Who are you eyeing with the Chicago pick?

[pepe1991]

You would think it was that easy...

Then you watch lineups of AG,Isaac, and Vucevic for years with a front office believing it was the “best possible talent” they could muster with predictably terrible results. But sure, go ahead and vouch for BPA believing that roster construction turns over quickly and players don’t rot on rosters for years, losing value and accomplishing nothing.

I mean for better or worse the circumstances are significantly different now than they were the previous two years.

I don’t think it makes sense to cite how the front office approached roster building the last two years when the goal was clearly to prioritize winning games and making the playoffs over developing young players.

And rosters *can* turn over in an instant if a front office wants them to. The Magic’s front office didn’t change much up the previous two years because ownership really wanted to field at competitive playoff team, so that’s what the front office tried to do.

But now? This is a full blown rebuild. It’s all about talent acquisition above all else. The Magic aren’t going to be good for a while without some significant draft luck.

The one thing the front office hopefully will not do is get attached to young players who aren’t stars. Until this team finds a legitimate building block talent, they should and hopefully will be willing to shuffle everyone else around.

I’m aware this rebuild will take a long time.

All the more reason to nail the picks and use them on player archetypes that have better chances of becoming elite game-changing talent. Think about what kind of players in this era draw the more talent and are considered “building blocks”.

Hint: it’s not bigs. Even with Jokic or Embiid playing MVP level basketball, nobody is beating down the door to join Philly or Denver. Chances are high that Orlando doesn’t land at the top of the lotto next season with a potentially healthy Isaac, Fultz, and a bunch of tanking teams. Might as well spend the lottery picks on impactful players that we’d never land via trade or free agency.

Unless you’d rather watch a revolving door of the Bacons and Ennis’ of the world while we have a stacked talent front court, contrary to the rest of the league.

Bolded part. Let's be 100% honest, no agenda, no BS. It's because their teams are Denver and Philadelphia. If they are on Clippers and Lakers things would be different. Kenyon Martins is biggest name in Nuggets history they signed. Marcus Camby is second.

In modern history, biggest 76ers FA is Al Horford, before him, Elton Brand.

It's about teams, not fact those guys are centers.

I mean, who attracted Durant & Irving? Joe Harris and Spance Dinwiddie ?
Who attracted Lebron? Lonzo & Ingram or KCP & Kuzma?
We know answer for it. We don't need to play that "no center attracts FA" BS. Players go to big markets, if those big markets happend to have no stars, star center, star PG or whoever, doesn't matter. If you wanna play devil's advocate, you can straech facts and make notion that Gobert & Adebayo attracted Butler, Bogdanovic...

[Bensational]

If we dropped out of the top 3 I wouldn’t have a problem considering Mobley or Sengun after that, especially if we have the Bulls pick and can get Ayo later.

BUT, if we choose to use a draft asset on another big we need to move our bigs to find a wing asset to go with the new player and not create too much depth for players to be able to earn minutes.

[GelbeWand09]

For me Sengun got the potential to score 20 ppg by his 3rd season easy & i woudnt be surprised if he becomes a top 5 boxscore stats player in this draft but i just dont like his player type at all. I dont believe in his def. potential at all. He wont be a liability like Vuc or Kanter & he is really scrappy, intensive & mobile on defense but he wont be a plus player on that end in my opinion. I mean in case Isaac stays healthy it doesnt matter much but i definitely prefer defense over offense at Center.
I'm really really torn on him. I think he is the safest producer outside the top 4-5 but he is my least favorite player type.

I can see us easily draft Mobley when Cade is gone. In case Cade & Green are gone i'm pretty sure we draft him over Suggs to be honest. Its not my ideal scenario too but the defensive potential of a Isaac & Mobley combo is more attractive to me than building a offense around a ''one way'' big again.

+ Next years draft is so big heavy, i prefer adding guards/wings this year.

In case we draft Cade or Green i'm okay with Sengun.

[pepe1991]

For me Sengun got the potential to score 20 ppg by his 3rd season easy & i woudnt be surprised if he becomes a top 5 boxscore stats player in this draft but i just dont like his player type at all. I dont believe in his def. potential at all. He wont be a liability like Vuc or Kanter & he is really scrappy, intensive & mobile on defense but he wont be a plus player on that end in my opinion. I mean in case Isaac stays healthy it doesnt matter much but i definitely prefer defense over offense at Center.
I'm really really torn on him. I think he is the safest producer outside the top 4-5 but he is my least favorite player type.

I can see us easily draft Mobley when Cade is gone. In case Cade & Green are gone i'm pretty sure we draft him over Suggs to be honest. Its not my ideal scenario too but the defensive potential of a Isaac & Mobley combo is more attractive to me than building a offense around a ''one way'' big again.

+ Next years draft is so big heavy, i prefer adding guards/wings this year.

In case we draft Cade or Green i'm okay with Sengun.

Ehh, he more mobile than Vuc & Kanter because they are 7 footers and he is between 6'9 and 6'10.
But the way he scores isn't really that translatable in nba. He has no outside range, he is more similar to Wendell Carter than Kenter or Vuc who are way more polished i eqipped with bigger bodies.

What's execlly his role in modern offense? Not streach big, not that fast, not that athletic, not rim runner and not as strong passer as somebody like Sabonis? So it's just 6'10( like Wendell) player that occupies same space below rim as Wendell, who won't do anything on his own and who is best used as rolling big ( again, as Wendell) and off ball he is either screening, or wasting space because he won't do anything for your offense outside 10 feet.

At apsolute best he is Domas Sabonis. As realistic outcome, he is very similar player to Wendell

[Knightro]

I’m aware this rebuild will take a long time.

All the more reason to nail the picks and use them on player archetypes that have better chances of becoming elite game-changing talent. Think about what kind of players in this era draw the more talent and are considered “building blocks”.

Hint: it’s not bigs. Even with Jokic or Embiid playing MVP level basketball, nobody is beating down the door to join Philly or Denver. Chances are high that Orlando doesn’t land at the top of the lotto next season with a potentially healthy Isaac, Fultz, and a bunch of tanking teams. Might as well spend the lottery picks on impactful players that we’d never land via trade or free agency.

Unless you’d rather watch a revolving door of the Bacons and Ennis’ of the world while we have a stacked talent front court, contrary to the rest of the league.

I would understand your vitriol a whole lot more if this was the "who do you want to draft 1st overall and build your entire organization around?" thread and people were arguing for Sengun over Cunningham, Green or Suggs, but no one is doing that.

This is the "who do you want the Magic to take with their second of two lottery picks?" thread. The Bulls pick, if it conveys, is going to be 8th, 9th, 10th, or 11th.

To me, this whole thing is a lot more about what talented player the Magic can add to the hopefully great wing/guard prospect they already added earlier in the lottery.

For some reason you're trying to turn it into some sort of crusade against building around bigs. Which feels kind of out of place because whoever the Magic draft with the Bulls pick (if they get it) would theoretically be a secondary piece to the non-big they drafted with their own pick.

And let's face it, this is primarily (and understandably!) Vucevic fatigue above all else. If Vucevic was as good as Jokic or Embiid - a guy you could win 65-70% of your games a season with as your best player, you certainly wouldn't be so big man adverse. But the combination of Vucevic not being that guy and also how long the Magic stuck with him has left a sour taste in a lot of people's mouths.

Building around an elite big man isn't a bad strategy. They just have to actually be elite. But that applies to every other position too. Regardless of what position you're building around, if the player isn't an dominant player, you're not going to have a lot of success.

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I’m aware this rebuild will take a long time.

All the more reason to nail the picks and use them on player archetypes that have better chances of becoming elite game-changing talent. Think about what kind of players in this era draw the more talent and are considered “building blocks”.

Hint: it’s not bigs. Even with Jokic or Embiid playing MVP level basketball, nobody is beating down the door to join Philly or Denver. Chances are high that Orlando doesn’t land at the top of the lotto next season with a potentially healthy Isaac, Fultz, and a bunch of tanking teams. Might as well spend the lottery picks on impactful players that we’d never land via trade or free agency.

Unless you’d rather watch a revolving door of the Bacons and Ennis’ of the world while we have a stacked talent front court, contrary to the rest of the league.

I would understand your vitriol a whole lot more if this was the "who do you want to draft 1st overall and build your entire organization around?" thread and people were arguing for Sengun over Cunningham, Green or Suggs, but no one is doing that.

This is the "who do you want the Magic to take with their second of two lottery picks?" thread. The Bulls pick, if it conveys, is going to be 8th, 9th, 10th, or 11th.

To me, this whole thing is a lot more about what talented player the Magic can add to the hopefully great wing/guard prospect they already added earlier in the lottery.

For some reason you're trying to turn it into some sort of crusade against building around bigs. Which feels kind of out of place because whoever the Magic draft with the Bulls pick (if they get it) would theoretically be a secondary piece to the non-big they drafted with their own pick.

And let's face it, this is primarily (and understandably!) Vucevic fatigue above all else. If Vucevic was as good as Jokic or Embiid - a guy you could win 65-70% of your games a season with as your best player, you certainly wouldn't be so big man adverse. But the combination of Vucevic not being that guy and also how long the Magic stuck with him has left a sour taste in a lot of people's mouths.

Building around an elite big man isn't a bad strategy. They just have to actually be elite. But that applies to every other position too. Regardless of what position you're building around, if the player isn't an dominant player, you're not going to have a lot of success.

Again, it’s not entirely about Vucevic. It’s about watching a style of play that doesn’t compute with the current nba. I don’t care if Seguin “isn’t Vucevic”. He’s a big that plays below the rim and doesn’t stretch the floor. Just sign Cody Zeller instead without spending a top 12 pick.

Philly is basically unwatchable with Simmons and Embiid as their best players. Denver is only interesting because Jokic is a unicorn surrounded by playmakers themselves. We watched Orlando, for almost a decade, struggle to piece together an effective, watchable offense only to blow it up. Go figure that happens when you havent had a real SF since Turk and Evan Fournier is your back court mainstay.

It’s not really a “crusade” per se. Draft picks matter. Roster configuration matters. 2018 and drafting “BPA” was exactly the kind of **** results I expected. I explicitly remember conversations on this board about whether Ayton or Bamba were better picks than Doncic. Positional value matters. You get the point.

Teams simply have a better chance on landing a Jokic (pick 41), a Gobert (pick 27) rather than hitting it out of the park by drafting a Bender, Okafor, or Len with a top pick.

Yeah, watching the last iteration of Orlando’s attempt at constructing a roster was unbearable. Sue me if I’d rather never watch a big take 25 shots on offense to remain in closely competitive games. Or maybe they could circumvent that entirely by drafting positions that have greater overall value and impact... which is my point.

[Knightro]

Philly is basically unwatchable with Simmons and Embiid as their best players.

I'll go on record and say that you can sign me up for an "unwatchable" .671 winning percentage and a No. 1 seed literally any day of the week.

Simmons and Embiid's two man NET rating is +15.2 in 1144 minutes. I would hold my nose and accept that misery if I was forced to

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Philly is basically unwatchable with Simmons and Embiid as their best players.

I'll go on record and say that you can sign me up for an "unwatchable" .671 winning percentage and a No. 1 seed literally any day of the week.

Simmons and Embiid's two man NET rating is +15.2 in 1144 minutes. I would hold my nose and accept that misery if I was forced to

That’s fine. They'll also win nothing and end up moving one of them at some point when they get exposed in the playoffs per usual.

[Knightro]

That’s fine. They'll also win nothing and end up moving one of them at some point when they get exposed in the playoffs per usual.

I mean... maybe?

I don't think it's an apples to apples comparison to suggest this year's version of the Sixers is the same as previous iterations.

They have a new coach, more depth and more shooting this year than they had in previous playoff runs. Tobias Harris has finally figured out how to play at a very high level as the third banana. Statistically this is the best defense they've ever had during their window.

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That’s fine. They'll also win nothing and end up moving one of them at some point when they get exposed in the playoffs per usual.

I mean... maybe?

I don't think it's an apples to apples comparison to suggest this year's version of the Sixers is the same as previous iterations.

They have a new coach, more depth and more shooting this year than they had in previous playoff runs. Tobias Harris has finally figured out how to play at a very high level as the third banana. Statistically this is the best defense they've ever had during their window.

Kind of getting off topic here. Simmons was always a sure fire #1 pick as a point forward. Embiid became a top 2 Center. Then they filled out their roster with complimentary pieces. It’s only been effective this year.

Orlando needs that playmaker before, not after, they commit to drafting another big. Isaac is the only constant on this roster and he isn’t a “wing” or a playmaker. If you would agree that player doesn’t exist on this roster, why then is anyone advocating to spend lotto picks on complimentary pieces to a team of complimentary pieces.

With that in mind, let’s not repeat what we just watched crash and burn believing that Orlando is an organization that turns around rosters quickly based on their influx of players.

[Knightro]

Kind of getting off topic here. Simmons was always a sure fire #1 pick as a point forward. Embiid became a top 2 Center. Then they filled out their roster with complimentary pieces. It’s only been effective this year.

Orlando needs that playmaker before, not after, they commit to drafting another big. Isaac is the only constant on this roster and he isn’t a “wing” or a playmaker. If you would agree that player doesn’t exist on this roster, why then is anyone advocating to spend lotto picks on complimentary pieces to a team of complimentary pieces.

With that in mind, let’s not repeat what we just watched crash and burn believing that Orlando is an organization that turns around rosters quickly based on their influx of players.

I don't disagree with what you're saying about adding complimentary pieces when you don't have that centerpiece, but I think we have to be realistic about the caliber of player that's going to be available in that 8-11 range too.

It's overwhelmingly likely that any player the Magic picks with that Bulls pick, regardless of whether its a guard, wing, forward or big man, is going to be a complimentary piece. If there were sure fire all-star caliber talents available between 8-11, they would go much higher than that, ya know?

I like other guys besides Sengun too. Guys like Moody, Wagner, Springer are all guys I like and would be comfortable adding to the team, but none of them are guys I would consider anything more than solid complimentary pieces either.

The big swing (fingers crossed) is the Magic's own first round pick which will hopefully be one of the first four selections. That's where they will hopefully land that piece that becomes the rising tide that lifts all boats.

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Kind of getting off topic here. Simmons was always a sure fire #1 pick as a point forward. Embiid became a top 2 Center. Then they filled out their roster with complimentary pieces. It’s only been effective this year.

Orlando needs that playmaker before, not after, they commit to drafting another big. Isaac is the only constant on this roster and he isn’t a “wing” or a playmaker. If you would agree that player doesn’t exist on this roster, why then is anyone advocating to spend lotto picks on complimentary pieces to a team of complimentary pieces.

With that in mind, let’s not repeat what we just watched crash and burn believing that Orlando is an organization that turns around rosters quickly based on their influx of players.

I don't disagree with what you're saying about adding complimentary pieces when you don't have that centerpiece, but I think we have to be realistic about the caliber of player that's going to be available in that 8-11 range too.

It's overwhelmingly likely that any player the Magic picks with that Bulls pick, regardless of whether its a guard, wing, forward or big man, is going to be a complimentary piece. If there were sure fire all-star caliber talents available between 8-11, they would go much higher than that, ya know?

I like other guys besides Sengun too. Guys like Moody, Wagner, Springer are all guys I like and would be comfortable adding to the team, but none of them are guys I would consider anything more than solid complimentary pieces either.

The big swing (fingers crossed) is the Magic's own first round pick which will hopefully be one of the first four selections. That's where they will hopefully land that piece that becomes the rising tide that lifts all boats.

This becomes less of an argument if Orlando lands a top 4 obviously.

If they end up with something like 7-11 on both picks, I’m definitely doubling down on “no bigs” ideology if the goal is to “find” all star caliber talent to build around. The chances they land that elite talent in a big are slim. Even if they did, they are back to square one trying to land that elusive go-to guy in any other capacity.

[Xatticus]

For me Sengun got the potential to score 20 ppg by his 3rd season easy & i woudnt be surprised if he becomes a top 5 boxscore stats player in this draft but i just dont like his player type at all. I dont believe in his def. potential at all. He wont be a liability like Vuc or Kanter & he is really scrappy, intensive & mobile on defense but he wont be a plus player on that end in my opinion. I mean in case Isaac stays healthy it doesnt matter much but i definitely prefer defense over offense at Center.
I'm really really torn on him. I think he is the safest producer outside the top 4-5 but he is my least favorite player type.

I can see us easily draft Mobley when Cade is gone. In case Cade & Green are gone i'm pretty sure we draft him over Suggs to be honest. Its not my ideal scenario too but the defensive potential of a Isaac & Mobley combo is more attractive to me than building a offense around a ''one way'' big again.

+ Next years draft is so big heavy, i prefer adding guards/wings this year.

In case we draft Cade or Green i'm okay with Sengun.

Ehh, he more mobile than Vuc & Kanter because they are 7 footers and he is between 6'9 and 6'10.
But the way he scores isn't really that translatable in nba. He has no outside range, he is more similar to Wendell Carter than Kenter or Vuc who are way more polished i eqipped with bigger bodies.

What's execlly his role in modern offense? Not streach big, not that fast, not that athletic, not rim runner and not as strong passer as somebody like Sabonis? So it's just 6'10( like Wendell) player that occupies same space below rim as Wendell, who won't do anything on his own and who is best used as rolling big ( again, as Wendell) and off ball he is either screening, or wasting space because he won't do anything for your offense outside 10 feet.

At apsolute best he is Domas Sabonis. As realistic outcome, he is very similar player to Wendell

He isn't as polished as 30 and 28-year-old NBA vets? I'm not even going to argue the merits of that position. I just want to highlight the fact that you said it.

He is a better post scorer at this moment than Vucevic has ever been in his life, but we don't like him because he could never be as good at stretching the floor as a guy that hit 0 of 3 3-point shots at Sengun's current age? The very best conceivable outcome for Sengun is a player that was vastly inferior to Sengun at the same age? He'll never be able to pass the ball as well as a guy that had fewer than half as many assists per 40 minutes at the same age?

What he is now is not what he is going to be five years from now. There are no certainties. We're just trying to identify talent. We should be comparing him to the other potential draftees in this draft class.

[basketballRob]

For me Sengun got the potential to score 20 ppg by his 3rd season easy & i woudnt be surprised if he becomes a top 5 boxscore stats player in this draft but i just dont like his player type at all. I dont believe in his def. potential at all. He wont be a liability like Vuc or Kanter & he is really scrappy, intensive & mobile on defense but he wont be a plus player on that end in my opinion. I mean in case Isaac stays healthy it doesnt matter much but i definitely prefer defense over offense at Center.
I'm really really torn on him. I think he is the safest producer outside the top 4-5 but he is my least favorite player type.

I can see us easily draft Mobley when Cade is gone. In case Cade & Green are gone i'm pretty sure we draft him over Suggs to be honest. Its not my ideal scenario too but the defensive potential of a Isaac & Mobley combo is more attractive to me than building a offense around a ''one way'' big again.

+ Next years draft is so big heavy, i prefer adding guards/wings this year.

In case we draft Cade or Green i'm okay with Sengun.

I haven't looked into it much, but what makes Sengun so much better than Bassey?


https://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/players/charles-bassey-1.html

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[basketballRob]

The Bulls could be in the 10th after Sunday.

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[Anti Chalmers]

Didn’t realize bulls are 4-1 in their last 5. I think Bulls will be fine with Vuc and Lavine once they gain some chemistry.

[pepe1991]

For me Sengun got the potential to score 20 ppg by his 3rd season easy & i woudnt be surprised if he becomes a top 5 boxscore stats player in this draft but i just dont like his player type at all. I dont believe in his def. potential at all. He wont be a liability like Vuc or Kanter & he is really scrappy, intensive & mobile on defense but he wont be a plus player on that end in my opinion. I mean in case Isaac stays healthy it doesnt matter much but i definitely prefer defense over offense at Center.
I'm really really torn on him. I think he is the safest producer outside the top 4-5 but he is my least favorite player type.

I can see us easily draft Mobley when Cade is gone. In case Cade & Green are gone i'm pretty sure we draft him over Suggs to be honest. Its not my ideal scenario too but the defensive potential of a Isaac & Mobley combo is more attractive to me than building a offense around a ''one way'' big again.

+ Next years draft is so big heavy, i prefer adding guards/wings this year.

In case we draft Cade or Green i'm okay with Sengun.

Ehh, he more mobile than Vuc & Kanter because they are 7 footers and he is between 6'9 and 6'10.
But the way he scores isn't really that translatable in nba. He has no outside range, he is more similar to Wendell Carter than Kenter or Vuc who are way more polished i eqipped with bigger bodies.

What's execlly his role in modern offense? Not streach big, not that fast, not that athletic, not rim runner and not as strong passer as somebody like Sabonis? So it's just 6'10( like Wendell) player that occupies same space below rim as Wendell, who won't do anything on his own and who is best used as rolling big ( again, as Wendell) and off ball he is either screening, or wasting space because he won't do anything for your offense outside 10 feet.

At apsolute best he is Domas Sabonis. As realistic outcome, he is very similar player to Wendell

He isn't as polished as 30 and 28-year-old NBA vets? I'm not even going to argue the merits of that position. I just want to highlight the fact that you said it.

He is a better post scorer at this moment than Vucevic has ever been in his life, but we don't like him because he could never be as good at stretching the floor as a guy that hit 0 of 3 3-point shots at Sengun's current age? The very best conceivable outcome for Sengun is a player that was vastly inferior to Sengun at the same age? He'll never be able to pass the ball as well as a guy that had fewer than half as many assists per 40 minutes at the same age?

What he is now is not what he is going to be five years from now. There are no certainties. We're just trying to identify talent. We should be comparing him to the other potential draftees in this draft class.

I wanna highlight that i compared him to players that are 25 years old (allstar) and 22 years old center. Sabonis and WCjr. Fact.
Both players entered nba without outside jumpshot, both players years later, still don't have one. Facts. Only facts.

He is a better post scorer at this moment than Vucevic has ever been in his life

One of dummest hot takes ever.
Vuc did play for 10 games in Europe in 2010, averaged 17 ppg, 10 rpg and did shoot some threes ( actually higher clip and higher efficiency than Sengun). So no, if you are going by counting stats to make overarching claim Sengun is "better" post player than Vučević, you are just making fool of yourself. If you are going by eye-test, witch i highly doubt, since you probably never saw Alperen Segun live game in your life, than you again, making fool of yourself because your comment is made from pure fact you disslike Vučević so much that you were in past already making fool of yourself, claiming Bamba is , and i qoute "more talented".
By talent, i assume he is more talented at missing shots and being unable to grasp nba offense or defense.


But back to Sengun. For start, he is playing as PF. In modern age of nba, PFs have to be able to shoot ( he can't) , defend fast wings ( he can't ) and be mobile ( he is not). So what are you projecting is that he will either have to improve his athletic outlook A LOT ( not that easy since he isn't gifted athlete at all ) or that he will learn to shoot ( guy for a season shot 4/21 for 3 ,despite Euro three being shorter distance than nba one ).

There are plenty of postup bigs who didn't or don't work in nba. And Sabonis. Sabonis is very,very good rebounder and terrific passer. If Sengun can't advance his game, you are literally working with Andrew Nicholson type prospect.

Since i had opportunity to watch Sengun play, my experience with him was underwhelming as hell. He simply didn't do anything special, especially knowing how terrible competition was.

Does that mean he is guranteed bust? No. But i don't see alleged star potential. I see very average nba role player. Must like most of this draft outside of few prospects that have allstar potential.

[tiderulz]

Ehh, he more mobile than Vuc & Kanter because they are 7 footers and he is between 6'9 and 6'10.
But the way he scores isn't really that translatable in nba. He has no outside range, he is more similar to Wendell Carter than Kenter or Vuc who are way more polished i eqipped with bigger bodies.

What's execlly his role in modern offense? Not streach big, not that fast, not that athletic, not rim runner and not as strong passer as somebody like Sabonis? So it's just 6'10( like Wendell) player that occupies same space below rim as Wendell, who won't do anything on his own and who is best used as rolling big ( again, as Wendell) and off ball he is either screening, or wasting space because he won't do anything for your offense outside 10 feet.

At apsolute best he is Domas Sabonis. As realistic outcome, he is very similar player to Wendell

He isn't as polished as 30 and 28-year-old NBA vets? I'm not even going to argue the merits of that position. I just want to highlight the fact that you said it.

He is a better post scorer at this moment than Vucevic has ever been in his life, but we don't like him because he could never be as good at stretching the floor as a guy that hit 0 of 3 3-point shots at Sengun's current age? The very best conceivable outcome for Sengun is a player that was vastly inferior to Sengun at the same age? He'll never be able to pass the ball as well as a guy that had fewer than half as many assists per 40 minutes at the same age?

What he is now is not what he is going to be five years from now. There are no certainties. We're just trying to identify talent. We should be comparing him to the other potential draftees in this draft class.

I wanna highlight that i compared him to players that are 25 years old (allstar) and 22 years old center. Sabonis and WCjr. Fact.
Both players entered nba without outside jumpshot, both players years later, still don't have one. Facts. Only facts.

He is a better post scorer at this moment than Vucevic has ever been in his life

One of dummest hot takes ever.
Vuc did play for 10 games in Europe in 2010, averaged 17 ppg, 10 rpg and did shoot some threes ( actually higher clip and higher efficiency than Sengun). So no, if you are going by counting stats to make overarching claim Sengun is "better" post player than Vučević, you are just making fool of yourself. If you are going by eye-test, witch i highly doubt, since you probably never saw Alperen Segun live game in your life, than you again, making fool of yourself because your comment is made from pure fact you disslike Vučević so much that you were in past already making fool of yourself, claiming Bamba is , and i qoute "more talented".
By talent, i assume he is more talented at missing shots and being unable to grasp nba offense or defense.


But back to Sengun. For start, he is playing as PF. In modern age of nba, PFs have to be able to shoot ( he can't) , defend fast wings ( he can't ) and be mobile ( he is not). So what are you projecting is that he will either have to improve his athletic outlook A LOT ( not that easy since he isn't gifted athlete at all ) or that he will learn to shoot ( guy for a season shot 4/21 for 3 ,despite Euro three being shorter distance than nba one ).

There are plenty of postup bigs who didn't or don't work in nba. And Sabonis. Sabonis is very,very good rebounder and terrific passer. If Sengun can't advance his game, you are literally working with Andrew Nicholson type prospect.

Since i had opportunity to watch Sengun play, my experience with him was underwhelming as hell. He simply didn't do anything special, especially knowing how terrible competition was.

Does that mean he is guranteed bust? No. But i don't see alleged star potential. I see very average nba role player. Must like most of this draft outside of few prospects that have allstar potential.

one of the few times lately i agree with you. Im just not seeing it with Sengun.

[Howard Mass]

On Chuma Okeke, I think he will eventually play more 3. I have him slotted as backup PF next year.

As for the salary floor, you can always use the room in between to accumulate some more assets.

I already slotted him in as the starting 3. lol

I would love to see what the combination of ball movement and defense between a lineup of

Fultz/Harris/Chuma/Isaac/Carter would be.

I see Chuma eventually playing the 3. Just not sure if it will be next season. I'm sure we will see that lineup at times next season.

[Howard Mass]

On Chuma Okeke, I think he will eventually play more 3. I have him slotted as backup PF next year.

As for the salary floor, you can always use the room in between to accumulate some more assets.

The wide opinions on Chuma have changed. He showed us that he's more than ready to play starters minutes. Even on nights when he didn't have high scoring numbers, he showed that he could provide value on the floor in other areas. That's his ticket. He hits open 3s, plays an unselfish brand of basketball, makes the right reads and plays tough defense. That's a round peg in a round hole type of fit for us.

The only way I don't see him starting is if we draft Cade or Kuminga. ...and even in Kuminga's case, Chuma will force coach to have to make a tough decision.

I think Chuma can start too.

I've been happy with his selection since The Magic made it.

The question is if he plays more at the 3 next year. He will eventually but will it be then?