not at his ceiling already either like someone said... And his assist-to rate/efg% doesn't suggest he's a black hole. These are ridiculous statements with players who are 22 and when they start learning SVG's level of demand in performance, they will rebound more, defend more, and play efficient offense. The Nj lotto looks like 6-13 too so there's a shot at 1 and a realistic shot at 8. They're at like 4 projected as of right now. So again, unless Houston is handing out Lowry, I have like 2-4 deals I bet we could do from Dwight that I'd do first. Only the Lowry lineup looks like it makes sense.

Lowry / Nelson
K Mart / JJ Redick
J Rich / Liggins
Ryan / Clark
Bynum / BBD

I wouldnt mind giving up some combo JJ, Q, Von, Clark for Lowry. Turk, Duhon got to go tho, and no point to dump BBD or J Rich tho, we're not able to be improving that above roster with cap space.

Edit: It would be interesting to hear when Orange Ave heard this rumor. Sometimes things move so fast on a day to day basis that it's not likely anymore above a NJ trade that already was agreed to once.

No way Houston will give up Lowry, Martin, and Scola for Pau Gasol. I doubt they would even trade Lowry for Gasol straight up, so don't keep your hope high.

[AdamTheGreek]

Good to have you back, Orange.

I really don't want the Magic doing stupid **** for coke loving Gators.

I just don't see this happening. Lakers get too much and there's no point guard upgrade.

Although I would be curious what Kevin Martin could do in the playoffs. Hasn't been back there since I was in high school.

[WeAreVenom]

Actually, this was on Twitter last week......

EL HEAT ‏ @The_Ferocious
#NBA Rumors Gasol pa Los #Rockets; Pal #Magic Bynum, Budinger, Scola, Lowry; pa los #Lakers D. Howard, Turkoglu y Nelson

Which is basically: Gasol to Rockets, Bynum/Budinger/Scola/Lowry to ORL, and Howard/Hedo/Jameer to LA......

I like that return much better, lol. But, does Houston want Gasol that bad? I doubt it.

[BadMofoPimp]

I scoured the internet this morning and there was not a single rumor about a Dwight trade in the past two days except that the Warriors are trying to get him.

As if a player would only tell one person, a basketball fan at that. If it was anything close to true, there would be leaks by now.

All else sounds like BS to me.

[ShowTimeERA]

Just of curiosity, do you guys know Bynum is only 24 years of age.

[BadMofoPimp]

Just of curiosity, do you guys know Dwight is only 25 years of age.

Fixed

[Cigamodnalro]

Just out of curiosity, did you guys know Steve Nash is 38 years of age?