Official Speculation Thread: Growth Of Young Players

[thelead]

No reason for fans to go to the games. Just don’t go until we get some **** answers

Good Call...I'll shred my $1000 tickets for tonight. Hope it helps

[meatwad4343]

I called this when Paulo first got injured, anything day to day on this team turns into a month and anything week to week they miss half the year. I guess we're just flat tanking and don't care what people think but I'd rather see these guys play. Tbh don't expect Paulo or Wendell back anytime soon. Or anyone really

[MagicStarwipe]

I called this when Paulo first got injured, anything day to day on this team turns into a month and anything week to week they miss half the year. I guess we're just flat tanking and don't care what people think but I'd rather see these guys play. Tbh don't expect Paulo or Wendell back anytime soon. Or anyone really

Well if they make Paolo sit out so many games that he doesn't even win ROTY I don't think he'll be very happy. Why does Franz always play no matter what? Does he just hide his minor injuries from them so they don't sit him out for half the year?

[flying_mollusk]

The thing I find confusing is you don’t really see THAT much pushback from the players. Yes minor comments, but nothing serious. Nothing from agents either. These are guys that want to play and being kept off the court could cost some of them money. (Someone like Cole wants to be a star). Even if it doesn’t cost them money, I’m sure their competitive juices are flowing.

I think at worse some players might be on board like SGA is in OKC.

But if I had to give them the benefit of the doubt, and using Occam’s razor, I’d say they are intentionally operating on the conservative end of every medical assessment. If we aren’t competitive, no need to rush a guy back unless 100%…even 90% is not enough. This might be the legacy of Grant Hill…or even Issac.

The exception seems to be Suggs, who came back relatively quickly from a bad injury. Maybe value in evaluating and development? I don’t know.

But I’m frustrated too with the lack of clarity.

[SOUL]

LaMelo was out weeks with an ankle sprain and just re-sprained it tonight and got hurt again.

I'm sure most of the injuries are legit, the main annoying part is that there is never a strict timetable.

[PrimeThyme]

The thing I find confusing is you don’t really see THAT much pushback from the players. Yes minor comments, but nothing serious.

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It's finally starting. No player or agent is going to call Weltman out directly, but players are starting to see through his bull too.

[flying_mollusk]

The thing I find confusing is you don’t really see THAT much pushback from the players. Yes minor comments, but nothing serious.

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It's finally starting. No player or agent is going to call Weltman out directly, but players are starting to see through his bull too.

You may be right that this is the start. But even then there hasn’t been anything direct. It could be an anonymous player or agent, and a leak to national media (so access doesn’t matter). Or even a medical professional. It’s hard to keep such a conspiracy going unless everyone is an active participant.

But if anything came out that we are telling players not to play even though fully cleared medically, that would be a pretty big scandal even for a small market like Orlando.

[Statlanta]

The contract extension Martins/DeVos family gave management was uncalled for given the lack of progression management has done.

They got to the playoffs based on Rob Hennigan's players. Paid players who never play and draft players who can't stay on the court and are ineffectual when they are on the court.

[jvdas]

The thing I find confusing is you don’t really see THAT much pushback from the players. Yes minor comments, but nothing serious.

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It's finally starting. No player or agent is going to call Weltman out directly, but players are starting to see through his bull too.

You may be right that this is the start. But even then there hasn’t been anything direct. It could be an anonymous player or agent, and a leak to national media (so access doesn’t matter). Or even a medical professional. It’s hard to keep such a conspiracy going unless everyone is an active participant.

But if anything came out that we are telling players not to play even though fully cleared medically, that would be a pretty big scandal even for a small market like Orlando.

true.

but it seems obvious that they definitely hold them out longer then necessary. for years injuries on our key players seem to happen way too frequentland then they’re gone for months.

no you have that suggs quote, add in the informations we gathered on both isaac and fultz who said they would be ready to play at least 10 minutes but being actively hold out to get in ‘game shape’. don’t start talking about m. wagner which had an ankle sprain in august and is jumping up and down the sidelines.

orlando will only stop this if a) players start calling for playtime or b) the nba investigates our season ending injuries year after year.

[meatwad4343]

I called this when Paulo first got injured, anything day to day on this team turns into a month and anything week to week they miss half the year. I guess we're just flat tanking and don't care what people think but I'd rather see these guys play. Tbh don't expect Paulo or Wendell back anytime soon. Or anyone really

Well if they make Paolo sit out so many games that he doesn't even win ROTY I don't think he'll be very happy. Why does Franz always play no matter what? Does he just hide his minor injuries from them so they don't sit him out for half the year?

Probably doesn't say anything, with how this team is operating now if you stub your toe you'll probably sit for a month

[pepe1991]

I called this when Paulo first got injured, anything day to day on this team turns into a month and anything week to week they miss half the year. I guess we're just flat tanking and don't care what people think but I'd rather see these guys play. Tbh don't expect Paulo or Wendell back anytime soon. Or anyone really

Well if they make Paolo sit out so many games that he doesn't even win ROTY I don't think he'll be very happy. Why does Franz always play no matter what? Does he just hide his minor injuries from them so they don't sit him out for half the year?

Probably doesn't say anything, with how this team is operating now if you stub your toe you'll probably sit for a month

Fultz got hurt , allegedly, around 22-25th september . So, we are close to 2 months recovery period

Pro athlete recover time for torn meniscus is 4-6 weeks. Harris is now in week 11th

Pro athlete recovers from ACL tear in 11-14 months. Soccer players have much stronger legs, so some push back to even 7-10 months. Jonathan Isaac is out for 28th month.

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[meatwad4343]

Well if they make Paolo sit out so many games that he doesn't even win ROTY I don't think he'll be very happy. Why does Franz always play no matter what? Does he just hide his minor injuries from them so they don't sit him out for half the year?

Probably doesn't say anything, with how this team is operating now if you stub your toe you'll probably sit for a month

Fultz got hurt , allegedly, around 22-25th september . So, we are close to 2 months recovery period

Pro athlete recover time for torn meniscus is 4-6 weeks. Harris is now in week 11th

Pro athlete recovers from ACL tear in 11-14 months. Soccer players have much stronger legs, so some push back to even 7-10 months. Jonathan Isaac is out for 28th month.

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The players can't be happy with this can they? I feel like this might boil over and they will mutiny against this front office, these guys know they are ready to play but mysteriously are still out. Fultz and Issac said they'd have been back already if it was up to them and Suggs saying today he won't miss more games if he doesn't have to. It's sketchy and I wouldn't be surprised if the league looks into this at some point, especially if Paulo and wcj day to day injuries stretch on and on

[pepe1991]

Probably doesn't say anything, with how this team is operating now if you stub your toe you'll probably sit for a month

Fultz got hurt , allegedly, around 22-25th september . So, we are close to 2 months recovery period

Pro athlete recover time for torn meniscus is 4-6 weeks. Harris is now in week 11th

Pro athlete recovers from ACL tear in 11-14 months. Soccer players have much stronger legs, so some push back to even 7-10 months. Jonathan Isaac is out for 28th month.

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The players can't be happy with this can they? I feel like this might boil over and they will mutiny against this front office, these guys know they are ready to play but mysteriously are still out. Fultz and Issac said they'd have been back already if it was up to them and Suggs saying today he won't miss more games if he doesn't have to. It's sketchy and I wouldn't be surprised if the league looks into this at some point, especially if Paulo and wcj day to day injuries stretch on and on

It will probably reach boiling point if some player leaves team and during his contract year he is sidelined for BS reasons and it impacts his contract.

[j_n]

LaMelo was out weeks with an ankle sprain and just re-sprained it tonight and got hurt again.

I'm sure most of the injuries are legit, the main annoying part is that there is never a strict timetable.

This, I probably had over a dozen ankle injuries over the years, most heal within a week or two, one of them took over 6 months, and re sprain is always possible when you return too early.

So I'm not saying its impossible that Paolo's healing process is taking longer than expected, but given this FO and its history of prolonging injuries, they don't get the benefit of the doubt.

[SOUL]

Turns out we actually do guard the three, put teams are still hitting it at insane rates some games.

[JF5]

The thing I find confusing is you don’t really see THAT much pushback from the players. Yes minor comments, but nothing serious.

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It's finally starting. No player or agent is going to call Weltman out directly, but players are starting to see through his bull too.

This is absolutely ridiculous... The Agents ARENT going to talk because they know in most circumstances teams would just dump these chronically injured players.

Fultz, Issac, and Bol would all be potentially out of the league if the Magic didn't give them x-amount of time over 2-3 years to rehab.

Also, this does 2 things for the organization. This shows that the team really cares about its players and to maximize their long term when it comes to lengthening their NBA careers. Also, it entices other players/free-agents to want to come here when it comes how far they're willing to accommodate their players without betraying their trust.

[The-Stallion70]

Where the hell is Paolo Banchero? This kid is a stud I want to see him out there

[NavalAviator94]

Turns out we actually do guard the three, put teams are still hitting it at insane rates some games.

The one thing I've noticed watching the teams we play around the league is how good their 3 point shooting is. We have so far to go in comparison.

[swarlesbarkley]

The thing I find confusing is you don’t really see THAT much pushback from the players. Yes minor comments, but nothing serious.

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It's finally starting. No player or agent is going to call Weltman out directly, but players are starting to see through his bull too.

Yep. It's 100% to the detriment of our young players to sit out when they are healthy. They miss valuable reps, miss building chemistry, and essentially help the team potentially draft their replacement.

[pepe1991]

Turns out we actually do guard the three, put teams are still hitting it at insane rates some games.

This is flat out false

The Magic are currently conceding 39.1 three-point attempts per contest, the third-most league-wide and a whopping 10.3 looks ahead of the NBA’s stingiest (Dallas, 28.8). In addition to giving up these shots the Magic are also seeing the opposition cash them in at a slightly above-average rate, with Orlando’s opponents shooting 35.6% from deep and piling up 41.7 points on 13.9 makes per game. As it stands there is only one team currently giving up more baskets from beyond the arc on a nightly basis. It’s a lot of shots to allow from deep, particularly when one factors in the average pace at which the team’s games are played.
The most worrying aspect of the shot profile being given up is that an outsized chunk of these long-range looks are coming with scant defensive attention. Per-game the Magic’s opponents are currently getting up 17.5 three-point attempts with the closest defender tracked as between four to six feet away, the highest number across the league. In addition, they also cede 19.0 attempts each night that are considered to be wide open (6+ feet from defender), a figure only eclipsed by three other teams. Add these together and it becomes apparent just how clean the average look is against Orlando.

Digging further into these shooting numbers is a mixed bag. It’s worth noting that of the wide-open attempts across the league, only one team has seen a higher percentage of these drop for their opponents than the Magic, with 42.5% finding the bottom of the basket. There’s cause for optimism, certainly, that this number will experience some positive regression – that’s good! However, it’s a hope that is tempered by the contrasting fact that Orlando’s opposition is currently only converting 29.5% of their open three-pointers (4-6 feet), the second most fortunate figure league-wide – that’s bad! Let’s call it the duality of the frozen yogurt.

Not only that Magic don't guard threes well, they are also lucky as opponents keep brick open shots