Coaching Search: 7/8 Update - Magic to hire Jamahl Mosley per Woj

[Magic#1]

So, Kidd isn't a great human. Has been average as a head coach and potentially causes drama. But he's in the hall of fame. Yeah, that's not what I'm looking for in a head coach of young players. I'd rather have almost anybody else. I even read up a bit on Darvin Ham and would rather have him for a young team.

[OrlandoMagic]

No Kidd please. Just no!

[Nyce_1]

All these rejections of Kidd, it's going to be funny if he's the pick and really does well here.

Those words from Giannis are telling. Unfortunately I don't remember much from kidd's career as coach other than him "spilling" that water on the floor to get a free timeout he didn't have, hahaha.

[RookieStar]

yeah but where does it mention okeke not liking kidd?

Hmmm, this might be an amateur way but it's all I know. Scroll down until you see "BigChum" saying something like : Im gonna pretend I didn't see this. In regards to quoting a report about us(MAgic) interviewing Kidd.

That's why we were discussing if this BigChum is really Okeke or not with the context that BR won't probably post something from a nobody/fake account?

Chuma doesn't go by BigChum on Twitter. The user @cb1115 is an old head around these parts. They used to post here from time to time back during our elite years but haven't seen them post here in quite some time. "Big Chum Energy" is just their Twitter nickname.

Ah alright. Got it.

[RookieStar]

If we hire a head coach that was a former PG in the league, He/She is going to focus on our PG'S on our roster especially Fultz, Hampton and Cole. Jason Kidd as a example can try to train Fultz as much as possible, but our head coach can't keep players healthy, guys like Fultz have to figure out how to stay healthy.

If we hire Becky Hammon, I know she played in the WNBA and I think she was a PG.

The goal should be to hire a head coach that's a former PG that's going to get the most out of Fultz, Hampton and Cole and hope at least 1 of them turns into a superstar.

Dont forget our rookie Cade!!

Also, Giannis really credited him for his developmeny. Physical-wise JI is nearest to him so maybe JI could develop like GA under Kidd as well?

[nymets1]

If we hire a head coach that was a former PG in the league, He/She is going to focus on our PG'S on our roster especially Fultz, Hampton and Cole. Jason Kidd as a example can try to train Fultz as much as possible, but our head coach can't keep players healthy, guys like Fultz have to figure out how to stay healthy.

If we hire Becky Hammon, I know she played in the WNBA and I think she was a PG.

The goal should be to hire a head coach that's a former PG that's going to get the most out of Fultz, Hampton and Cole and hope at least 1 of them turns into a superstar.

Dont forget our rookie Cade!!

Also, Giannis really credited him for his developmeny. Physical-wise JI is nearest to him so maybe JI could develop like GA under Kidd as well?

If we draft Cade or Suggs, Fultz, Hampton or Cole probably gets traded. Doubt all 4 stay.

[Bensational]

The history of the Hammond/Kidd combo isn’t all that great. Treadmill team on both fronts. Even Giannis’ meteoric rise wasn’t enough to make them a 50 win team, but Bud turned that team around in one offseason.

Kidd might be good in a similar role or preparing players for a better coach in the future. Maybe he’s grown as a coach having now been part of a championship team, but I’d say that’s the LeBron/healthy AD effect more than anything.

Kenny Atkinson stands head and shoulders above everyone else to me. He seems to tick all boxes - develops young guys, teaches defense and a modern offense.

[RookieStar]

The history of the Hammond/Kidd combo isn’t all that great. Treadmill team on both fronts. Even Giannis’ meteoric rise wasn’t enough to make them a 50 win team, but Bud turned that team around in one offseason.

Kidd might be good in a similar role or preparing players for a better coach in the future. Maybe he’s grown as a coach having now been part of a championship team, but I’d say that’s the LeBron/healthy AD effect more than anything.

Kenny Atkinson stands head and shoulders above everyone else to me. He seems to tick all boxes - develops young guys, teaches defense and a modern offense.

You had me at modern offense.

[RookieStar]

If we hire a head coach that was a former PG in the league, He/She is going to focus on our PG'S on our roster especially Fultz, Hampton and Cole. Jason Kidd as a example can try to train Fultz as much as possible, but our head coach can't keep players healthy, guys like Fultz have to figure out how to stay healthy.

If we hire Becky Hammon, I know she played in the WNBA and I think she was a PG.

The goal should be to hire a head coach that's a former PG that's going to get the most out of Fultz, Hampton and Cole and hope at least 1 of them turns into a superstar.

Dont forget our rookie Cade!!

Also, Giannis really credited him for his developmeny. Physical-wise JI is nearest to him so maybe JI could develop like GA under Kidd as well?

If we draft Cade or Suggs, Fultz, Hampton or Cole probably gets traded. Doubt all 4 stay.

If its Cade, we will play the 3 spot sometimes 2. Thus Fultz Cole and RJ can fill up the 1-2 spots.

[BlueBlazer]

All these rejections of Kidd, it's going to be funny if he's the pick and really does well here.

I will gladly eat crow if so, lol

[jonbob17]

Dont forget our rookie Cade!!

Also, Giannis really credited him for his developmeny. Physical-wise JI is nearest to him so maybe JI could develop like GA under Kidd as well?

If we draft Cade or Suggs, Fultz, Hampton or Cole probably gets traded. Doubt all 4 stay.

If its Cade, we will play the 3 spot sometimes 2. Thus Fultz Cole and RJ can fill up the 1-2 spots.

Yah, Cade is not a PG that limits who can be on the court with him. You can put a traditional PG next to him or another big wing. Not sure if Suggs is a PG. RJ is almost certainly not, maybe can handle some secondary play maker duties and creation. Probably goes for Cole too, though he may prove himself as a capable lead guard of the 2nd unit.

[VFX]

Vanterpool/Atkinson > Hammon > Kidd

[MasterGMer]

Maybe he’s grown as a coach having now been part of a championship team, but I’d say that’s the LeBron/healthy AD effect more than anything.

Let's trade for AD and LeBron so that Kidd can be their HC. #funny #sarcasm

[Ducklett]

I’d rather take a chance on Billups.

My list is

1) Billups
2) Hammon
3) Kenny A

[MagicFan101]

I still haven’t seen anyone offer a reason to want Kidd other than name recognition or his playing career … neither of which are features of a good NBA coach.

Can we scratch him off the list of serious candidates?

[RookieStar]

I still haven’t seen anyone offer a reason to want Kidd other than name recognition or his playing career … neither of which are features of a good NBA coach.

Can we scratch him off the list of serious candidates?

I think 2 posters already did more or less.
As i understand it

1. development - the given example was Giannis crediting Kidd for making him who he is/was today ( that interview was during his mvp season campaign if im.not.mistaken )

2. pg background coach - as a former elite pg and the fact that our roster would be guard heavy next season, Kidd can hopefully develop them to their full potential.

Thats just how i understand it after readjng this thread.

[Xatticus]

I still haven’t seen anyone offer a reason to want Kidd other than name recognition or his playing career … neither of which are features of a good NBA coach.

Can we scratch him off the list of serious candidates?

No. Because this isn’t a courtesy interview. Consensus isn’t going to matter here. What matters is in the minds of Hammond and Weltman.

I’d say the arguments for Kidd are that he plays the young guys and the young guys in Milwaukee did develop. The negatives are that his teams didn’t seem to benefit in the win column from his guidance and that he has something of a checkered history.

[VFX]

Okay, let’s put aside the KNOWN issues Kidd had with leadership in Brooklyn and the rumored issues he had with leadership (John Hammond) in Milwaukee.

Let’s just talk about Jason Kidd the coach.

What has you guys excited about him other than “hE wAs a StAr Pg!” Yippee! That does not make you a good coach. Also, I don’t care that a young player says nice things when someone shoves a mic in their face.

Talk to me about his play calling, his rotations, his adjustments … what did you see about his actual ability to coach the game of basketball?

Former greats never make good coaches. Ever.

Orlando needs to hire someone that can actually develop young players and have something to prove.

[MagicFan101]

I still haven’t seen anyone offer a reason to want Kidd other than name recognition or his playing career … neither of which are features of a good NBA coach.

Can we scratch him off the list of serious candidates?

I think 2 posters already did more or less.
As i understand it

1. development - the given example was Giannis crediting Kidd for making him who he is/was today ( that interview was during his mvp season campaign if im.not.mistaken )

2. pg background coach - as a former elite pg and the fact that our roster would be guard heavy next season, Kidd can hopefully develop them to their full potential.

Thats just how i understand it after readjng this thread.

1) Every candidate has players who will say nice things about this. This doesn’t impress me.

2) We aren’t looking to fill a roster spot at PG, we are hiring a coach. Talk to me about his ability to coach PGs. Just because you were a PG doesn’t mean you can teach or coach. His track record isn’t impress so far. Why should we be the ones to give him yet another try?

[Knightro]

Kidd isn't my first choice, but I'm not sure he's as bad as people think given the Magic's roster construction.

Someone pointed it out earlier in the thread. When Kidd got to Milwaukee he immediately implemented this hyper aggressive defensive scheme where the Bucks would overload the strong side of the floor and often go so far as to get three defenders in a ball handlers line of sight in pick and roll an effort to force those players to throw safe passes back to the top of the key or try and throw skip passes.

What the Bucks were ultimately banking on was creating turnovers, but also their aggressiveness and their length causing poor, inaccurate passes when they didn't force a turnover. These inaccurate passes would in turn would allow the Bucks players, who would usually be out of position because of the overly aggressive help defense, enough time to get back into position to contest jumpers.

And in the first year, it really worked! The Bucks were top 5 in defense in 2015 just a year after finishing dead last.

But the league quickly adjusted to the gimmick and the Bucks were really poor defensively the next three years because of how many corner threes they ended up giving up.

I wonder if he would look to implement a similar defensive scheme or if he would go with something more conservative and traditional.

As far as his strengths...

I don't think you can say that Kidd failed to develop players in Milwaukee. As Xatticus said, Kidd really played his young guys a ton in Milwaukee and multiple guys really came into their own under him. Giannis played a lot and got better. Middleton played a lot and got better. Brogdon played a lot and got better. Parker unfortunately got hurt, but he played a lot and the case could be made he was getting better (20.1 PPG on above average .563 TS%, 2.1 OBPM) before the second ACL tear. None of these guys were high picks outside of Parker and none of them were necessarily lighting the world on fire before Kidd got there. He gave them the runway to improve their games and they did.

And look, maybe Giannis was going to become Giannis no matter who his coach was, but Antetokounmpo was really not very good as a rookie and Kidd immediately played him 2500+ minutes in Year 2 as a 19 year old and 2800+ minutes in year 3 as a 20 year old, putting the ball in his hands a lot.

Same thing with Middleton. The year before Kidd arrived Middleton was a 12 PPG guy. Good shooter, but not much else going on really. Kidd immediately put the ball in his hands a lot more and ultimately he improved a lot over Kidd's tenure.

Kidd is also respected (although not necessarily loved) by a lot of NBA players because he played in the league for a long time at an extremely high level, including a championship as a player, and has that player's mentality that guys gravitate towards. That level of NBA cache gets guys to buy in, at least at first.