What's your breaking point (in $) for resigning Vucevic?

[MagicFan101]

Problem is perception.
Vučević is allstar. One side overvalues what that means, other side undervalues what it means.

Putting lipstick on a pig doesn’t change the fact that you simply have an ugly pig.

Putting the honorable mention Allstate reserve label on Vuc doesn’t change the fact that we simply have an above average center on a roster deep with F/C prospect and lacking guard / wing talent.

well, in roster full of pigs, one is best

That’s the point. You don’t overpay the prettiest pig in the barn. You dream of a race horse.

[pepe1991]

Putting lipstick on a pig doesn’t change the fact that you simply have an ugly pig.

Putting the honorable mention Allstate reserve label on Vuc doesn’t change the fact that we simply have an above average center on a roster deep with F/C prospect and lacking guard / wing talent.

well, in roster full of pigs, one is best

That’s the point. You don’t overpay the prettiest pig in the barn. You dream of a race horse.

[NotACat]

You have to be careful with youth and how much youth you can develop.
That's why lot of rebuilds go nowhere ( Suns, Kings for years, Magic during Oladipo ). Even Oladipo himself admited that with Magic inner competition hurted a team. It's just lot of unproven players trying to prove their value not by quality but quantity . Mostly by having bigger usage than they should and taking shots they should not take. But as long as they hit their target numbers (<16 ppg = star ) they are good to go.

There is no problem in starting Bamba if Vučević is gone, problem is if you start next year with Fultz, Bamba , 16 pick and Isaac, along Gordon, all fighting for usage /scoring on team that will probably be lottery bound, to add another rookie to make this fight for this imaginary "star" even more clear.

In reality, however, having 15-20 ppg scorer on 20 wins team really doesn't mean much. Jordan Clarkson this year averaged 17 points a game on Cavs, same with Hardaway and his 18 on Knicks and Jabari and his 14,5 on Bulls. It's just empty numbers that get them payed, when in reality all 3 of them are negative contributors on serious teams.

Boston inner struggle between players destroyed their roster this year.
Rozier flat out said that he is one of best PGs in nba and he sacrificed everything.
Irving said he is one of biggest stars out there.
I'm pretty sure Brown and Tatum belive they are also stars.
Two former allstars and their egos exist on that roster too ( Hayward, Horford).
Whole year long their chemistry was terrible because they tried to outshine each other more than play as unit.

Going to counter with numbers to signify the paragraphs.

1. It's the responsibility of the coaching staff to continue to work and develop players while holding them accountable for the choices they make on the court. Our staff is much better than the staff we had in 2014 and we absolutely are not a PPG organization.

2. Coaching comes into play here, and Clifford has shown he gets the players to buy into their roles. He maximizes players talents and is willing to adjust and explore different aspects of players' game (ex. AG getting more ball handling duties with the 2nd unit this year). I doubt whatever rookie we select starts unless they show something great at training camp.

3. Agree, but again, we aren't a PPG team and our staff will hold players accountable to higher standards. Even if we don't retain Vuc, we would retain Birch or bring in a veteran C who we can rely on if Bamba needs a talking to. Isaac, Bamba, and Fultz are the only players where this would be an issue and our coaching staff has buy in from the vets and based on past interviews, the young guys as well, so this shouldn't be an issue for this team.

4. Boston struggled because their move to bring in Hayward ruined their chemistry, nothing else. Brown and Tatum showed up and looked like their forward duo going into the future, there was no need to ruin that rotation by bringing in Hayward who is a favorite of Brad Stevens (coached him in college). Brown and Tatum rightfully felt sour after that move IMO. Brad Stevens doesn't seem capable of helping Kyrie be a good leader for that roster and Rozier is a headcase on his own and they should've moved him when they decided to retain Marcus Smart. Horford was definitely not the issue.

[drsd]

... bring in a veteran C who we can rely on if Bamba needs a talking to.

[NotACat]

... bring in a veteran C who we can rely on if Bamba needs a talking to.

lol. I was thinking more like DeAndre Jordan, Kanter, or one of the Lopez brothers (Robin has been a solid starter for the Bulls).

[OrlandoNed]

4. Boston struggled because their move to bring in Hayward ruined their chemistry, nothing else. Brown and Tatum showed up and looked like their forward duo going into the future, there was no need to ruin that rotation by bringing in Hayward who is a favorite of Brad Stevens (coached him in college). Brown and Tatum rightfully felt sour after that move IMO. Brad Stevens doesn't seem capable of helping Kyrie be a good leader for that roster and Rozier is a headcase on his own and they should've moved him when they decided to retain Marcus Smart. Horford was definitely not the issue.

You have your timelines mixed up man. Hayward signed with the Celtics during the same summer that Tatum got drafted. Tatum shouldn't of and likely wasn't sour about anything. Nothing was ruined by Hayward joining the team. If you remember correctly, the Celtics plan was to have Brown, Hayward and Tatum all starting before Hayward snapped his leg like a pretzel 5 minutes into the 2017-2018 season.

[MoMM]

... bring in a veteran C who we can rely on if Bamba needs a talking to.

lol. I was thinking more like DeAndre Jordan, Kanter, or one of the Lopez brothers (Robin has been a solid starter for the Bulls).

Not sure if we will have cap space for that, we have 85M commited for next season. Assuming we re-sign TRoss to a 15M/year deal, we will have 9M left to spend on a backup PG, our rookies, Birch and this improvement at center.

[NotACat]

4. Boston struggled because their move to bring in Hayward ruined their chemistry, nothing else. Brown and Tatum showed up and looked like their forward duo going into the future, there was no need to ruin that rotation by bringing in Hayward who is a favorite of Brad Stevens (coached him in college). Brown and Tatum rightfully felt sour after that move IMO. Brad Stevens doesn't seem capable of helping Kyrie be a good leader for that roster and Rozier is a headcase on his own and they should've moved him when they decided to retain Marcus Smart. Horford was definitely not the issue.

You have your timelines mixed up man. Hayward signed with the Celtics during the same summer that Tatum got drafted. Tatum shouldn't of and likely wasn't sour about anything. Nothing was ruined by Hayward joining the team. If you remember correctly, the Celtics plan was to have Brown, Hayward and Tatum all starting before Hayward snapped his leg like a pretzel 5 minutes into the 2017-2018 season.

My bad, can't believe I mixed that up. Feels like ages ago already.

lol. I was thinking more like DeAndre Jordan, Kanter, or one of the Lopez brothers (Robin has been a solid starter for the Bulls).

Not sure if we will have cap space for that, we have 85M commited for next season. Assuming we re-sign TRoss to a 15M/year deal, we will have 9M left to spend on a backup PG, our rookies, Birch and this improvement at center.

Regardless of cap space, don't we have the MLE and the LLE to use? We could allocate the MLE towards a backup C and the LLE to MCW or Briscoe.

[pepe1991]

Magic still have MLE

https://www.hoopsrumors.com/2018/07/how-teams-are-using-201819-bi-annual-exceptions.html

[Catledge]

For me, the most important thing is that Vooch's contract has to be tradable. It doesn't have to be the sort of thing that gets us a significant return, just something that can be moved off of our books if Bamba blows up.

A lot of the reasoning I see on this thread strikes me as questionable. Specifically, the suggestion that Vooch was holding back other players ignores the fact that we tried every possible combination of players when Vooch rested, and all of them struggled, meaning that the Vooch crutch would have had to extend all the way from the bench.

Vooch made major contributions this year. They won't be magically replaced when he's off the team any more than they were magically replaced when he was on the bench.

[Skin]

For me, the most important thing is that Vooch's contract has to be tradable. It doesn't have to be the sort of thing that gets us a significant return, just something that can be moved off of our books if Bamba blows up.

That's the problem though. Would Vuc accept a contract that is below his market value? Players sign with their highest bidder more often than not. If there's only one team willing to give them that deal then that means all the other teams are ok letting him go at that price. He would have to outplay his contract in order to become valuable to other teams and if that happened, the team with him wouldn't want to let him go. More often than not, FA contracts are so absurd that the new contracts immediately become untradeable the moment the player signs.

[ezzzp]

That’s the million dollar question. Even if AG and Isaacs value is “increased from winning”, whatever metric that means, teams aren’t giving away elite scorers willingly. The flawed logic is that “winning solves all and going in a different direction won’t provide better results”. Completely untrue.

Its not flawed logic...its the ideology of the best developmental franchises in the NBA: Spurs, Utah, Boston, Milwaukee, Denver, Toronto, Miami etc. Those teams ALWAYS try to construct rosters that will compete for a playoff spot. Sometimes injuries or unexpected events create losing seasons, but they immediately adjust in 1-2 seasons at most. They never do long term bottom out (tank).

Instead they use a gradual brick by brick methodology where they build up the value of ALL their assets in a winning context and then flip up (often using consolidation trades) or that context develops its own stars (often from non high lottery picks). Because of this philosophy, players and agents respect the franchise allowing them to consistently acquire quality free agents. In other words, those organizations use all three levers of improvement in tandem: draft/development + trade + free agency.

• Milwaukee

G Antetokuonmpo...15th pick...drafted by MIL and developed in playoff context in 4 of his 5 years
K Middelton...39th pick...acquired via trade (at 22) developed in playoff context 4 of his 6 years
E Bledsoe...18th pick...acquired via trade at his peak prime (28)

+ Brogdon (36th), Lopez (10th), Snell (20th), Caughnaton (41st), Mirotic (23d), Hill (26th)

• Toronto

K Leonard...15th pick...acquired via trade at end of prime ascent (27)
P Siakim...27th pick...drafted by TOR and developed in a playoff context entire career
K Lowry...24th pick...acquired via trade in second year of his prime ascent (26)

+ Gasol (48th), Ibaka (24th), Green (46th), VanVleet (undrafted), Powell (46th), Anunobuy (23d)

• Portland

D Lillard...6th pick...drafted by POR and developed on playoff context in 6 of 7 seasons
C McCollum...10th pick...drafted by POR and developed on playoff context entire career
J Nurkic...16th pick...acquired via trade two years before his prime ascent (23)

+ Aminu (10th), Harkless (15th), Turner (2nd), Kanter (3d), Collins (10th), Curry (undrafted)

• Golden State

S Curry...7th pick...drafted by GSW and developed in playoff context 7 of 10 seasons
K Thompson...11th pick...drafted by GSW and developed in playoff context 9 of 10 seasons
K Durant...2nd pick...acquired via trade at his peak prime (28)
D Green...35th pick...drafted by GSW and developed in playoff context 7 of 7 seasons

+ Iguodala (9th), Livingston (4th), Looney (30th)

[MartinsIzAfraud]

That’s the million dollar question. Even if AG and Isaacs value is “increased from winning”, whatever metric that means, teams aren’t giving away elite scorers willingly. The flawed logic is that “winning solves all and going in a different direction won’t provide better results”. Completely untrue.

Its not flawed logic...its the ideology of the best developmental franchises in the NBA: Spurs, Utah, Boston, Milwaukee, Denver, Toronto, Miami etc. Those teams ALWAYS try to construct rosters that will compete for a playoff spot. Sometimes injuries or unexpected events create losing seasons, but they immediately adjust in 1-2 seasons at most. They never do long term bottom out (tank).

Instead they use a gradual brick by brick methodology where they build up the value of ALL their assets in a winning context and then flip up (often using consolidation trades) or that context develops its own stars (often from non high lottery picks). Because of this philosophy, players and agents respect the franchise allowing them to consistently acquire quality free agents. In other words, those organizations use all three levers of improvement in tandem: draft/development + trade + free agency.

• Milwaukee

G Antetokuonmpo...15th pick...drafted by MIL and developed in playoff context in 4 of his 5 years
K Middelton...39th pick...acquired via trade (at 22) developed in playoff context 4 of his 6 years
E Bledsoe...18th pick...acquired via trade at his peak prime (28)

+ Brogdon (36th), Lopez (10th), Snell (20th), Caughnaton (41st), Mirotic (23d), Hill (26th)

• Toronto

K Leonard...15th pick...acquired via trade at end of prime ascent (27)
P Siakim...27th pick...drafted by TOR and developed in a playoff context entire career
K Lowry...24th pick...acquired via trade in second year of his prime ascent (26)

+ Gasol (48th), Ibaka (24th), Green (46th), VanVleet (undrafted), Powell (46th), Anunobuy (23d)

• Portland

D Lillard...6th pick...drafted by POR and developed on playoff context in 6 of 7 seasons
C McCollum...10th pick...drafted by POR and developed on playoff context entire career
J Nurkic...16th pick...acquired via trade two years before his prime ascent (23)

+ Aminu (10th), Harkless (15th), Turner (2nd), Kanter (3d), Collins (10th), Curry (undrafted)

• Golden State

S Curry...7th pick...drafted by GSW and developed in playoff context 7 of 10 seasons
K Thompson...11th pick...drafted by GSW and developed in playoff context 9 of 10 seasons
K Durant...2nd pick...acquired via trade at his peak prime (28)
D Green...35th pick...drafted by GSW and developed in playoff context 7 of 7 seasons

+ Iguodala (9th), Livingston (4th), Looney (30th)

Here we are and our draft picks the last what 6 years have either busted, traded due to impatience or haven't really hit that game changing level. Martins really put us where we are by hiring Henny and muddling into decisions on HC's and roster moves/playoff's now mode.

Oladipo- rushed him then traded for 30cents to push for playoffs and not wanting to spend the $. Had no mentor to help bring him along and show him the ropes. Traded away Jameer Dipo's rookie year because we're a poorly run franchise and wanted to gift opening day spots.

AG -> Role player, BGriffin Lite, starting to show more but never will be that go to guy.

Hezonja- BUST
EP- BUST

Sabonis- Moved for freaking Ibaka because again our FO was in playoff or bust mode and we couldn't have too much youth

JI- showing signs but still ways away, won't ever be a go to guy but can see him as a glue piece for multiple playoff years.

Bamba- TBD

[drsd]

In all seriousness, we fans can expect about 6 ppg and 60 games played by Mozgov. He is not a horrible player and his injury might have added a year to his tank.

No he is not worth his salary, but let's be fair, he easily replaces Birch's production levels.


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[VFX]

That’s the million dollar question. Even if AG and Isaacs value is “increased from winning”, whatever metric that means, teams aren’t giving away elite scorers willingly. The flawed logic is that “winning solves all and going in a different direction won’t provide better results”. Completely untrue.

Its not flawed logic...its the ideology of the best developmental franchises in the NBA: Spurs, Utah, Boston, Milwaukee, Denver, Toronto, Miami etc. Those teams ALWAYS try to construct rosters that will compete for a playoff spot. Sometimes injuries or unexpected events create losing seasons, but they immediately adjust in 1-2 seasons at most. They never do long term bottom out (tank).

Instead they use a gradual brick by brick methodology where they build up the value of ALL their assets in a winning context and then flip up (often using consolidation trades) or that context develops its own stars (often from non high lottery picks). Because of this philosophy, players and agents respect the franchise allowing them to consistently acquire quality free agents. In other words, those organizations use all three levers of improvement in tandem: draft/development + trade + free agency.

• Milwaukee

G Antetokuonmpo...15th pick...drafted by MIL and developed in playoff context in 4 of his 5 years
K Middelton...39th pick...acquired via trade (at 22) developed in playoff context 4 of his 6 years
E Bledsoe...18th pick...acquired via trade at his peak prime (28)

+ Brogdon (36th), Lopez (10th), Snell (20th), Caughnaton (41st), Mirotic (23d), Hill (26th)

• Toronto

K Leonard...15th pick...acquired via trade at end of prime ascent (27)
P Siakim...27th pick...drafted by TOR and developed in a playoff context entire career
K Lowry...24th pick...acquired via trade in second year of his prime ascent (26)

+ Gasol (48th), Ibaka (24th), Green (46th), VanVleet (undrafted), Powell (46th), Anunobuy (23d)

• Portland

D Lillard...6th pick...drafted by POR and developed on playoff context in 6 of 7 seasons
C McCollum...10th pick...drafted by POR and developed on playoff context entire career
J Nurkic...16th pick...acquired via trade two years before his prime ascent (23)

+ Aminu (10th), Harkless (15th), Turner (2nd), Kanter (3d), Collins (10th), Curry (undrafted)

• Golden State

S Curry...7th pick...drafted by GSW and developed in playoff context 7 of 10 seasons
K Thompson...11th pick...drafted by GSW and developed in playoff context 9 of 10 seasons
K Durant...2nd pick...acquired via trade at his peak prime (28)
D Green...35th pick...drafted by GSW and developed in playoff context 7 of 7 seasons

+ Iguodala (9th), Livingston (4th), Looney (30th)

Here we are and our draft picks the last what 6 years have either busted, traded due to impatience or haven't really hit that game changing level. Martins really put us where we are by hiring Henny and muddling into decisions on HC's and roster moves/playoff's now mode.

Oladipo- rushed him then traded for 30cents to push for playoffs and not wanting to spend the $. Had no mentor to help bring him along and show him the ropes. Traded away Jameer Dipo's rookie year because we're a poorly run franchise and wanted to gift opening day spots.

AG -> Role player, BGriffin Lite, starting to show more but never will be that go to guy.

Hezonja- BUST
EP- BUST

Sabonis- Moved for freaking Ibaka because again our FO was in playoff or bust mode and we couldn't have too much youth

JI- showing signs but still ways away, won't ever be a go to guy but can see him as a glue piece for multiple playoff years.

Bamba- TBD

Right. That is how Orlando has utilized their draft picks.
All of those franchises that have been successful have cornerstones to build around. Vuc is obviously not that guy.

Miami is completely in limbo paying for a roster that couldn’t even make the playoffs in the east, and picking only a few spots ahead of Orlando, while trying to remain competitive without a cornerstone. Sounds great... at that point they are hoping to offload some of their mediocre overpaid assets for hopefully better players.

Nobody is saying Orlando won’t continue to try to utilize free agency, the draft, and trades. However, two of those three options won’t be realistic with this current roster and how successful people seem to think it could possibly be. There needs to be a shakeup and Orlando has to find a cornerstone centerpiece to build around. That likely doesn’t happen repeating what Orlando did this year. It’s not that complicated.

[MoMM]

Magic still have MLE

https://www.hoopsrumors.com/2018/07/how-teams-are-using-201819-bi-annual-exceptions.html

This article is from one year ago, if we go under the cap (renounce Vuc), I believe we wouldn't be able to use LLE or MLE.

[MoMM]

In all seriousness, we fans can expect about 6 ppg and 60 games played by Mozgov. He is not a horrible player and his injury might have added a year to his tank.

No he is not worth his salary, but let's be fair, he easily replaces Birch's production levels.


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If healthy, right?

[OrlandoNed]

Its not flawed logic...its the ideology of the best developmental franchises in the NBA: Spurs, Utah, Boston, Milwaukee, Denver, Toronto, Miami etc. Those teams ALWAYS try to construct rosters that will compete for a playoff spot. Sometimes injuries or unexpected events create losing seasons, but they immediately adjust in 1-2 seasons at most. They never do long term bottom out (tank).

Instead they use a gradual brick by brick methodology where they build up the value of ALL their assets in a winning context and then flip up (often using consolidation trades) or that context develops its own stars (often from non high lottery picks). Because of this philosophy, players and agents respect the franchise allowing them to consistently acquire quality free agents. In other words, those organizations use all three levers of improvement in tandem: draft/development + trade + free agency.

• Milwaukee

G Antetokuonmpo...15th pick...drafted by MIL and developed in playoff context in 4 of his 5 years
K Middelton...39th pick...acquired via trade (at 22) developed in playoff context 4 of his 6 years
E Bledsoe...18th pick...acquired via trade at his peak prime (28)

+ Brogdon (36th), Lopez (10th), Snell (20th), Caughnaton (41st), Mirotic (23d), Hill (26th)

• Toronto

K Leonard...15th pick...acquired via trade at end of prime ascent (27)
P Siakim...27th pick...drafted by TOR and developed in a playoff context entire career
K Lowry...24th pick...acquired via trade in second year of his prime ascent (26)

+ Gasol (48th), Ibaka (24th), Green (46th), VanVleet (undrafted), Powell (46th), Anunobuy (23d)

• Portland

D Lillard...6th pick...drafted by POR and developed on playoff context in 6 of 7 seasons
C McCollum...10th pick...drafted by POR and developed on playoff context entire career
J Nurkic...16th pick...acquired via trade two years before his prime ascent (23)

+ Aminu (10th), Harkless (15th), Turner (2nd), Kanter (3d), Collins (10th), Curry (undrafted)

• Golden State

S Curry...7th pick...drafted by GSW and developed in playoff context 7 of 10 seasons
K Thompson...11th pick...drafted by GSW and developed in playoff context 9 of 10 seasons
K Durant...2nd pick...acquired via trade at his peak prime (28)
D Green...35th pick...drafted by GSW and developed in playoff context 7 of 7 seasons

+ Iguodala (9th), Livingston (4th), Looney (30th)

Here we are and our draft picks the last what 6 years have either busted, traded due to impatience or haven't really hit that game changing level. Martins really put us where we are by hiring Henny and muddling into decisions on HC's and roster moves/playoff's now mode.

Oladipo- rushed him then traded for 30cents to push for playoffs and not wanting to spend the $. Had no mentor to help bring him along and show him the ropes. Traded away Jameer Dipo's rookie year because we're a poorly run franchise and wanted to gift opening day spots.

AG -> Role player, BGriffin Lite, starting to show more but never will be that go to guy.

Hezonja- BUST
EP- BUST

Sabonis- Moved for freaking Ibaka because again our FO was in playoff or bust mode and we couldn't have too much youth

JI- showing signs but still ways away, won't ever be a go to guy but can see him as a glue piece for multiple playoff years.

Bamba- TBD

Right. That is how Orlando has utilized their draft picks.
All of those franchises that have been successful have cornerstones to build around. Vuc is obviously not that guy.

Miami is completely in limbo paying for a roster that couldn’t even make the playoffs in the east and picking only a few spots ahead of Orlando while trying to remains competitive. Sounds great... at that point they are hoping to offload some of their mediocre overpaid assets for hopefully better players.

Nobody is saying Orlando won’t continue to try to utilize free agency, the draft, and trades. However, two of those three options won’t be realistic with this current roster and how successful people seem to think it could possibly be. There needs to be a shakeup and Orlando has to find a cornerstone centerpiece to build around. That likely doesn’t happen repeating what Orlando did this year. It’s not that complicated.

I know several people are going to say Fultz will be that cornerstone, but just like Giannis falling into the Bucks laps you can't plan on outliers to be your out, especially when you are dealing with a situation as bizarre as Fultz's.

It's like being told in 2014 after Jabari Parker got drafted by the Bucks, that in the past 2 drafts the Bucks had acquired a once-in-a-generational talent, future top 5 player, perennial All-Star and MVP candidate and its not Parker, but the lanky Greek kid that just finished an unspectacular rookie season. How many people would believe that aside from the biggest Parker hater and Giannis homer?

The point is that if you want to build a championship team you NEED a superstar talent, and yes superstars can be found in the middle of the 1st round and even in the 2nd round, but the odds of finding one are so much smaller than finding one near the top of the lottery. You have to be smart and play the odds with a gamble that is more likely to pay off. What has a better chance of happening, rolling a die for a specific number or flipping a coin 100 times and not landing a single heads?

[pepe1991]

Magic still have MLE

https://www.hoopsrumors.com/2018/07/how-teams-are-using-201819-bi-annual-exceptions.html

This article is from one year ago, if we go under the cap (renounce Vuc), I believe we wouldn't be able to use LLE or MLE.

You can use MLE once every two years, so Magic didn't use one last year, witch means they can this year

The bi-annual exception is only available to teams that over the cap and under the tax apron. It can also only be used once every two years, which will disqualify the Bucks, Pelicans, Knicks, and Spurs from using it in 2019/20 — they all used their BAE in 2018/19.

[ezzzp]

For him to become that in this current era of ball, he'll need to become a C who can move with the ball like Jokic and Embiid

This is a bit of a tangent from your comment, but I wanted to explore what this means within context of this Vucevic thread and if/where there is potential for Magic C's to improve:

• Drives

Jokic: 298 Drives / 72-134 (.537 FG%) / 42 FTA / 10.1 AST% - 9.1 TOV%
Embiid: 305 Drives / 81-155 (.523 FG%) / 111 FTA / 2.3 AST% - 11.5 TOV%

Vucevic: 180 Drives / 51-94 (.543 FG%) / 30 FTA / 6.1 AST% - 8.3 TOV%
Bamba: 18 Drives / 2-11 (.182 FG%) / 8 FTA / 0.0 AST% - 11.1 TOV%
Birch: 20 Drives / 4-9 (.444 FG%) / 12 FTA / 10.0 AST% - 0.0 TOV%


• 3PT Shooting (modern system floor spacing)

Jokic: 83-269 (.309 3P%)
Embiid: 78-257 (.304 3P%)

Vucevic: 80-222 (.360 3P%)
Bamba: 21-70 (.300 3P%)
Birch: 0-1 (.000 3P%)

• Creation (modern system passing)

Jokic: 36.1 AST% / 2.34 AST:TO / 11.1 Ast to Pass %
Embiid: 18.5 AST% / 1.04 AST:TO / 7.0 Ast to Pass %

Vucevic: 19.5 AST% / 1.93 AST:TO / 8.7 Ast to Pass %
Bamba: 8.6 AST% / 0.91 AST:TO / 4.5 Ast to Pass %
Birch: 8.7 AST% / 1.90 AST:TO / 5.8 Ast to Pass %

• Efficiency and Shot Selection (modern system "Morey-Ball")

Jokic: 26.8 USG% / .589 TS% / 29.2 FTr / .531 % of FGA at rim or 3PT
Embiid: 32.3 USG% / .593 TS% / 54.1 FTr / .564 % of FGA at rim or 3PT

Vucevic: 27.3 USG% / .573 TS% / 16.8 FTr / .432 % of FGA at rim or 3PT
Bamba: 17.8 USG% / .539 TS% / 25.9 FTr / .638 % of FGA at rim or 3PT
Birch: 14.1 USG% / .640 TS% / 55.0 FTr / .610 % of FGA at rim or 3PT