Orlando Magic Free Agency Guide (Cap Info UPDATED page 37)

[pepe1991]

FA targets: NOT Harrison Barnes, my God what a hype about such an average role player

[cedric76]

I just hope we don't spend much money if we miss on kd

A day trade with Atlanta for millsap maybe

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[Young Thunder]

I can see Henny targeting Horford, Noah and Parsons

And Skiles asking for a C like Whiteside or Sanders.

[cedric76]

I can see Henny targeting Horford, Noah and Parsons

And Skiles asking for a C like Whiteside or Sanders.

Skiles asking for Whiteside? No chance, Scott would kill him

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[BadMofoPimp]

The problems Whiteside had in the NBA before he went to Miami was that he didn't get along with those hard arse coaches before Spoeastra, who is a nice guy kinda coach. I don't think Whiteside would take well to any Skiles/SVG type of coaching.

[ralphie9898]

First thing I do is recruit the hell out of Whiteside starting at 12:01 midnight and offer him the max. I know this is not a popular decision, but I'm willing to take the risk.

Yeah I am with you on Whiteside. I would make him priority number one. We need his interior D.

I don't think the Magic have any shot at Whiteside. He is even more of a longshot than Durant in my opinion.

Max money offers will be there for him from many teams; plus Miami can offer him higher raises, lifestyle and no state tax.

He is know for having a personality that is all about Hassan all the time. I don't really care about that - but that type of personality is going to want to live in a major city, not in a small conservative family community.

If he was all about winning, I'd say there was a chance as maybe RH can convince him of a future. But he doesn't care about basketball or winning - its just his meal ticket...and that's totally fine, but it again makes Orlando a very unlikely destination for him.

New York, Brooklyn and LA are already preparing offers. At the trade deadline, Lakers were rumored to have tried to trade for him.

I don't have as much trouble with his issues as others do, but I just don't think the Magic have any chance at signing him...but I do think RH at minimum calls his agent to test the water.

yeah I didn't say anything about out our odds to get him. I just said that I would make him priority number one and make a max offer right away. If he takes or not is a big question mark as this will be a tough offseason. Miami is a very real threat to resign him. All i am saying is that it wouldn't hurt to go after him. I do think we have better chances then Brooklyn or New York. LA is a possibility that probably could beat us out. In the end he may not but I am not going to hessitate on trying to get the best we can get. I am not for settling on things that may not help us that much. I will let time due that if that as that tells us what is possible and what is not. I wouldn't sya he is more unrealistic then Durant. Durant is by far more unrealistic. We will see but you never truly know where guys would want to go. Plus we have enough space where we could offer him a chance to play with another very good player and more as we have a lot of young talent that can be kept or traded. We shall see. Orlando is close so he doesn't have to move that far so if he leaves that could be an advantage. If he wants to win Miami may not be able to progress to far in the playoffs and Wade and Bosh aren't getting any younger or healthier. Plus we do have the income tax benefit and yeah I know that only applies to home games or games in other states that have no income tax or games against Miami so it is still a benefit. We shall see.

[ezzzp]

I'm going to start adding player cards to this thread about some of the players that I think might be in Rob Hennigan's cross hairs. This doesn't mean I think he'll offer them a max contract, and it doesn't necessarily mean they are my picks. They are only players that are possible candidates.

THE CANDIDATES: HARRISON BARNES

Restricted Free Agent: Eligible for the Jr. Max = $23m (25% of $92m Estimated Salary Cap)


Basketball-Reference

Barnes did well in the post but struggled attacking set defenses, especially recognizing the second line of help, often driving into crowds. This is still not a particularly strong area of the game for him; Barnes has a decent handle dribbling from side-to-side but does not attack with as much speed off the bounce when he does not have a live dribble, and has only so-so instincts passing out of dribble penetration.

Barnes is not the sort of player who can create for himself and others at this point, and he knew he was miscast in such a role, as he revealed to the Mercury News’s Marcus Thompson a couple of weeks ago. The combination of his limitations as a shot creator and the iffy talent around him resulted in Barnes shooting 27.8% in 97 shots in isolation and averaging only 0.62 points per possession on 97 pick-and-rolls, according to mysynergysports.com.

Basketball Breakdown

1-3 pick-and-rolls have also been used to get Barnes other chances to attack off the catch with a live dribble, aside from defenders running him off the three-point line. He has shot 47.8% on 38 drives so far this season, an improvement from his 38% inefficiency on 223 such attempts last season. 29.5% of his two-point baskets have been dunks, and Barnes has shot 76% at the rim overall, per basketball-reference.

Basketball Breakdown

His interior scoring has been complemented by improved outside shooting, also best explained by context....The release in his shot is not any noticeably quicker, but by playing more time with two of the league’s most respected shooters, Barnes has been open more often and his efficiency on long-range looks have increased as a result. According to NBA.com’s SportVU tracking technology, he is taking roughly 57% of his shots with no defender within four feet of him, an increase of 10% in comparison to last season. With no ball-handling responsibilities and playing alongside a bunch of high end passers, he is taking 38.1% of shots off the catch, and has hit his 48 such three-point attempts at a 43.8% clip. Barnes has taken only four three-point attempts off the bounce and only three with a defender within four feet of him. Maybe only Tony Allen could do poorly with such a recipe.

Basketball Breakdown

Barnes is an athlete with nice shooting touch. He doesn’t have the handle to consistently create off the dribble, well not in traffic against good defenses anyway. But he is better at that and he can finish. He has a nice jumper. He can run a fast break.

“It’s hard when you get the ball in an iso situation and you have a set defense in front of you,” Barnes said. “Very few players in the league can do that. You look at the best – Durant, Melo, those guys – look at what percentage they shoot. And that’s the best of the best, so you can imagine where I’m at. I’m like at 15, 20 percent on isos. To get me with the ball moving, getting me in different spots, playing off other people, that’s more of a strength for me right now. Going straight isos, that wasn’t a strength for me.”

http://blogs.mercurynews.com/thompson/2014/12/05/resurgence-harrison-barnes/

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dDHZkPwEu5w[/youtube]

[ralphie9898]

Imo durant is not leaving westbrook. He signs a 1 and 1 deal like lebron and him and westbrook either stays in okc or leave together for another team.

yeah I totally agree. Plus it just makes economic sense as the cap is going up again next offseason so why not cash in on that rise in max numbers.

I really don't understand why you guys would think they'll stick together. They seem to have a good relationship where they can share the spotlight...but from a pure basketball perspective, they could each do much better. They don't fit together. They are both extremely ball dominant and while they can coexist on the floor, they don't play off of each other well. Contracts aside, I don't see why would they want to stay together after this summer or next. Let's say Durant takes the 1&1 deal and returns to OKC next year....and they don't win the title...again. If you are either of them...why would you want to keep trying the same thing. Isn't that the true definition of insanity? Doing the same thing over and over...and expecting different results? They are two of the NBA's best but they do not work as a unit.

Uh have u been watching or even seeing the numbers because Westbrook is becoming more and more of a true PG and not having to be the man. And even so they still have had tremendous success when both are healthy. And outside of the Warriors the Thunder are one of the best teams so not sure how you can say they don't work together. And it also makes economic sense to sign a one deal as he can take advantage of the rise in cap numbers. Plus if he waits one year then both him and Westbrook can leave.I don't think it is insane if he returns there at all.I would say they are one of the few options for him. OKC, Washington and then Golden State are pretty much it and OKC does make a lot of sense for him. And you are only trying the same thing if that actually happens again and there is no guarantee that it will. These are competitive guys and if anyone has a chance at dethroning the Warriors it is OKC so not sure where the better option is. And most of those options if there are any will likely still be there.

[ralphie9898]

Imo durant is not leaving westbrook. He signs a 1 and 1 deal like lebron and him and westbrook either stays in okc or leave together for another team.

yeah I totally agree. Plus it just makes economic sense as the cap is going up again next offseason so why not cash in on that rise in max numbers.

I really don't understand why you guys would think they'll stick together. They seem to have a good relationship where they can share the spotlight...but from a pure basketball perspective, they could each do much better. They don't fit together. They are both extremely ball dominant and while they can coexist on the floor, they don't play off of each other well. Contracts aside, I don't see why would they want to stay together after this summer or next. Let's say Durant takes the 1&1 deal and returns to OKC next year....and they don't win the title...again. If you are either of them...why would you want to keep trying the same thing. Isn't that the true definition of insanity? Doing the same thing over and over...and expecting different results? They are two of the NBA's best but they do not work as a unit.

Uh have u been watching or even seeing the numbers because Westbrook is becoming more and more of a true PG and not having to be the man. And even so they still have had tremendous success when both are healthy. And outside of the Warriors the Thunder are one of the best teams so not sure how you can say they don't work together. And it also makes economic sense to sign a one deal as he can take advantage of the rise in cap numbers. Plus if he waits one year then both him and Westbrook can leave.I don't think it is insane if he returns there at all.I would say they are one of the few options for him. OKC, Washington and then Golden State are pretty much it and OKC does make a lot of sense for him. And you are only trying the same thing if that actually happens again and there is no guarantee that it will. These are competitive guys and if anyone has a chance at dethroning the Warriors it is OKC so not sure where the better option is. And most of those options if there are any will likely still be there.

[Skin]

First thing I do is recruit the hell out of Whiteside starting at 12:01 midnight and offer him the max. I know this is not a popular decision, but I'm willing to take the risk.

Yeah I am with you on Whiteside. I would make him priority number one. We need his interior D.

I don't think the Magic have any shot at Whiteside. He is even more of a longshot than Durant in my opinion.

Max money offers will be there for him from many teams; plus Miami can offer him higher raises, lifestyle and no state tax.

He is know for having a personality that is all about Hassan all the time. I don't really care about that - but that type of personality is going to want to live in a major city, not in a small conservative family community.

If he was all about winning, I'd say there was a chance as maybe RH can convince him of a future. But he doesn't care about basketball or winning - its just his meal ticket...and that's totally fine, but it again makes Orlando a very unlikely destination for him.

New York, Brooklyn and LA are already preparing offers. At the trade deadline, Lakers were rumored to have tried to trade for him.

I don't have as much trouble with his issues as others do, but I just don't think the Magic have any chance at signing him...but I do think RH at minimum calls his agent to test the water.

Regardless, I would give it my best shot. I hate being such a soft team.

[Mc-o]

Yeah I am with you on Whiteside. I would make him priority number one. We need his interior D.

I don't think the Magic have any shot at Whiteside. He is even more of a longshot than Durant in my opinion.

Max money offers will be there for him from many teams; plus Miami can offer him higher raises, lifestyle and no state tax.

He is know for having a personality that is all about Hassan all the time. I don't really care about that - but that type of personality is going to want to live in a major city, not in a small conservative family community.

If he was all about winning, I'd say there was a chance as maybe RH can convince him of a future. But he doesn't care about basketball or winning - its just his meal ticket...and that's totally fine, but it again makes Orlando a very unlikely destination for him.

New York, Brooklyn and LA are already preparing offers. At the trade deadline, Lakers were rumored to have tried to trade for him.

I don't have as much trouble with his issues as others do, but I just don't think the Magic have any chance at signing him...but I do think RH at minimum calls his agent to test the water.

Regardless, I would give it my best shot. I hate being such a soft team.

Is it soft or is it youth and inexperience ?!

[npiper17]

I'm going to start adding player cards to this thread about some of the players that I think might be in Rob Hennigan's cross hairs. This doesn't mean I think he'll offer them a max contract, and it doesn't necessarily mean they are my picks. They are only players that are possible candidates.

THE CANDIDATES: HARRISON BARNES

Restricted Free Agent: Eligible for the Jr. Max = $23m (25% of $92m Estimated Salary Cap)


Basketball-Reference

Barnes did well in the post but struggled attacking set defenses, especially recognizing the second line of help, often driving into crowds. This is still not a particularly strong area of the game for him; Barnes has a decent handle dribbling from side-to-side but does not attack with as much speed off the bounce when he does not have a live dribble, and has only so-so instincts passing out of dribble penetration.

Barnes is not the sort of player who can create for himself and others at this point, and he knew he was miscast in such a role, as he revealed to the Mercury News’s Marcus Thompson a couple of weeks ago. The combination of his limitations as a shot creator and the iffy talent around him resulted in Barnes shooting 27.8% in 97 shots in isolation and averaging only 0.62 points per possession on 97 pick-and-rolls, according to mysynergysports.com.

Basketball Breakdown

1-3 pick-and-rolls have also been used to get Barnes other chances to attack off the catch with a live dribble, aside from defenders running him off the three-point line. He has shot 47.8% on 38 drives so far this season, an improvement from his 38% inefficiency on 223 such attempts last season. 29.5% of his two-point baskets have been dunks, and Barnes has shot 76% at the rim overall, per basketball-reference.

Basketball Breakdown

His interior scoring has been complemented by improved outside shooting, also best explained by context....The release in his shot is not any noticeably quicker, but by playing more time with two of the league’s most respected shooters, Barnes has been open more often and his efficiency on long-range looks have increased as a result. According to NBA.com’s SportVU tracking technology, he is taking roughly 57% of his shots with no defender within four feet of him, an increase of 10% in comparison to last season. With no ball-handling responsibilities and playing alongside a bunch of high end passers, he is taking 38.1% of shots off the catch, and has hit his 48 such three-point attempts at a 43.8% clip. Barnes has taken only four three-point attempts off the bounce and only three with a defender within four feet of him. Maybe only Tony Allen could do poorly with such a recipe.

Basketball Breakdown

Barnes is an athlete with nice shooting touch. He doesn’t have the handle to consistently create off the dribble, well not in traffic against good defenses anyway. But he is better at that and he can finish. He has a nice jumper. He can run a fast break.

“It’s hard when you get the ball in an iso situation and you have a set defense in front of you,” Barnes said. “Very few players in the league can do that. You look at the best – Durant, Melo, those guys – look at what percentage they shoot. And that’s the best of the best, so you can imagine where I’m at. I’m like at 15, 20 percent on isos. To get me with the ball moving, getting me in different spots, playing off other people, that’s more of a strength for me right now. Going straight isos, that wasn’t a strength for me.”

http://blogs.mercurynews.com/thompson/2014/12/05/resurgence-harrison-barnes/

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dDHZkPwEu5w[/youtube]

Great breakdown - thanks!

Mods - is there anyway to get ezzzp's player breakdown posts pinned to the first page of this thread? Might be easier to find them when this thread has reached 100+ pages come July 1st.

[Skin]

Why are people wanting Barnes? We just freed up room by trading Tobias and now we want to add a guy who plays the same position??? $16M for Tobias was a better deal than $23M for Barnes too.

Not only that, we'd have to use up our free cap space to go for him. At least with Fournier, we can use our cap space on others and then go over the cap to keep him.

[Skin]

I don't think the Magic have any shot at Whiteside. He is even more of a longshot than Durant in my opinion.

Max money offers will be there for him from many teams; plus Miami can offer him higher raises, lifestyle and no state tax.

He is know for having a personality that is all about Hassan all the time. I don't really care about that - but that type of personality is going to want to live in a major city, not in a small conservative family community.

If he was all about winning, I'd say there was a chance as maybe RH can convince him of a future. But he doesn't care about basketball or winning - its just his meal ticket...and that's totally fine, but it again makes Orlando a very unlikely destination for him.

New York, Brooklyn and LA are already preparing offers. At the trade deadline, Lakers were rumored to have tried to trade for him.

I don't have as much trouble with his issues as others do, but I just don't think the Magic have any chance at signing him...but I do think RH at minimum calls his agent to test the water.

Regardless, I would give it my best shot. I hate being such a soft team.

Is it soft or is it youth and inexperience ?!

Pretty much both.

[ralphie9898]

I'm going to start adding player cards to this thread about some of the players that I think might be in Rob Hennigan's cross hairs. This doesn't mean I think he'll offer them a max contract, and it doesn't necessarily mean they are my picks. They are only players that are possible candidates.

THE CANDIDATES: HARRISON BARNES

Restricted Free Agent: Eligible for the Jr. Max = $23m (25% of $92m Estimated Salary Cap)


Basketball-Reference

Barnes did well in the post but struggled attacking set defenses, especially recognizing the second line of help, often driving into crowds. This is still not a particularly strong area of the game for him; Barnes has a decent handle dribbling from side-to-side but does not attack with as much speed off the bounce when he does not have a live dribble, and has only so-so instincts passing out of dribble penetration.

Barnes is not the sort of player who can create for himself and others at this point, and he knew he was miscast in such a role, as he revealed to the Mercury News’s Marcus Thompson a couple of weeks ago. The combination of his limitations as a shot creator and the iffy talent around him resulted in Barnes shooting 27.8% in 97 shots in isolation and averaging only 0.62 points per possession on 97 pick-and-rolls, according to mysynergysports.com.

Basketball Breakdown

1-3 pick-and-rolls have also been used to get Barnes other chances to attack off the catch with a live dribble, aside from defenders running him off the three-point line. He has shot 47.8% on 38 drives so far this season, an improvement from his 38% inefficiency on 223 such attempts last season. 29.5% of his two-point baskets have been dunks, and Barnes has shot 76% at the rim overall, per basketball-reference.

Basketball Breakdown

His interior scoring has been complemented by improved outside shooting, also best explained by context....The release in his shot is not any noticeably quicker, but by playing more time with two of the league’s most respected shooters, Barnes has been open more often and his efficiency on long-range looks have increased as a result. According to NBA.com’s SportVU tracking technology, he is taking roughly 57% of his shots with no defender within four feet of him, an increase of 10% in comparison to last season. With no ball-handling responsibilities and playing alongside a bunch of high end passers, he is taking 38.1% of shots off the catch, and has hit his 48 such three-point attempts at a 43.8% clip. Barnes has taken only four three-point attempts off the bounce and only three with a defender within four feet of him. Maybe only Tony Allen could do poorly with such a recipe.

Basketball Breakdown

Barnes is an athlete with nice shooting touch. He doesn’t have the handle to consistently create off the dribble, well not in traffic against good defenses anyway. But he is better at that and he can finish. He has a nice jumper. He can run a fast break.

“It’s hard when you get the ball in an iso situation and you have a set defense in front of you,” Barnes said. “Very few players in the league can do that. You look at the best – Durant, Melo, those guys – look at what percentage they shoot. And that’s the best of the best, so you can imagine where I’m at. I’m like at 15, 20 percent on isos. To get me with the ball moving, getting me in different spots, playing off other people, that’s more of a strength for me right now. Going straight isos, that wasn’t a strength for me.”

http://blogs.mercurynews.com/thompson/2014/12/05/resurgence-harrison-barnes/

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dDHZkPwEu5w[/youtube]

And Harrison Barnes is more realistic than Whiteside? He is restricted and unless the Warriors chase a big name he is likely to be back. Plus I am not so sure he is any different then Gordon and I don't think we need a three. If we do add more wing men it will probably be guys who can shoot really well. Plus we would have to wait on the warriors.

[ezzzp]

I'm going to start adding player cards to this thread about some of the players that I think might be in Rob Hennigan's cross hairs. This doesn't mean I think he'll offer them a max contract, and it doesn't necessarily mean they are my picks. They are only players that are possible candidates.

And Harrison Barnes is more realistic than Whiteside? He is restricted and unless the Warriors chase a big name he is likely to be back. Plus I am not so sure he is any different then Gordon and I don't think we need a three. If we do add more wing men it will probably be guys who can shoot really well. Plus we would have to wait on the warriors.

Do you have reading comprehension problems?

[ezzzp]

I don't think the Magic have any shot at Whiteside. He is even more of a longshot than Durant in my opinion.

Max money offers will be there for him from many teams; plus Miami can offer him higher raises, lifestyle and no state tax.

He is know for having a personality that is all about Hassan all the time. I don't really care about that - but that type of personality is going to want to live in a major city, not in a small conservative family community.

If he was all about winning, I'd say there was a chance as maybe RH can convince him of a future. But he doesn't care about basketball or winning - its just his meal ticket...and that's totally fine, but it again makes Orlando a very unlikely destination for him.

New York, Brooklyn and LA are already preparing offers. At the trade deadline, Lakers were rumored to have tried to trade for him.

I don't have as much trouble with his issues as others do, but I just don't think the Magic have any chance at signing him...but I do think RH at minimum calls his agent to test the water.

yeah I didn't say anything about out our odds to get him. I just said that I would make him priority number one and make a max offer right away. If he takes or not is a big question mark as this will be a tough offseason. Miami is a very real threat to resign him. All i am saying is that it wouldn't hurt to go after him. I do think we have better chances then Brooklyn or New York. LA is a possibility that probably could beat us out. In the end he may not but I am not going to hessitate on trying to get the best we can get. I am not for settling on things that may not help us that much. I will let time due that if that as that tells us what is possible and what is not. I wouldn't sya he is more unrealistic then Durant. Durant is by far more unrealistic. We will see but you never truly know where guys would want to go. Plus we have enough space where we could offer him a chance to play with another very good player and more as we have a lot of young talent that can be kept or traded. We shall see. Orlando is close so he doesn't have to move that far so if he leaves that could be an advantage. If he wants to win Miami may not be able to progress to far in the playoffs and Wade and Bosh aren't getting any younger or healthier. Plus we do have the income tax benefit and yeah I know that only applies to home games or games in other states that have no income tax or games against Miami so it is still a benefit. We shall see.

Yeah, I didn't say you did. I gave my opinion on why he is a long shot.

...and why idfk would proximity of move be an advantage? LOL dude will be a multi millionaire...he's not renting a U-Haul - he'll get people to pack his sht and move it for him while a limo picks him up and takes him to the jet while he sips champagne en route to his new mansion.

[ezzzp]

Why are people wanting Barnes? We just freed up room by trading Tobias and now we want to add a guy who plays the same position??? $16M for Tobias was a better deal than $23M for Barnes too.

Not only that, we'd have to use up our free cap space to go for him. At least with Fournier, we can use our cap space on others and then go over the cap to keep him.

Read the first line of the post.

[Skin]

I'm going to start adding player cards to this thread about some of the players that I think might be in Rob Hennigan's cross hairs. This doesn't mean I think he'll offer them a max contract, and it doesn't necessarily mean they are my picks. They are only players that are possible candidates.

And Harrison Barnes is more realistic than Whiteside? He is restricted and unless the Warriors chase a big name he is likely to be back. Plus I am not so sure he is any different then Gordon and I don't think we need a three. If we do add more wing men it will probably be guys who can shoot really well. Plus we would have to wait on the warriors.

Do you have reading comprehension problems?

Well, he did bring up one point that I didn't think of... that we'd have to wait 3 days to see if the Warriors match and in the meantime, other FAs are being gobbled up.

[ezzzp]

I don't think the Magic have any shot at Whiteside. He is even more of a longshot than Durant in my opinion.

Max money offers will be there for him from many teams; plus Miami can offer him higher raises, lifestyle and no state tax.

He is know for having a personality that is all about Hassan all the time. I don't really care about that - but that type of personality is going to want to live in a major city, not in a small conservative family community.

If he was all about winning, I'd say there was a chance as maybe RH can convince him of a future. But he doesn't care about basketball or winning - its just his meal ticket...and that's totally fine, but it again makes Orlando a very unlikely destination for him.

New York, Brooklyn and LA are already preparing offers. At the trade deadline, Lakers were rumored to have tried to trade for him.

I don't have as much trouble with his issues as others do, but I just don't think the Magic have any chance at signing him...but I do think RH at minimum calls his agent to test the water.

Regardless, I would give it my best shot. I hate being such a soft team.